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Remember folks, it's only rushing to judgement when the cops/gov't are accused.

If it's a citizen, esp. a black one, feel free to assume the worst.

dodgerfanjohn says

Peter P says

Again, this is an unfortunate event. My sympathies go to those who were robbed and looted. Such disrespect on private property is mind-boggling. I will withhold judgement on the shooting until more facts are made public.

Damage already is done, regardless of what facts show.

I'd bet at least 30% of Americas believe that George Zimmerman is a convicted murderer, Trayvon Martin was a nice kid, and he's President Obama's son.

I agree with that, however I don't agree with cops killing people "charging" at them or "not complying". What happened to tasers? And if you have to use a gun (as a trained professional) you should be able to shoot someone in the leg or otherwise non-fatally, given that they are not visibly armed (with a gun/rifle) and (about to) open fire.

Policemen do not shoot to kill. They shoot to stop. It is not feasible for them to aim for smaller targets like arms and/or legs.

That said, non-lethal weapons can be developed. Watched Minority Report?

I favor universal surveillance. Privacy in public space is an oxymoron. Every non-private locations should be monitored, possibly by computers or outsourced eyeballs.

Peter P says

Policemen do not shoot to kill. They shoot to stop. It is not feasible for them to aim for smaller targets like arms and/or legs.

That said, non-lethal weapons can be developed. Watched Minority Report?

I beg to differ, trained policemen in most western countries can shoot to stop without killing the offender. Killings happen rarely and only as a last resort. I dislike the whole race-baiting thing around it and the character distortions created by the media, but one main reason for a trained police force vs an untrained militia is that they (should) have enough target practice.

mell says

Peter P says

Policemen do not shoot to kill. They shoot to stop. It is not feasible for them to aim for smaller targets like arms and/or legs.

That said, non-lethal weapons can be developed. Watched Minority Report?

I beg to differ, trained policemen in most western countries can shoot to stop without killing the offender. Killings happen rarely and only as a last resort. I dislike the whole race-baiting thing around it and the character distortions created by the media, but one main reason for a trained police force vs an untrained militia is that they (should) have enough target practice.

But perpetrators in other western countries have less body mass to stop. ;-)

watch http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhc70Hx2d9sLLAb26k

Strategist says

A 295lb 6'4" man who charges you is a clear and present danger.

1. Where is your evidence that Brown "charged" Wilson? So far the only witness account available says that it was Wilson that charged or assaulted Brown using his police car/cardoor as a (deadly!) weapon. So one could argue that victim Brown had the right to defend himself against deadly assault. Instead, it was officer Wilson that killed citizen Brown. Do you understand that a citizen has the right not to be assaulted, and there is no exception that police officers may assault citizens at will?

2. Please tell me where in the laws of Missouri is the phrase "a clear and present danger" used in connection with self-defense?

Okay, I did the work for you. Search for

clear +present +danger +self-defense

in

http://www.moga.mo.gov/htmlpages/Statuteconstitutionsearch.aspx

There are no matches. So you are just parroting some catchphrase you have heard somewhere. And in any case it was citizen Brown that endangered, not officer Wilson.

Peter P says

Policemen do not shoot to kill. They shoot to stop.

Not true. Police shoot for all kinds of illegal reasons. And they shoot to kill, because they know how bad it is to have their shooting victim testify against them.

are you kidding?

this person Brown is not a victim. He was robbing a convenience store not long before the incident happened. The fact that you believe all this is a subject of discussion shows you how deluded you really are.

Hey TOB, that was a lame troll. Go back to trolling school.

Call it Crazy says

Where is your evidence that Brown was shot in the back?

Don't give me this lame tit-for-tat. The evidence is at the coroner's office, and will be made public, I hope soon.

who cares if he was shot in the back?

the guy was ROBBING A STORE just prior to the incident.

what is wrong with you people?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch is the resident court jester, not you TOB.

Take some lessons from him, and learn to be CONSISTENT. Consistency is key to that job.

its like their making it out as if these trivial factors are some sort of suspenseful verdict on the guilt of the police officer.

ITS ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED. Brown is a common criminal. CASE CLOSED.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/5f0mVn0HH6U

Damn good rant...

We have toiled this mountain long enough...

When are we going to overcome.

You activist out there, came out of no where. We want justice!
Shut up!! Where you when Ray Ray killed little Lukie where were you?

It's time for us to change.
And I ain't talking about Obama that silly Joker, that's another rant...

Acting like Planet and Ape and Curious George on crack.

I wish he'd do one on the dumb ass White kids out there too.
In fact everybody needs this guy to tell them what they need to hear.
I wish People in Washington was like him.

CaptainShuddup says

I wish he'd do one on the dumb ass White kids out there too.

In fact everybody needs this guy to tell them what they need to hear.

I wish People in Washington was like him.

you know Cap, I thought this way once too. And yes there are exemplary Black people, but on the whole Blacks are comparatively stupid, immoral, primitive and violent. Just look at Africa. So this person will live his whole life trying to defend and/or change the black community- when in reality, they ain't gonna change.

you can be like marcus and pretend to be morally outraged in order to score points, but this tactic will only work so many times until the moral piggy bank is cashed out and were living like the africans. Eventually natural law takes over. We are at that point. I don't hate black people, Im a realist though. Actually my image of black people is closer to how blacks see other blacks than is the PC attitude.

justme says

Peter P says

Policemen do not shoot to kill. They shoot to stop.

Not true. Police shoot for all kinds of illegal reasons. And they shoot to kill, because they know how bad it is to have their shooting victim testify against them.

At first it thought you are just naive and enjoyed being played by others. But the above statement by you just takes it to a whole new level of stupidity.

mell says

And if you have to use a gun (as a trained professional) you should be able to shoot someone in the leg or otherwise non-fatally, given that they are not visibly armed (with a gun/rifle) and (about to) open fire.

It's obvious you're not very familiar with firearms. As in "have 0 experience".

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9vQaVIoEjOM