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That's a ridiculous headline.

Awesome guy stands up for his rights.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/6_3dDNPwJTU

http://www.youtube.com/embed/LCMMAeg2NYY

I'm all against drunk driving and never would even consider driving after even having a single drink, but you are not obligated to answers questions at a DUI checkpoint and the cops know it. They try to make you think you must comply with their orders, but they don't have the lawful authority or right to make you answer any questions.

This is a great guy who's obviously did not have anything to drink and the cops realize they can't force him to obey them like a slave while he films the whole thing. This guy is a hero. He's standing up for everyone's right to be free.

88 criminal cops stalked this one good cop hoping to catch her committing some offense and then very selectively prosecuting her on it. That's 88 cops going against one cop. And each one of them was committing a felony, 784.048 aggravated stalking and cyberstalking, as well as other crimes, violating the Driver Privacy Protection Act and the Fourth Amendment.

Every single one of them should be fired.

25 agencies can check anyone's License in Florida? Crazy.

Dan8267 says

The police are a vindictive, vile, organized crime family and terrorist group. And it's time we start treating them as such. Every badge should come with a built in camera that broadcasts unencrypted over an open wireless network. Cameras used by the press and citizens should come with built in guns to defend themselves from the police who try to stop citizens from videoing. Drones should be used to surround cops and video them as they perform their daily activities. Only when the police, the NSA, and every government official is recorded as much as you and I are, will we be free from domestic terrorism. And I use the word terrorism correctly. The police try to inflict terror in individuals, communities, and the public. They are the worst terrorists.

Power corrupts. The explosion in police brutality is all the Iraq Veterans getting cop jobs upon return.

Cop Forums. Back when you could browse them, you'd hear what they really thought about their jobs and the public. They hate the Public, and they exchange tips on how to cover up. But then in the late 90s there were a bunch of lawsuits, and now they're all hosted anonymously, probably in other countries by straw holders, and you have to submit proof of your active police job to get a login.

Bigsby says

That's a ridiculous headline.

I stand by my analysis. You are welcome to offer your analysis.

They are inept as their Boss.

If Bush was still President that would have been a video on the proper way to Water board a Border patrol troll.

I don't know why he hassled the DOT guys at the State border. If that would have been Florida they would have called the FHP who would have just arrested him for obstruction of justice.

The DHS guys he had every right, to refuse and ignore them. Not state DOT weigh stations and ag check points.

CaptainShuddup says

they would have called the FHP who would have just arrested him for obstruction of justice.

That would be false arrest. I'm looking forward to the day when the pro-gun crowd grow balls and place a cop under citizen's arrest for a false arrest attempt and then shoot the cop when he violently resists arrest. Cops committing criminal acts are not an exception to Florida's Stand Your Ground law. The actions of the police must be 100% lawful and false arrest is not.

Dan8267 says

This guy is a hero.

Seriously?

Bigsby says

Dan8267 says

This guy is a hero.

Seriously?

Damn straight. Just because you don't value the rights of others, does not make them unimportant. He is literally doing more for freedom than George Washington ever did.

Dan8267 says

Bigsby says

That's a ridiculous headline.

I stand by my analysis. You are welcome to offer your analysis.

So as you sit in front of your newspaper or TV aghast (presumably) at the horrors currently being committed by the group formerly known as ISIS, what you actually conclude is that it is nothing compared to a handful of deaths caused by cops. That's what you are saying, is it?

This is an act of terrorism and a threat to viciously torture and kill someone with an animal. Imagine if a group of protesters came forward with guns strapped to their hips and 10 attack dogs viciously barking at that cop and his dog. That would be taken as a death threat.

And if the dog is a cop, it's also a criminal for communicating I'm going to tear your throat apart and bath in your blood.

The use of animals to maul people is barbaric and should never be tolerated in any civilized country.

Dan8267 says

Bigsby says

Dan8267 says

This guy is a hero.

Seriously?

Damn straight. Just because you don't value the rights of others, does not make them unimportant. He is literally doing more for freedom than George Washington ever did.

And how do you know what I do or don't value? I took it as some bloke wanting to get a name for himself by posting up videos to Youtube. A bit of ego massage if you like. I don't see how sitting in a car, filming the police and just following your rights makes you a hero. Debasement of language seems to be all the rage these days.

Bigsby says

And how do you know what I do or don't value?

By your words.

Bigsby says

I took it as some bloke wanting to get a name for himself by posting up videos to Youtube.

And yet the person(s) remain anonymous in both videos, posted by different YouTube channels. You took it wrong.

And it's irrelevant. The person(s) were right in both videos and standing up to illegal interrogations is an important civic duty regardless of the individual's personal motivation.

We should not tolerate the police treating the private citizens as slaves. They are not our masters. They are our equals under law. They have no privileges as any privilege violates the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause.

The police cannot legally arrest or imply arrest for not doing what they tell you to do. The police cannot order you to
- make statements
- take off your clothes
- stop going to church
- leave public property including sidewalks and parks

There are very few commands that you must obey and they are all backed up by specific laws. The police cannot make up the law on the spot or punish you in any way for refusing to comply with a request or an illegal order. This is damn important as millions of people have been falsely arrested in this country. This is not a new or a small problem.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts completely. The police must never even think they have absolute power or are free from accountability. So yes, this guy is a hero who risked his safety to stand up for liberty. A criminal cop could have assaulted him. I've got thousands of YouTube videos showing just that happening. Want me to post them? The evidence is overwhelming.

Bigsby says

So as you sit in front of your newspaper or TV aghast (presumably) at the horrors currently being committed by the group formerly known as ISIS, what you actually conclude is that it is nothing compared to a handful of deaths caused by cops. That's what you are saying, is it?

ISIS was backed by America, before we were against it. I got a picture of the fmr. Ambassador to Syria meeting with an "Emir" of ISIS not last decade, not 5 years ago, last year. Don't you remember when Kerry was talking about supporting Anti-Assad Rebels? Guess who makes up the vast majority of them? ISIS and other Wahabi Fundie Sunnis.

Syrian Christian Blogger: http://orontes.jimdo.com/2014/06/28/even-if-we-die-we-ll-die-in-our-land/

In any case, what the devil does ISIS have to do with trigger happy cops in the US?

Bigsby says

A bit of ego massage if you like.

It's precisely the ego's of cops that are dangerous.

Bigsby says

I don't see how sitting in a car, filming the police and just following your rights makes you a hero. Debasement of language seems to be all the rage these days.

Damn few do it because of fear. That's why it's heroic.

Dan8267 says

Bigsby says

And how do you know what I do or don't value?

By your words.

No, my words simply indicate that I disagree with your assessment that cops are the worst terrorists in the world and that uploading a Youtube video showing you blanking the cops makes you a hero. They don't indicate that I don't value the rights of others.

Dan8267 says

And yet the person(s) remain anonymous in both videos, posted by different YouTube channels. You took it wrong.

That person knows who they are. He can see the hits. He can read the responses. If he wanted to be truly anonymous, then don't post them in the first place.

Dan8267 says

And it's irrelevant. The person(s) were right in both videos and standing up to illegal interrogations is an important civic duty regardless of the individual's personal motivation.

I'm not arguing that it wasn't right. I'm saying that I believe you are using overblown language to describe his actions.

And you haven't responded to my other point. Do you think these cops are worse terrorists than ISIS? Or would you just like to admit that you were being overly frothy with your language?

Bigsby says

And you haven't responded to my other point. Do you think these cops are worse terrorists than ISIS? Or would you just like to admit that you were being overly frothy with your language?

If a massacre is going on, what difference does it make if something is worse that Hitler, or not quite as bad as Stalin?

Especially when it's at home, and not in the asscrack of the world.

thunderlips11 says

ISIS was backed by America, before we were against it. I got a picture of the fmr. Ambassador to Syria meeting with an "Emir" of ISIS not last decade, not 5 years ago, last year. Don't you remember when Kerry was talking about supporting Anti-Assad Rebels? Guess who makes up the vast majority of them? ISIS and other Wahabi Fundie Sunnis.

They didn't constitute the majority at the onset of the uprising. The fact is that they hijacked the uprising because they saw an opportunity. And the US don't support ISIS. Why do you think they so rapidly stepped away from any direct military involvement after being so gung-ho at the beginning?

thunderlips11 says

Bigsby says

And you haven't responded to my other point. Do you think these cops are worse terrorists than ISIS? Or would you just like to admit that you were being overly frothy with your language?

If a massacre is going on, what difference does it make if something is worse that Hitler, or not quite as bad as Stalin?

Especially when it's at home, and not in the asscrack of the world.

It's not a massacre. And it still doesn't make them the worst terrorists. Language does matter.

Bigsby says

They didn't constitute the majority at the onset of the uprising. The fact is that they hijacked the uprising because they saw an opportunity. And the US don't support ISIS. Why do you think they so rapidly stepped away from any direct military involvement after being so gung-ho at the beginning?

Yep, they were held in abject fear by the backhand of Assad's Army. The US pushed some covert ops down there, created some anarchy, and they took the chance to liberate themselves from the Satanic Heretical Alawites and their Kaffir Christian and Shi'a and Druze allies. Allah Ahkbar!

This is blowback, anyway you look at it.

As for ISIS in Iraq, Muslim Fundamentalism weren't a fly on Gaddafyi's, Saddams, or Assad's ass before the US started destablizing their regimes. Now they are a major problem. Have you seen what's cooking in Libya lately, where the US succeeded in using Wahabi nuts to set up Neoliberal Oligarchs? The Wahabi Nuts are turning on the Oligarchs, after all neoliberals oligarchs aren't known for fighting themselves and don't inspire anyone to an uprising with promises of more free trade 30 fabric softener brands.

Bigsby says

Dan8267 says

Bigsby says

Dan8267 says

This guy is a hero.

Seriously?

Damn straight. Just because you don't value the rights of others, does not make them unimportant. He is literally doing more for freedom than George Washington ever did.

And how do you know what I do or don't value? I took it as some bloke wanting to get a name for himself by posting up videos to Youtube. A bit of ego massage if you like. I don't see how sitting in a car, filming the police and just following your rights makes you a hero. Debasement of language seems to be all the rage these days.

Dan, Just how are the cops supposed to do their job when you support criminal behavior? That cop is trying to keep drunks off the road, to protect me and my kids. You are supporting drunks when they get away with it.
Aren't you the real criminal here?

Bigsby says

It's not a massacre. And it still doesn't make them the worst terrorists. Language does matter.

Language does matter - I believe it was you who were trying to distract from Missouri to ISIS with:

Bigsby says

And you haven't responded to my other point. Do you think these cops are worse terrorists than ISIS? Or would you just like to admit that you were being overly frothy with your language?

Obviously the populace is terrorized, or they wouldn't be flipping out.

They should write a letter that will be ignored, or march around a bit until the news cycle changes. That will bring necessary oversight and reform.

Dan8267 says

This is an act of terrorism and a threat to viciously torture and kill someone with an animal. Imagine if a group of protesters came forward with guns strapped to their hips and 10 attack dogs viciously barking at that cop and his dog. That would be taken as a death threat.

And if the dog is a cop, it's also a criminal for communicating I'm going to tear your throat apart and bath in your blood.

The use of animals to maul people is barbaric and should never be tolerated in any civilized country.

That cop is trying to keeping law and order. I see nothing wrong here.

thunderlips11 says

Yep, they were held in abject fear by the backhand of Assad's Army. The US pushed some covert ops down there, created some anarchy, and they took the chance to liberate themselves from the Satanic Heretical Alawites and their Kaffir Christian and Shi'a and Druze allies. Allah Ahkbar!

Perhaps you should read up a little more on the history of Syria under Assad's rule (and his father).

thunderlips11 says

As for ISIS in Iraq, Muslim Fundamentalism weren't a fly on Gaddafyi's, Saddams, or Assad's ass before the US started destablizing their regimes. Now they are a major problem.

The US has facilitated what has happened by causing/allowing that country to descend into sectarian chaos, but those tensions always existed with or without the interference of the US. They were simply kept in check through industrial scale oppression and murder.

thunderlips11 says

Obviously the populace is terrorized, or they wouldn't be flipping out.

They should write a letter that will be ignored, or march around a bit until the news cycle changes. That will bring necessary oversight and reform.

The populace is poor, they have no hope beyond winning the lottery. So they are looking for someone to blame.

thunderlips11 says

Bigsby says

It's not a massacre. And it still doesn't make them the worst terrorists. Language does matter.

Language does matter - I believe it was you who were trying to distract from Missouri to ISIS with:

I wasn't trying to distract from anything. You/Dan/anyone else are perfectly free to discuss what happened there, but Dan also should refrain from calling US cops the worst terrorists in the world. It does his argument no favours.

Bigsby says

Perhaps you should read up a little more on the history of Syria under Assad's rule.

Yep, he's a dictatorial cunt who uses violence. If he didn't, the place would be overrun with Sunni Freaks.

Bigsby says

The US has facilitated what has happened by causing/allowing that country to descend into sectarian chaos, but those tensions always existed with or without the interference of the US. They were simply kept in check through industrial scale oppression and murder.

Yes, the US sure did.

And there's industrial scale, or really, widespread Homebrew Massacres a la Somalia or the Sudan, going on now. It wasn't Assad that used Chemical Weapons on the populace (and, notice who leaped to the microphone saying they had strong evidence it was Assad's Army after it happened).

Strategist says

The populace is poor, they have no hope beyond winning the lottery. So they are looking for someone to blame.

Of course, the fact that an unarmed man was shot to death has nothing to do with it.

When are the factories coming back?

Bigsby says

I wasn't trying to distract from anything. You/Dan/anyone else are perfectly free to discuss what happened there, but Dan also should refrain from calling US cops the worst terrorists in the world. It does his argument no favours.

I see where you came from with that argument. A counter-argument would be: ISIS is in the asspit of the world over there, and trigger happy cops are here.

I think we have around 300 wrongful cop shootings per year, which is like a Boston Bombing twice a week.

thunderlips11 says

Bigsby says

Perhaps you should read up a little more on the history of Syria under Assad's rule.

Yep, he's a dictatorial cunt who uses violence. If he didn't, the place would be overrun with Sunni Freaks.

Who do you think has contributed to the radicalisation of so many Sunnis?

thunderlips11 says

It wasn't Assad that used Chemical Weapons on the populace (and, notice who leaped to the microphone saying they had strong evidence it was Assad's Army after it happened).

I didn't say it was, and I'm not clear on the purpose of that comment.

thunderlips11 says

I see where you came from with that argument. A counter-argument would be: ISIS is in the asspit of the world over there, and trigger happy cops are here.

That's not a counter-argument to cops being the worst terrorists in the world. It is an argument that it has a more immediate impact upon those living in the US (though in the long run the permanent creation of an Islamic caliphate could pose a more substantial threat to the safety of US citizens).

thunderlips11 says

I think we have around 300 wrongful cop shootings per year, which is like a Boston Bombing twice a week.

Not every one of them involves a white cop and a black kid/man.
We also have 300 million people. We have 40,000 road fatalities every year.
There will always be these kind of shootings. Humans will make mistakes in a life threatening situation. It just does not make it racist or murder.
The best we can do is reduce these tragic situations as much as possible. Blaming the cops every time and claiming racism every time is not productive and not the solution.

Bigsby says

That's not a counter-argument to cops being the worst terrorists in the world. It is an argument that it has a more immediate impact upon those living in the US (though in the long run the permanent creation of an Islamic caliphate could pose a more substantial threat to the safety of US citizens).

Imagine ISIS in control of the Middle East. Now imagine hell for us.

Strategist says

Imagine ISIS in control of the Middle East. Now imagine hell for us.

Imagine the hell for the people living in the Middle East.

Bigsby says

Who do you think has contributed to the radicalisation of so many Sunnis?

Why are Sunnis so radicalized in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and the Sudan?

Bigsby says

I didn't say it was, and I'm not clear on the purpose of that comment.

To illustrate how much the US wanted to blame Assad.

Speaking of an absolute government using violence, how'd our friends in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan treat the Palestinians... or those Democratic Emirs of Bahrain treat their Democracy Protesters?

Bigsby says

It is an argument that it has a more immediate impact upon those living in the US (though in the long run the permanent creation of an Islamic caliphate could pose a more substantial threat to the safety of US citizens).

A Caliphate would still be unable to make it's own tanks, much less jet fighters or even guns. No population, no know-how, and attempts at a unification would be a howl to watch. Germany was one of the top 5 Industrial Powers; Russia had a massive population. The Levant has neither the population nor the industry to be a threat.

We have enough problems at home, and plenty of Weapons with which to nuke the Levant.

thunderlips11 says

Bigsby says

It is an argument that it has a more immediate impact upon those living in the US (though in the long run the permanent creation of an Islamic caliphate could pose a more substantial threat to the safety of US citizens).

A Caliphate would still be unable to make it's own tanks, much less jet fighters or even guns. No population, no know-how, and attempts at a unification would be a howl to watch. Germany was one of the top 5 Industrial Powers; Russia had a massive population. The Levant has neither the population nor the industry to be a threat.

They don't need the ability to make advanced weapons to be a serious threat. They can always buy and steal weapons. What capability did Al Qaeda have? They still managed a 911. ISIS is even worse then them. Look at the destruction they have already created?
Imagine if they manage to get a nuke or even a hundred shoulder fired missiles into the US.

thunderlips11 says

Why are Sunnis so radicalized in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and the Sudan?

Some Sunnis are radicalised. There is an enormous difference between that and what you are saying.

thunderlips11 says

To illustrate how much the US wanted to blame Assad.

Of course they wanted to blame Assad. What exactly do you think the history of the region is?
thunderlips11 says

Speaking of an absolute government using violence, how'd our friends in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan treat the Palestinians... or those Democratic Emirs of Bahrain treat their Democracy Protesters?

Poorly.

thunderlips11 says

A Caliphate would still be unable to make it's own tanks, much less jet fighters or even guns. No population, no know-how, and attempts at a unification would be a howl to watch. Germany was one of the top 5 Industrial Powers; Russia had a massive population. The Levant has neither the population nor the industry to be a threat.

You would have a group imposing radicalisation on a whole region, generating enormous wealth from which they would be able to buy the weapons they can't produce. And they don't need modern weapons to cause problems in the US as you well know. They need organisation, funding and volunteers, of which there would be substantially more.

thunderlips11 says

We have enough problems at home, and plenty of Weapons with which to nuke the Levant.

Good grief.

Bigsby says

Some Sunnis are radicalised. There is an enormous difference between that and what you are saying.

Who funds ISIS, the Chechen Rebels, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Muslim Militants in India and Paki Terror Teams?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Chain
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-iraq-saudi-qatar-idUSBREA2806S20140309
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/world/middleeast/private-donors-funds-add-wild-card-to-war-in-syria.html?_r=0

And of course, $60M in State Department Aid goes a long way...
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/02/us_to_aid_syrian_gro.php

Bigsby says

You would have a group imposing radicalisation on a whole region, generating enormous wealth from which they would be able to buy the weapons they can't produce. And they don't need modern weapons to cause problems in the US as you well know. They need organisation, funding and volunteers, of which there would be substantially more.

Several of the 9/11 hijackers encountered routine traffic stops, yet, unlike if the same thing happened anywhere in industrialized Europe or Asia where police check immigration status, not deported. Most (all?) of the hijackers were visa overstayers. Instead, we jail dangerous Icelandic Students and Tourists for staying a few days too long. Hard to hijack a plane in Boston when you're back in Morocco/Egypt/Saudi Arabia.

Also, Islamic Fundamentalism is linked to US Meddling. No Shah and no Mossadegh overthrow, it's highly unlikely Khomeni would have taken power. The Egyptian populace is well aware of where the tanks and guns used to impose military dictatorships come from, and who pays for their oppression, as are the Pakistanis.

As for taking over the Levant, the Iranians, Turks, Kurds, Israel, Arab Shi'a and definitely Hezbollah would keep them VERY busy even if they could occupy both Syria and Iraq.

Bigsby says

thunderlips11 says

We have enough problems at home, and plenty of Weapons with which to nuke the Levant.

Good grief.

That's an exaggeration, of course. But if the Levant ever did try to build Skunkworks and Tank Factories, they're only a cruise missile away. If we even have to bother, assuming the Russians, Iranians, Turks, etc. don't do it first.

We can't afford Team America: World Police anymore. Most of the violence in the middle east is the blowback of our own buttinsky ways. Who ever heard of ISIS in 2002?

Again, not a speck on Assad's or Saddam's ass - until we destabilized the region with our occupation.

thunderlips11 says

Also, Islamic Fundamentalism is linked to US Meddling. No Shah and no Mossadegh overthrow, it's highly unlikely Khomeni would have taken power. The Egyptian populace is well aware of where the tanks and guns used to impose military dictatorships come from, and who pays for their oppression, as are the Pakistanis.

And I already made the same point.

thunderlips11 says

Who funds ISIS, the Chechen Rebels, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Muslim Militants in India and Paki Terror Teams?

I know very well who funds these groups - and in the case of ISIS, I understand they have largely become self-funded with their recent advances.

thunderlips11 says

Several of the 9/11 hijackers encountered routine traffic stops, yet, unlike if the same thing happened anywhere in industrialized Europe or Asia where police check immigration status, not deported. Most (all?) of the hijackers were visa overstayers. Instead, we jail dangerous Icelandic Students and Tourists for staying a few days too long. Hard to hijack a plane in Boston when you're back in Morocco/Egypt/Saudi Arabia.

Once in any country, it's pretty difficult to track people down if they're trying to avoid the authorities, so I'm not sure what your point is.

thunderlips11 says

As for taking over the Levant, the Iranians, Turks, Kurds, Israel, Arab Shi'a and definitely Hezbollah would keep them VERY busy even if they could occupy both Syria and Iraq.

If they actually did manage to control Iraq and Syria, I suspect your flippancy about the consequences would be misplaced.

Bigsby says

I know very well who funds these groups - and in the case of ISIS, I understand they have largely become self-funded with their recent advances.

When does the bombing of Saudi Arabia begin, then? The sanctions for oppressing women, for jailing lawyers for 15 years over blogging about legal reforms?

I remember during the Occupation, the Pentagon hemmed and hawed about Foreign Fighters, then it finally came out that large numbers of them were Saudi and other Gulf and Arab "Allies".

Bigsby says

Once in any country, it's pretty difficult to track people down if they're trying to avoid the authorities, so I'm not sure what your point is.

They were stopped, and if I remember right, on I-95. If this was pretty much every European country, the cop would say "Passport and Visa, please".
"Oh, this expired last year. We're going to Immigration, Gentlemen."

Bigsby says

If they actually did manage to control Iraq and Syria, I suspect your flippancy about the consequences would be misplaced.

Won't happen. The Kurds, Shi'a, and Iran won't allow it.

Meanwhile, John Kerry is delivering attack helicopters to General Sisi. The Egyptian street is well aware where the copters come from and who pays and how they are paid for.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/22/john-kerry-egypt-visit-sisi

thunderlips11 says

We can't afford Team America: World Police anymore. Most of the violence in the middle east is the blowback of our own buttinsky ways. Who ever heard of ISIS in 2002?

Again, not a speck on Assad's or Saddam's ass - until we destabilized the region with our occupation.

The past is the past. The issue is what is to be done now with the very real threat of ISIS.

thunderlips11 says

Won't happen. The Kurds, Shi'a, and Iran won't allow it.

They don't have to literally control all of it, do they? Some oil fields and major cities can supply a substantial amount of funds.
thunderlips11 says

When does the bombing of Saudi Arabia begin, then? The sanctions for oppressing women, for jailing lawyers for 15 years over blogging about legal reforms?

Yes, because the two situations are obviously the same...

thunderlips11 says

They were stopped, and if I remember right, on I-95. If this was pretty much every European country, the cop would say "Passport and Visa, please".

"Oh, this expired last year. We're going to Immigration, Gentlemen."

You have a lot of experience living in Europe, do you? If someone was stopped for speeding in Europe and produced a driving licence, then they wouldn't be asked for their 'passport and visa.'