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Strategist says

Peter P says

I still don't understand why poor people choose to procreate. I can't afford kids so I don't have them.

It's the poor who procreate the most, no matter where you go.

Humanity is the first counter-evolutionary species. Charles Darwin never anticipated the power of welfare.

Strategist says

Why be a smart aleck and stir up trouble?

Again, you are making up Straw Man arguments. Silently recording the police from a distance is not being a smart aleck or interfering with an investigation. Period.

Every example I have given of police crimes did not involve a citizen trying to stir up trouble. You are making a bullshit argument and ignore the real world examples that contradict your assertions.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

mmmarvel says

And a few bad cops does not mean that the majority are bad.

The fact that there are thousands of examples of police crimes that make the news every year shows that there aren't just a few bad apples.

Out of over a million employed in Law Enforcement.... You can't even stretch it to 1%...

The vast majority of police crime never make the news.

And if the prosecutions I'm demanding are so damn few, then why are you so opposed to them?

As for evidence, you have already chosen to ignore the mass of evidence I've already presented. There is no evidence you would accept that shows the police in a bad light.

But hey, if I'm so damn wrong, you'd have no objection to every cop wearing a video camera while on duty or in possession of a gun or badge, and no problem with civilians recording every word and action of the police including covert recording, right?

I have provided dozens of linked articles in addition to videos from various local and national news programs. You are just trolling.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

I have provided dozens of linked articles in addition to videos from various local and national news programs. You are just trolling.

Dozens..... and a few videos... boy, that's a whole bunch...

Like I said:

Call it Crazy says

Out of over a million employed in Law Enforcement.... You can't even stretch it to 1%...

Nobody denies there are a few bad apples, but you're really pushing the envelope to try and convince us that it's a major problem.

While I don't want to get dragged into the legal nuances of this debate largely because some here are grossly informed over what 4th amendment rights they have and when (i.e. exigent circumstances, terry stops, hot pursuit doctrine, reasonable and articulate suspicion...) I will add this one factual nugget to color
your viewpoints:

This office has somewhere between 3,000 - 5,000 files where we have dashcam, jailcam, video of our client being detained, arrested, interrogated, etc. Every single one is reviewed mostly for procedural errors, (i.e. when did the investigative detention become a custodial interrogation? - At what point was the client Mirandized?) These issues do come up, probably 10% of the time, but otherwise, these videos are terribly boring, banal, routine interactions between authorities and the citizenry that no one would ever give a shit about.

Now, as to the sort of repulsive behavior which becomes the stuff of youtube videos that you guys are discussing here, I asked our paralegal, of the 3,000-5,000 videos he has seen, how many have risen to this level? His response "about 6 or 7".

Now to me, 6 or 7 out of several thousand would indeed suggest its more bad apples than anything, but I will let you gentlemen
decide. Carry on, good Counselors Bryan & Darrow!

CDon says

His response "about 6 or 7".

Sounds like the system isn't very effective. More than that make the news every hour.

Call it Crazy says

you're really pushing the envelope to try and convince us that it's a major problem.

Of course it's not a major problem to you because you haven't been on the receiving end of the crime. You lack the empathy to consider anybody else's suffering to be a major problem. Typical conservative.

Dan8267 says

Sounds like the system isn't very effective.

Believe me, as they are effectively million dollar lottery tickets, we search very very hard for them. As an incentive, paralegals are paid 10K bonuses for each one they find.