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Water costs skyrocket 1,000% where half the nation's fruits, vegetables and nut
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2014 Aug 3, 9:31am 6,727 views 37 comments
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lostand confused
2014 Aug 3, 10:52am
in case your dumb idiot brain hasnt figured out yet, Arizona has some of the most beautiful nature in the world, but that's immaterial I guess, and Im JEALOUS.
Sigh, unlike you-I believe nature is just beautiful. I have camped multiple times in Sedona, northern AZ, rafted the CO river and the same with CO, NM, Utah. I really love the scenery of Utah and also love the high desert. I have also spent a lot of time in southern AZ-just beautiful country. Unlike you I don't spend my time spewing garbage about beautiful places. Each place has its beauty. I now live in the Midwest and the winters are brutal, but nothing like sititng in your house watching the snow fall and watching the leaves fall in fall and bloom in spring. I now have a giant, giant lot and a house and am already planning my spring garden. Now my preference is CA-mostly no snow removal and winter clothing, but hey I am happy here and with the massive pile of money saved on mortgage will visit there or now maybe AZ or NZ.
The Original Bankster says
and also- RAINFORESTS ARE IN THE TROPICS.
they dont exist in temperate climates even though the dipwads in California decided to make a special exception for their stupid ass state. No rainforest there, it's just a regular forest.
Sigh-did you drop out of high school?? There is such a thing called temperate rainforest-as opposed to tropical rainforest.
if you have a fucking rainforest why does your stupid shit state have a severe water shortage?
no reason will get through your stupid head Im sure. You've already decided- California is just so god damn wonderful, it has endless money to spend, endless resources to squander, and is just so damn great.
I know your kind never reads anything that does not confirm your worldview and you project your stupidity and singular mind on to others. But as mentioned, I don't live in CA anymore. As mentioned, yes there is a water shortage, because stupid people won't allow diverting water available to others-because some tiny endangered fish lives there. Plus the enviro Nazis just want to see nature and not sue it-because folks already build the infrastrucure they enjoy and they seem to think it is magic.
But alas nothing will get through to you-because you can't even fathom a thing called a rainforest.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Aug 3, 11:16am
RAINFORESTS ARE IN THE TROPICS
Determined by Rainfall amounts.
Strategic Renter
2014 Aug 3, 11:21am
NV are pretty close to reaching their "share" if not exceeded it.
Incorrect get your facts right. Nevada returns a large percentage of the water it takes from Lake Mead back again and is credited with this. The third intake at the very bottom opening next year will ensure Las Vegas always have a supply long after the flow to AZ and CA stops.
The Original Bankster
2014 Aug 3, 12:17pm
Shit we just called them "The Woods" in South Carolina.
oh no, it's a RAIN FOREST. yep- we redefined the term 'rain forest' just so California could have one! California is that good.
Bellingham Bill
2014 Aug 3, 2:00pm
RAINFORESTS ARE IN THE TROPIC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_National_Park#Temperate_rainforest
Bellingham Bill
2014 Aug 3, 2:16pm
CA does not have the resources to support it's population
man, didn't know things were that bad!
The Original Bankster
2014 Aug 4, 4:34am
contrary to the rumors, Arizona does not have a water shortage. We have lots of MOUNTAINS where there is snow and LAKES.
zzyzzx
2014 Aug 4, 4:43am
I say AZ should stop giving water to California.
AZ has water to give to other states???
The Original Bankster
2014 Aug 4, 4:45am
I say AZ should stop giving water to California.
AZ has water to give to other states???
YES.
Arizona sells a huge amount of water to California.
most think of AZ as a desert but the northern part is alpine. We have huge water supplies here.
Some areas are problematic that rely on ground water. Phoenix is not one of those areas. If we put limits on agricultural use, Arizona would have a huge surplus of fresh water.
The Original Bankster
2014 Aug 4, 4:48am
I really think that Aquaponics is going to be the future.
you can raise enough food for 4-6 people in a small urban lot and use very little water. Also can be 100% solar powered.
New Renter
2014 Aug 4, 5:06am
Normally I'm a huge skeptic of desalination schemes but this one I like:
These solar desalination stills would allow farmers to tap into near surface aquifers of saline water, water too salty to use as is for agriculture and at a cost similar to what farmers are paying now for delivered fresh water.
IMO it might also allow ranchers to recycle liquid animal waste. Humans may not think much of toilet to tap but animals won't care.
Again IMO if these can be made to superheat water they *might* be used to generate electricity in wet years when fresh water is less critical.
The Original Bankster
2014 Aug 4, 5:10am
Israel gets an impressive portion of their water from desalination, unlike it's neighbors who are in the stone age.
I believe at last report they got it down to $0.10/cubic meter h20.
The Original Bankster
2014 Aug 4, 5:13am
also note that Israel is about 80+% food self sufficient and is an produce EXPORTER.
New Renter
2014 Aug 4, 5:15am
Israel gets an impressive portion of their water from desalination, unlike it's neighbors who are in the stone age.
I believe at last report they got it down to $0.10/cubic meter h20.
That would be $123/acre foot, damned impressive!
Got a link?
EDIT: beat me to it :)
However, your link only talks about RO which is HUGELY electric intensive. I doubt that can generate $0.10/m^3 of fresh water without enormous subsidies.
What is Israel doing that CAN generate $0.10/m^3 of fresh water without subsidies?
The Original Bankster
2014 Aug 4, 5:18am
That would be $123/acre foot, damned impressive!
it is absolutely incredible what these people have done.
they also have excelled in water conserving agriculture.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Aug 4, 7:50am
They should make antifreeze and coolants out of the brine, they plan on pumping back into the Ocean.
New Renter
2014 Aug 4, 8:30am
Speaking of Unicorns: is it a geothermal energy project? A desalinization plant? Or a cooling system for data centers?
I see the data cooling and desalination but where's the geothermal aspect?
They should make antifreeze and coolants out of the brine, they plan on pumping back into the Ocean.
I'd think saltwater is too corrosive for most applications.
New Renter
2014 Aug 4, 8:35am
That would be $123/acre foot, damned impressive!
it is absolutely incredible what these people have done.
they also have excelled in water conserving agriculture.
Where are the cost claims? Am I missing something?
New Renter
2014 Aug 4, 10:17am
That would be $123/acre foot, damned impressive!
it is absolutely incredible what these people have done.
they also have excelled in water conserving agriculture.
Where are the cost claims? Am I missing something?
This 2012 article claims it takes an Israeli desalination plant 3.5kw/hr to make one cu meter of fresh water:
http://www.ibtimes.com/water-sea-risks-and-rewards-israels-huge-bet-desalination-723429
To try that here in CA assuming standard PGE residential rates of between $0.14 and $0.36/kW/hr you are looking at between $604-1553/acre-foot. And that is just the electricity, not even counting the capital costs to build the plant in the first place. This will likely cost upwards of $1B+ as in the case of the RO desalination plant in Carlsbad CA.
Unless the Israelis have made substantial progress in RO tech solar desalination is looking a WHOLE lot better.
I know how much you all love Gary's fundamentalist religion posts, but I thouhgt you might all enjoy a thread about something that effects Real Estate Values in California- given the subject of most threads on here that may be off topic, Im not sure.
http://www.naturalnews.com/046304_water_costs_extreme_drought_food_prices.html
"(NaturalNews) It is not as if there aren't any economic factors influencing the price of groceries these days. Transportation alone, thanks to skyrocketing fuel prices, has lifted the cost of everything we buy at the grocery store. Now, one of the worst droughts in U.S. history is making the one thing absolutely vital for food production -- an ample water supply -- more expensive as well, and that, ultimately, will translate into even higher prices at the market."
also- ur all fucked! lol
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