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PCGyver says

Strategist says

what if a criminal pointed a gun at you and said "Give me your wallet or I will shoot you" Would you assert your rights, and tell him to piss off, or would you give him your wallet

So you are saying we should obey cops as if they are criminals?

We should obey cops because it's the right thing to do. Not obeying the cop in the line of duty is what triggers trouble. It does not help being a smart ass with a cop

I've encountered both excellent cops and asshole cops.

My first cop encounter was walking home from my job washing dishes in a pizzeria at 15. A cop pulled up beside me, leapt out, threw my ass to the ground, grabbed me by the throat, shined a light in my face and said "You ain't him", and went back into his car, leaving my ass on the ground.

I basically said "Hello Off--- OOOFFF!" before he threw my ass.

Authority worshippers tell me I ought to be grateful and thankful.

I get where black people come from, every hood is like NJ. You got almost all white cops, white school board, town runs on fees and fines, so every cop is badgering people all day long trying to find something to fine or fee them with. They're all poor, so they don't pay and end up getting arrested the next time they are stopped for not paying. And so it goes.

It all starts in school where they suspend 3 year olds from school because they hit a teacher. Apparently, in contravening everything we know about neuroscience and psychology, 3-year olds don't have temper tantrums and are capable of advanced thinking, so suspending them from school will teach them not to have them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/24/my-son-has-been-suspended-five-times-hes-3/

"White Schoolteachers view pictures of black children as being 4.5 years older than they actually are."
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/black-boys-older.aspx

School-to-prison Pipeline
https://www.aclu.org/school-prison-pipeline

I still don't understand why poor people choose to procreate. I can't afford kids so I don't have them.

Peter P says

I still don't understand why poor people choose to procreate. I can't afford kids so I don't have them.

It's the poor who procreate the most, no matter where you go.

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Peter P says

I still don't understand why poor people choose to procreate. I can't afford kids so I don't have them.

It's the poor who procreate the most, no matter where you go.

What else are they going to do between collecting welfare checks? It's not like they have a job to go to every day.

They could do lots of things:
Hold up a 7-11
Punch a cop
Steal a car
Sell some drugs
Go to McDonald's
Come on Call Crazy, where you been?

mmmarvel says

And a few bad cops does not mean that the majority are bad.

The fact that there are thousands of examples of police crimes that make the news every year shows that there aren't just a few bad apples.

Furthermore, as I stated, the stalking of officer Donna Jane Watts by 88 other cops proves that it's not just a few bad apples.

The whole "its a few bad apples" cop out is like saying, don't blame the Gestapo for the few bad apples in it.

SoftShell says

but a lot of sanctimonious dashes...

Speaking of grammar Nazis...

SoftShell says

Thank you for supporting every armed to the teeth teabagger/redneck.

I knew you'd come around eventually.

My support is contingent on those rednecks growing a pair of balls and using those guns to fight criminal cops. Last I checked, the cowboys were as big of pussies as Occupy Wall Street.

SoftShell says

No.

It will never happen to our family because we don't stupidly charge people with loaded weapons.

Dan8267 says

After all, it will never happen to your family. They are white.

Oh wait, so the 19-month-old baby charged the police and that's why the police threw a grenade into the baby's crib. Yeah, you're safe, dumbass.

PCGyver says

So you are saying we should obey cops as if they are criminals?

You should do what is necessary to survive. If that means placating the criminal cop until you or your buddy can shoot him in the head, so be it. A criminal cop should be treated like the terrorist he is. His life isn't worth more than you or your family's lives.

Strategist says

I have never ever been stopped without without good reason.

You haven't therefore no one has. Good logic. </sarcasm>

Strategist says

We should obey cops because it's the right thing to do.

Not when the cop tells you to stop filming. That's the wrong thing to do.

Dan8267 says

You haven't therefore no one has. Good logic.

As a white guy, I can assure that racism is a thing of the past.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

We should obey cops because it's the right thing to do.

Not when the cop tells you to stop filming. That's the wrong thing to do.

Why be a smart aleck and stir up trouble? Maybe you do have the right to film, but there are always exceptions to every rule. If you arrogantly keep standing up to cops, you will eventually get arrested, and maybe even shot.

Strategist says

Peter P says

I still don't understand why poor people choose to procreate. I can't afford kids so I don't have them.

It's the poor who procreate the most, no matter where you go.

Humanity is the first counter-evolutionary species. Charles Darwin never anticipated the power of welfare.

Strategist says

Why be a smart aleck and stir up trouble?

Again, you are making up Straw Man arguments. Silently recording the police from a distance is not being a smart aleck or interfering with an investigation. Period.

Every example I have given of police crimes did not involve a citizen trying to stir up trouble. You are making a bullshit argument and ignore the real world examples that contradict your assertions.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

mmmarvel says

And a few bad cops does not mean that the majority are bad.

The fact that there are thousands of examples of police crimes that make the news every year shows that there aren't just a few bad apples.

Out of over a million employed in Law Enforcement.... You can't even stretch it to 1%...

The vast majority of police crime never make the news.

And if the prosecutions I'm demanding are so damn few, then why are you so opposed to them?

As for evidence, you have already chosen to ignore the mass of evidence I've already presented. There is no evidence you would accept that shows the police in a bad light.

But hey, if I'm so damn wrong, you'd have no objection to every cop wearing a video camera while on duty or in possession of a gun or badge, and no problem with civilians recording every word and action of the police including covert recording, right?

I have provided dozens of linked articles in addition to videos from various local and national news programs. You are just trolling.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

I have provided dozens of linked articles in addition to videos from various local and national news programs. You are just trolling.

Dozens..... and a few videos... boy, that's a whole bunch...

Like I said:

Call it Crazy says

Out of over a million employed in Law Enforcement.... You can't even stretch it to 1%...

Nobody denies there are a few bad apples, but you're really pushing the envelope to try and convince us that it's a major problem.

While I don't want to get dragged into the legal nuances of this debate largely because some here are grossly informed over what 4th amendment rights they have and when (i.e. exigent circumstances, terry stops, hot pursuit doctrine, reasonable and articulate suspicion...) I will add this one factual nugget to color
your viewpoints:

This office has somewhere between 3,000 - 5,000 files where we have dashcam, jailcam, video of our client being detained, arrested, interrogated, etc. Every single one is reviewed mostly for procedural errors, (i.e. when did the investigative detention become a custodial interrogation? - At what point was the client Mirandized?) These issues do come up, probably 10% of the time, but otherwise, these videos are terribly boring, banal, routine interactions between authorities and the citizenry that no one would ever give a shit about.

Now, as to the sort of repulsive behavior which becomes the stuff of youtube videos that you guys are discussing here, I asked our paralegal, of the 3,000-5,000 videos he has seen, how many have risen to this level? His response "about 6 or 7".

Now to me, 6 or 7 out of several thousand would indeed suggest its more bad apples than anything, but I will let you gentlemen
decide. Carry on, good Counselors Bryan & Darrow!

CDon says

His response "about 6 or 7".

Sounds like the system isn't very effective. More than that make the news every hour.

Call it Crazy says

you're really pushing the envelope to try and convince us that it's a major problem.

Of course it's not a major problem to you because you haven't been on the receiving end of the crime. You lack the empathy to consider anybody else's suffering to be a major problem. Typical conservative.

Dan8267 says

Sounds like the system isn't very effective.

Believe me, as they are effectively million dollar lottery tickets, we search very very hard for them. As an incentive, paralegals are paid 10K bonuses for each one they find.