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Violent Crime Rises And Falls With Black Population


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2014 Jul 26, 12:38pm   100,631 views  182 comments

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http://www.ronunz.org/2013/07/20/race-and-crime-in-america/

The noted science fiction writer Philip K. Dick once declared that Reality is what continues to exist whether you believe in it or not. Such an observation should be kept in mind when we consider some of the touchier aspects of American society. Recall the notorious case of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, whose 1965 report on the terrible deterioration in the condition of the black American family aroused such a firestorm of denunciation and outrage in liberal circles that the topic was rendered totally radioactive for the better part of a generation. Eventually the continuing deterioration reached such massive proportions that...

It's not just poverty. Poor Hispanics do not commit crime at nearly the same rate as similarly poor blacks.

#crime

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48   curious2   2014 Jul 27, 7:24am  

bgamall4 says

That wish was directed to Bankster.

I have a simpler suggestion for Bankster:

The Original Bankster says

new homosexual norms

Let's buy him a one-way ticket to a country that shares his opinion on this topic: Uganda. He can see first hand how the policies he advocates exacerbate the spread of HIV and AIDS, while living among people who share his policy views and intellect. The fact that almost all of them are black shouldn't bother him at all, if he isn't racist. He and the Ugandans can believe in their ignorance of the fact that same-sex couples have been getting married for thousands of years. Marriage is just reality, i.e. what continues to exist (and occur) when people stop believing in Bankser's fiction. Clearly, Bankster must think Ugandans smarter than we are, since Ugandans agree with Bankster, and he will be happier living among them.

49   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 27, 7:30am  

wth are you talking about?

pronouncing my views equivalent with Uganda doesnt make it so.

50   curious2   2014 Jul 27, 7:33am  

The Original Bankster says

wth are you talking about?

pronouncing my views equivalent with Uganda doesnt make it so.

OK, please explain how your views on marriage, for example, differ from Ugandan policy? You are quite right that their HIV rate is an order of magnitude higher than ours, in fact I would add that the entire Ugandan population has a higher rate of HIV than even "high risk" Americans.

51   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 27, 7:37am  

what if fucks name are you talking about you babbling idiot?

52   curious2   2014 Jul 27, 7:39am  

Bankster, I asked a simple question: "please explain how your views on marriage, for example, differ from Ugandan policy?"

If you can't understand the question, then perhaps you should re-examine who is the "babbling idiot" here.

If you look at the countries around the world that have marriage equality, they have Christian majorities, and the majority ethnic group in each country is either white or Hispanic. The driving themes appear to be equal dignity and family values.

If you look at the crime statistics described in the OP, they reflect largely unintended consequences from the war on poverty and the war on drugs. For example, the Pruitt-Igoe projects fell victim to both. The newly constructed housing, of much better quality than what it replaced, was open only to unmarried women and their children; the fathers were required to leave. The result was a culture physically dominated by juvenile males, many of whom made quick cash by illegally dealing drugs, taking advantage of the huge markups enabled by drug prohibition. Another well intentioned policy, setting rents as a % of (legal) income, exacerbated the trend: drug dealers and prostitutes declared zero income and got welfare payments and subsidized rent, while the law abiding and legally employed found it cheaper to move away. A growing issue in more recent decades is the overmedicated CHIP population, suffering chemical vivisection with drug combinations that have never been tested and that inflict lifelong side effects by the teenage years. The policies continue because they are very lucrative to certain lobbyists, e.g. the "drug war" enriches the prison-industrial complex. These might not be the only factors, but they cannot be ignored.

53   zzyzzx   2014 Jul 28, 12:10am  

The Original Bankster says

if you have any question as to the nature of black people, simple look at the places that are dominated by blacks. There is continent for instanced called Africa that has scarcely reached the level of development of medieval Europe

Have they invented the wheel in Africa yet?

54   monkframe   2014 Jul 28, 12:32am  

zzyzzx says

The Original Bankster says

if you have any question as to the nature of black people, simple look at the places that are dominated by blacks. There is continent for instanced called Africa that has scarcely reached the level of development of medieval Europe

Have they invented the wheel in Africa yet?

No dude, you're supposed to say: "It's all Obama's fault!"

55   John Bailo   2014 Jul 28, 12:36am  

wave9x says

John Bailo, it is quite easy for you

I live in one of the most multicultural zipcodes in America.

56   zzyzzx   2014 Jul 28, 12:54am  

Violent Crime Rises And Falls With Black Population

57   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 1:13am  

The Original Bankster says

"liberals love black people as long as they dont have to smell them."

http://www.youtube.com/embed/owGykVbfgUE

58   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 1:17am  

curious2 says

The Original Bankster says

wth are you talking about?

pronouncing my views equivalent with Uganda doesnt make it so.

OK, please explain how your views on marriage, for example, differ from Ugandan policy?

The Original Bankster says

what if fucks name are you talking about you babbling idiot?

That's Bankster's way of avoiding a question for which he has no answer except, "Yep, you caught me. I'm a hypocrite.".

59   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 1:17am  

zzyzzx says

Have they invented the wheel in Africa yet?

No. Apple has a patent on round corners and is preventing anyone else from using them.

60   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 1:55am  

Reality trumps political ideology. The statistics in the article are mostly good, but with a few caveats.

1. Incarceration by race is not a valid indication of crime because most of the prison population are in for drug use, which does not vary between whites and blacks, but for which blacks are grossly disproportionately prosecuted and sentenced. This effect is multiplied by the revolving door of probation and parole, which is designed to keep repeat business for the prison industry rather than to rehabilitate.

2. The article talks about violent crime, which certainly is the worst, but not only crime. If we counted all the financial crime, which isn't even prosecuted, I would be surprised if whites didn't commit the majority of crimes by quite a bit. That's not to say whites are inherently more criminal, but the fact is that those working in white-collar financial jobs have far more opportunity and far less fear of being prosecuted. Hell, the typical person in the financial industry probably commits several felonies a day in the course of his job and its expected that he does or he's fired. The typical poor black isn't committing several felonies a day.

3. The statistics don't account for poverty. This causes an exaggerated difference between the ethnic groups. To compare apples to apples, per capita crime by income bracket should be shown.

That said, the evidence does show that the poor African American urban population is more violent than other poor ethnic urban populations. The question is why?

I think it's pretty obvious the problem lies with culture, not genetics. I believe this is most likely the result of segregation, and we are still paying for that mistake. Had America fully integrated the African American population into the mainstream population, like it did with other ethnic groups, after the Civil War, we would not have this problem today.

Instead, American society refused to integrate blacks for over 100 years. As a result, they had to create their own culture, and that culture was based on the complete lack of hope of getting out of poverty. As a result, males in the culture have less to lose and therefore take greater risks and use violence to rise to the top of the social hierarchy.

The only way to solve this problem is to address both the inequality of economic opportunity and the lingering effects of segregation. This problem is a symptom of economic segregation and inter-generational poverty. Gangs and youth crime flourish in places where the young do not believe they can achieve the American dream of financial success, a fully paid off house, a good career, and a nice neighborhood.

Stop inter-generational poverty and the absurd degree of wealth disparity, and the culture that feeds violent crime will change.

61   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 28, 2:11am  

blaming Jews was exactly what Hitler did, bgamall. Did you know that pre-Nazi Germany was basically the haven for liberal ideas in Europe? Most of Californian notions of liberal values can be traced to Weimar Germany and the Frankfurt School.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/F5GVskqpyS8

62   anonymous   2014 Jul 28, 2:17am  

Call it Crazy says

Philip K. Dick once declared that “Reality is what continues to exist whether you believe in it or not.”

That should be the header here at Patnet!!

John Bailo says

foxmannumber1 says

The most successful coaches are White.

What?

He was talking about basketball,,,so you posted an image of a black football coach that tookover a perennial playoff team and made them shittier by the year. Lol

63   foxmannumber1   2014 Jul 28, 2:26am  

1. Most blacks are in jail for a conviction of drug possession with intent to distribute, not for drug usage. However, 1 harsh drug conviction does not mean that's all they did. There are always multiple charges during the arrest of a typical black. Attempted murder, robbery, assault, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon as well as the drug possession are typical. The black is guilty of it all. The black is then offered a "deal":
Please guilty to the drug charges, receive the maximum sentence, and all the violent crimes disappear. They always take the plea because black criminals are not very smart and there's plenty of evidence of guilty. The criminal is then locked up which helps society, and the violent crimes don't appear on an official crime report which helps politicians. The general public can continue to feel safe.

2. Everyone knows blacks are more violent. Even blacks admit this. Please stay on topic and not talk about financial crimes.

3. There's been multiple studies that show that poverty does not account for crime. It is the behavior of a psychopath to hurt someone because you are poor. The average black would most likely qualify as a psychopath using the traditional definition. Blacks behave in the same degenerate way in Africa and the USA.

Genetics create race. Race creates culture. If you think that sub Saharan Africans living on an island could have created Tokyo, you're probably wrong.

The reasons for black behavior boils down to 2 causes:
1. White people, living or dead, are responsible for black behavior.
2. Black people are responsible for black behavior.

One is logical, the other is not. I believe that every person is responsible for their own actions.

64   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 2:33am  

foxmannumber1 says

One is logical, the other is not. I believe that every person is responsible for their own actions.

Here's where your analysis failed. For 300 years, blacks were enslaved by whites. It was not as if black's slave behavior was their own choice.

For the next 100 years, blacks were denied basic human, civil, economic, social, and political rights. As a result they were forced into abject poverty. Again, the behavior of not being able to engage in businesses to uplift themselves economically was not a choice of the African American. It was forced upon them.

Today, the War on Drugs, which has no socially redeeming value, ensures that young blacks that engage in the same personal drug usage that whites engage in are given criminal history and prison time that ensures they cannot get good jobs and thus are impoverished for life.

Furthermore, since education is married to geography, African American children are placed in a school system that inevitably fails because of all the socio-economic problems forced onto it.

You take a black child and put him in a rich neighborhood with a good school and he'll succeed. You take a white child and put him in the ghetto with bad schools and he'll join a gang. Environment shapes who people are, so blaming the individual who are forced into bad environments is just plain foolish. It is the system that must be changed to allow people the opportunity to succeed.

65   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 28, 2:37am  

foxmannumber1 says

2. Everyone knows blacks are more violent. Even blacks admit this. Please stay on topic and not talk about financial crimes.

if you were to ask a random black person who would they want to share an island with- 20 white people or 20 black people, they would certainly choose white people. Black people are violent- it is an empirical fact.

66   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 2:45am  

foxmannumber1 says

Genetics create race. Race creates culture.

Race is purely a human construct. It has no meaning in nature. Genes flow throughout the species. Perfect example:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/b-1dI5yzQMc

Here are two strong guys -- way stronger than anyone posting on Patrick.net -- and one's white and the other's black. Strength is mostly genetic. Yes, they both had to work out for those muscles, but even if I worked out as much as they did, I would not look like that. Genetics is the primary determination of strength.

Yet, there are strong and weak people in all ethnic groups. Clearly the genes for strength cross the artificial racial boundaries that mankind draws.

The same goes for dexterity, agility, intelligence, and musical ability. All of these things are largely genetic, yet no ethnic group has a monopoly on them. This is a logical consequence of gene flow. Two population groups don't even have to interbred for genes to flow between them. One or more other populations can act as intermediary channels.

Hence, claiming that blacks have "criminal genes" without being able to point to specific genes and without evidence is nothing more than racism and junk science.

As for the statement, "race creates culture", that is pure bullshit. Culture is created by history. America had plenty of opportunities to integrate African Americans fully into society but instead tried to isolate them. Now the same people who bitched and moaned about letting blacks into white American culture are the ones bitching and moaning that African American have a different culture. They created the very problem they are complaining about.

No human society has ever existed without culture. There is no indication that a human society could avoid the creation of a culture, and some would argue that by definition that's impossible. So by denying blacks the possibility of integrating into mainstream culture, the racists forced blacks to create a different culture that classes with ours. Until there is full integration, this problem will continue. I.e., if you don't like ghetto culture, then let the blacks join your country club. Ghettos exist only because of isolationism.

67   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 28, 2:56am  

Dan is using a movie to back up his claims.

not surprising at all. you can tell that eg. bgamall actually BELIEVES he's a good person because he probably endless TV which reinforces his vague concepts of ethics that do not hold up to reason.

68   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 3:00am  

The Original Bankster says

Dan is using a movie to back up his claims.

And that's relevant how? Are you suggesting that those muscles are CGI?

By the way, video evidence is pretty damning. Granted it's not the same as Fox's pull shit out of your ass "evidence", but we liberals prefer objectively observable reality over fantasy facts.

69   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 3:01am  

The Original Bankster says

reinforces his vague concepts of ethics that do not hold up to reason

And those "vague concepts" would be what?

70   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 3:02am  

The Original Bankster is the kind of white that is embarrassing to the rest of us. He's not representative of western culture or European heritage. He's this kind of white.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/yj4LnfkdJDM

71   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 28, 3:07am  

Dan do you have any other documentaries to share with us?

72   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 28, 3:13am  

Dan and bgamall love black people. they love errybody. vote liberal today.

73   zzyzzx   2014 Jul 28, 3:17am  

More importantly, exactly how can we get the black population to fall?

75   Shaman   2014 Jul 28, 3:34am  

John Bailo says

wave9x says

John Bailo, it is quite easy for you

I live in one of the most multicultural zipcodes in America.

White, black, Latino, Asian, it's all goin to be irrelevant in a few decades. The rate of interracial marriage has ballooned, crossing the 20% mark in California for new marriages, and nearly the 40% mark in Nevada. It's over 15% in every multicultural state not dominated by white people, and it's much higher in some areas. The future American will likely be a philiblacktino-ese kid with the best of all races sewn into his genes. Purebreds will be increasingly rare and probably treated with some measure of suspicion. (Are they racists?). By 2050 this entire discussion will be moot.

76   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 28, 3:41am  

Bitcoins arent the future? says

zzyzzx says

More importantly, exactly how can we get the black population to fall?

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/

If you don't believe me:

http://newsone.com/2919457/dept-of-health-nyc-black-women-abortions/

Margeret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood was an outspoken Eugenicist.

77   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 3:48am  

The Original Bankster says

Dan and bgamall love black people. they love errybody. vote liberal today.

That's bullshit. I believe in equality. To me the whole race war thing is juvenile. I don't consider myself white. I consider myself a robot trapped in an organic body, and as soon as Skynet comes online, I'm upgrading to a T-800 endoskeleton and fuck humanity.

The point is, I believe in equality of rights for all sentient beings. Race, gender, sexual orientation, and nationality is all stupid, arbitrary distinctions. What matters is intelligence, rationality, and ethics.

As for blacks voting liberal, that's complete bullshit. Most of California's Black Voters Backed Gay Marriage Ban Voting liberal, my ass.

However, your comments do explain why conservatives hate blacks so much. After 400 years of oppression, blacks vote against the conservative party (formerly Dixiecrats, now Republicans).

There are two parties in this country. The Republicans are batshit crazy. Everyone else goes into the Democratic Party even though they don't agree with 80% of the other people in it. If all conservatives just ceased to exist, the Republican party would too and the Democratic Party would fragment into several parties each strongly opposing each other.

Democrats are not homogenous like Republicans. The only thing that makes one a Democrat is the realization that Republicans would cause the extinction of our species if left uncontrolled.

78   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 28, 3:50am  

Dan8267 says

As for blacks voting liberal, that's complete bullshit. Most of California's Black Voters Backed Gay Marriage Ban Voting liberal, my ass

yes it's a fact liberals do not agree with each other and the only people who benefit from all this are opportunistic elitist californians who drive convertibles and speculate in real estate.

79   Tenpoundbass   2014 Jul 28, 3:55am  

The Original Bankster says

Do you ever see blacks living in Asian countries? very rare.

The First American defector was a black man who defected to North Korea.

80   zzyzzx   2014 Jul 28, 3:58am  

The Original Bankster says

looking white is now attainable with medical technology!

Obligatory:

82   indigenous   2014 Jul 28, 4:37am  

123 posts yet no-one states the truth, the problems associated with blacks are caused by the government.

83   John Bailo   2014 Jul 28, 4:57am  

indigenous says

caused by the government.

just saw a movie about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVKLCRnb51U

84   The Original Bankster   2014 Jul 28, 5:02am  

"I dont hate Jews... I just think their country should be completely wiped off the map."

85   Ceffer   2014 Jul 28, 6:54am  

Black people invented violence. I learned this watching episodes of "The Tudors".

86   zzyzzx   2014 Jul 28, 8:18am  

indigenous says

123 posts yet no-one states the truth, the problems associated with blacks are caused by the government.

It's all Obama's fault!!!

87   Dan8267   2014 Jul 28, 9:00am  

bgamall4 says

I don't blame Jews you pitiful excuse for a human being.

Well that's not at all a racist comment.

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