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corntrollio says

This is like saying there are no Mexicans in Texas.

Let me clarify. The so-called Palestinian people do not come from some long-existing Palestinian culture. They were created after WWII as a response to the creation of Israel. It's not like there's a centuries-old Palestinian people who happen to occupy the land where Israel is located. Hell, if the Jews never immigrated to the Middle East, there would be no Palestinian people or movement for a Palestinian state.

That said, both sides are engaging in a horrific game of tit-for-tat. The only solution is to separate them, and the only practical way to do that is to move Israel. I think it's worth the expense doing so, and I'm including the moving the land itself.

The actual land area Israel has and/or wants is miniscule compared to the total land area of the Middle East. We have the technology to move that land someplace else, perhaps a nice island off the coast of Spain or to Texas. We can even offer a carrot in the form of much more land.

And if it's the dirt that's holy, then move the dirt along with the buildings. It would be less expensive than another century of warfare. Hell, Dubai builds land all the time.

corntrollio says

In addition, your nonsense about the PLO ignores the fact that there are Palestinian Christians who identify as Palestinian (some of which live in the US).

Never seen a Christian Palestinian who became a suicide bomber. Why is it always the radical Muslims?

bgamall4 says

corntrollio says

I reiterate that you are extremely far out of the mainstream about this and bordering on bgamall4-level arguments here.

I am making legitimate arguments here and this backs me up:

No you are not. Too many of your posts just portray hate.

bgamall4 says

Are you such a fool that you cannot see the ongoing crime?

Look, we get it. You hate Jews. You really, really hate them.

But look at it from the side of everyone else in the world who's not buried in this conflict. Both sides look like assholes. Yeah, we could argue about which side is worse, but that's pointless. Both sides are wrong and neither side is going to live with the other. At this point assigning blame serves no purpose. We need solutions not people whining about how bad the other side is.

Dan8267 says

bgamall4 says

Are you such a fool that you cannot see the ongoing crime?

Look, we get it. You hate Jews. You really, really hate them.

But look at it from the side of everyone else in the world who's not buried in this conflict. Both sides look like assholes. Yeah, we could argue about which side is worse, but that's pointless. Both sides are wrong and neither side is going to live with the other. At this point assigning blame serves no purpose. We need solutions not people whining about how bad the other side is.

What would be your solution?

bgamall4 says

I know you don't believe in the God who will judge your sorry ass, Dan.

If your god judges me to be worthy of your hell, then he's an evil god and all bets are off.

If there were a supreme, all-knowing, all-good god then that god would be highly appreciative of skeptical atheists like myself. After all, it would be trivially easy for such a god to unquestionably reveal himself, end the Middle East conflict, and bring unity to mankind. So if he exists but hasn't done that, he must not want us to believe in him.

Besides, when I advocate morality, I'm doing so for the sake of all mankind, not for some selfish reward or to avoid some punishment. That makes me far more moral than any faithful could possibly be. Doing the right thing for selfish motives is not morality.

bgamall4 says

In other words, Dan, the plan was to boot the Palestinians out from the start. It is a crime Dan. It is indefensible.

I never hear you speak out against suicide bombers killing kids in pizza parlors.
That is even less defensible.

Strategist says

What would be your solution?

We have the technology to physically move the buildings and the dirt that's "holy". It's even more practical than endless war. Worldwide shipping capacity is so large, no one even knows how much tonnage is shipped every year. It's freaking huge!

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

What would be your solution?

We have the technology to physically move the buildings and the dirt that's "holy". It's even more practical than endless war. Worldwide shipping capacity is so large, no one even knows how much tonnage is shipped every year. It's freaking huge!

The holy sites are not just the buildings, but the ground underneath it too.
We need a better solution if there is one.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

I never hear you speak out against suicide bombers killing kids in pizza parlors.


That is even less defensible.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But, the Palestinians have been oppressed as a people for decades, many decades. It is approaching a century of oppression. It is a crime the Zionists have committed for almost a century.

Speaking out against just one wrong does not make a "right" either. Where is your sense of fairness and balance?

bgamall4 says

As Chomsky writes in his Peace in the Middle East?, “In the American Jewish community, there is little willingness to face the fact that the Palestinian Arabs have suffered a monstrous historical injustice, whatever one may think of the competing claims. Until this is recognized, discussion of the Middle East crisis cannot even begin.”

Bull shit. Jews have faced a greater injustice throughout history. They deserve a homeland.

bgamall4 says

He will judge you for calling him evil too.

Well that sounds petty, especially since any intelligent being would know I was talking about a hypothetical god that would toss someone into hell for not believing in his existence. Is your god truly that petty?

bgamall4 says

The Palestinians do not want to be shipped from Palestine

Honey, please read my statements before jumping onto your delusions. I didn't advocate shipping Palestinians in cargo holds. I advocated moving the state of Israel to someplace else, which is exactly what you want. The Israelis can fly first class rather than in cargo holds.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

Speaking out against just one wrong does not make a "right" either. Where is your sense of fairness and balance?

The occupier always bears more responsibility than the occupied. You know that. Where is your sense of fair play? Where is your brain?

And they are keeping up with their responsibility of avoiding the deaths of civilians, and going after Hamas...a treacherous, baby killing terrorist machine.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

And they are keeping up with their responsibility of avoiding the deaths of civilians, and going after Hamas...a treacherous, baby killing terrorist machine.

That must be why 1000 civilians have died. And btw, Strategist, the two state solution must come before this killing. That is the crime. It is a crime everytime an Israeli soldier gets up in the morning.

Hamas does not want a 2 state solution. They want to exterminate Jews and Israel. Other Islamists want to exterminate pretty much everyone else.
I don't understand how you can support people who train their children to be suicide bombers.

It's not just poverty. Poor Hispanics do not commit crime at nearly the same rate as similarly poor blacks.

but it still can be accumulated prejudice and racism, plus culture, before we even get to epigenetic and genetic factors.

We need to fix all that crap before we start tarring entire populations with racist brushes.

That's actually part of the problem, not solution.

And yes, white supremacists should quit while they're ahead before they find out their aryan or whatever stock is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

A culture thing is not the same as a "race" thing. It is true that most wealthier countries are further away from the equator. Singapore is an exception. Perhaps the capitalist dictatorship is the explanation?

I have to say I don't understand the premise of this thread, since the most recent scientific evidence points to the fact that we are one species, not a bunch of "races."

I'm also surprised that Patrick would start such a thread and not defend whatever position he takes in relation to it, but so be it.

This is either a total put on, or the grossest display of stupidity I've seen recently, and I drive a lot!

I'm checking out. See ya.

monkframe says

I have to say I don't understand the premise of this thread, since the most recent scientific evidence points to the fact that we are one species, not a bunch of "races."

Of course there are "races," they are in our heads. Groups race against each other. It means nothing, but humanity brings no meaning either.

monkframe says

I have to say I don't understand the premise of this thread, since the most recent scientific evidence points to the fact that we are one species, not a bunch of "races."

Given a million more years with no interracial breeding we would all have evolved into completely different animals. But with the world getting smaller, and interracial breeding expanding, we will all have descendants of the same human race.
Eventually, who is smarter, superior, and prettier will make no difference.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

Hamas does not want a 2 state solution. They want to exterminate Jews and Israel.

Wrong again. Hamas has called for a two state solution. That is the LEAST Israel MUST DO.

Then, after that there is still ongoing negotiations about the Palestinian claims on the land.

You have not done your homework. Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Israel is willing to go for a 2 state solution, which is why the gave up Gaza in exchange for peace. What did they get? suicide bombers.

monkframe says

scientific evidence points to the fact that we are one species, not a bunch of "races."

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/50193050eab8eaa85a00002b/early-google-employees.jpg

My guess is Bgamall4 would hate zionists even if Israel did not exist. His persona reminds me of germany before WW2.

Excellent rational by Sam Harris on why secularists need to support Israel-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel

Obligatory:

Yes! You have exposed me as a government recruit! I mean... Israel is paying me. How perceptive of you.
In fact I would love to get a second income from any government source.
Reason i started my comments with you is because I come to this site to read about the housing market and you keep on bringing up this jewish conspiracy filth. Go to Stormfront to make your point.

bgamall4 says

Portal says

Excellent rational by Sam Harris on why secularists need to support Israel-

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel

You made 5 comments on this site and you immediately slander me. Are you a government recruit? Or is Israel paying you?

What are your rambling about? bgamall4 says

You are slandering me. Stormfront is racist and anti Semitic. I am not. I liked Soap, by Susan Harris, but her son is lost, and confused. Smart, but still probably a closet Zionist.

I'll pass on reading your book. Here is the one review from amazon-
"This book was quite disjointed and very poorly written. The author needs to learn how to organize his thoughts and write coherent paragraphs that include topic sentences followed by support sentences. Moreover, he should have explained terminology such as Basel 2, MERS, Alt-A loans and so forth. Also, even though I happen to agree with his main premises, he failed to offer adequate support for his claims."bgamall4 says

And here is the point, Portal, the scamsters who orchestrated the housing debacle are associated with the people who seek world domination. The bankers and the UK and US and the neocons are all on the same page, Portal. I have proved it in my ebook, Wicked Zionism. You should read it.

Bellingham Bill says

Obligatory:

Strategist says

Gary, are going to hell.

there is a special place in hell for Gary, he gets to be one of the 72 virgins that suicide bombers are promised.

Debate you on what? You never made an actual argument!

If I need to read your book to debate you... then I think you are the one that is trolling.
bgamall4 says

That comment is trollish. For one thing, you didn't debate your slander of me, just made the comment of a troll instead. I have posted thousands of messages on this board and you are a jerk with only 6 comments.

Portal says

My guess is Bgamall4 would hate zionists even if Israel did not exist. His persona reminds me of germany before WW2.

I think he would hate Zionists, even if Zionists did not exist.

It is more cultural than race. Black people in the UK look and feel differently from those in the US.

Peter P says

It is more cultural than race. Black people in the UK look and feel differently from those in the US.

youre behind the times, this old chestnut is no longer accepted due to huge amounts of muslim blacks emigrating to UK. the few blacks here and there up until the 80s sure were a nice little decoration for the brits to prove they weren't racist.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nhzs_7RLgKQ

But I have a man-crush on Idris Elba.

its pretty simple really

Whites are wealth creators, planners, rationers, rearers of children, builders, writers, law makers

Blacks consume resources, violent, reproduce like rabbits, do not take responsibility for their children, have no sense of ethics or justice and blame all their problems on white people.

other groups like hispanics and asians are at varying points in the spectrum- some Asian groups are as intelligent as whites, such as Japanese- but I personally don't envy the Japanese one bit - but sometimes they are interesting.

bgamall4 says

Dan8267 says

Sure, you never came out and directly said those words, but like a typical lawyer, you implied it. You meant blacks.

I agree, that is how it came across to me, Dan. He is a racist, IMO. But then, I made the case in another thread that all Zionists are racist.

It's really bad when a racist like bgamall4 is like "damn, you're way too racist". It's like if Hitler said to you, "Don't you think you're being a bit hard on the Jews?". Or Michael Jackson saying, "Isn't he a bit too young for you?". Or R Kelly saying, "You really shouldn't pee on that.".

Let's set aside the race issue, let's look at the Distance from Equator within Europe: even the southern Europeans are selected by local females for Don Juan behavior instead of the preference for more industrious types in Northern Europe in order to ensure the survival of her offsprings. That's all within the same race of "Caucasians."

Another issue is "cross-over": "blacks" in the US have gotten a lot of lighter in skin color over the past 300-400 years, and many have crossed over to self-identify as "whites" after moving. It is estimated that the majority of "whites" in the US actually have at least one black person among their ancestors.

Now think about that for a moment. If we have 100 blue people to begin with, then each year the most intelligent among them is moved out of the group, replaced by one that is of exactly the average intelligence of the remaining 99. What do you think will happen to the average intelligence of the group after 300-400 iterations?

It's the same effect as the most kinetic molecules evaporate and reduce the water temperature in an open container.

the problem with the blacks in the US is that they are the offspring of TWO undesirable factors:

1) slaves who were bred for low intelligence and strong physical constitution

2) the mixing was not due to intermarriage but rather RAPE.

Most Africans today who come to the US do not get along with Basketball-Americans. I really predict that one of these days the tensions will get so bad and our political system will be so broken that some will actually begin to call for their extermination of sterilization. Do you have any idea how much these people cost Americans?

and the culture is starting to bleed out into white groups. Kids listening to rap music and imitating what they see on TV. Yes, this is YOUR kids- this is a white-middle class phenomenon. White girls are starting to behave like blacks, single mothers, STDs - you name it.