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Dan8267 says

Your logic is flawed. Nature, by definition, has to abide by natural laws. The interaction between any god and nature is, by definition, part of natural phenomenon and must obey all natural laws including all conservation laws and thus is subject to scientific scrutiny.

No cause is exterior to the effect, the universe. The effect manifests the causes' intention, but it is not the cause.

An analogy might be Patrick.net, Patrick creates this "universe" and can cause it to be created anyway he sees fit, he is not necessarily part of it.

Dan8267 says

So, it looks like indigenous's idea of the poster children of liberalism aren't at all liberal. What a surprise.

You are fucked up. Your own website rates Boxer and Pelosi as very liberal.
They may say Brown is moderate but considering how signed into law collective bargaining in 1971, and the huge onerous effect that has had on Calif he could not be considered anything but liberal, if not communist.

Dan8267 says

Elizabeth Warren

She is a rable rouser and says anything to get votes but has NO principles.

Watch how she make nice with Yellen moments after she interrogates Yellen,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYtSMLgaW6U

indigenous says

No cause

I'll gladly debate this in a thread of its own when I have time.

indigenous says

Your own website rates Boxer and Pelosi as very liberal.

Like all conservatives, you are a dumb add that understands nothing about math or engineering even when it is explained to you in words a seven-year-old could follow.

I've explained quite clearly what calculations OTI is using and why that model is not particularly helpful. I've also explained that the value in OTI is in the details of a politician's history, not in the graphic at the bottom of the page.

Furthermore, you are basing a conclusion on the English label assigned to a numeric data range. That's just foolish. How you measure something determines what you measure. How you label something means nothing.

Now I could overlook your ignorance if it wasn't for the fact that I explicitly gave you the necessary understanding before you spewed your ignorance.

Dan8267 says

I consider OTI's conclusion to be flawed because OTI's algorithm is simply adding up "liberal points" and subtracting "conservative points", which is not a valid mathematical model of politics. For example, let's say Hitler passed nine policies that were pro-Jewish and one policy, the Holocaust, which was anti-Jewish. That wouldn't make him 90% pro-Jewish. Straight out arithmetic may be simple, but it doesn't make it an appropriate model for everything.

Before some idiot than harks about how bad OTI must is, be aware that the value in OTI is the accurate recording of the facts, not the pretty picture at the bottom of the screen.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

indigenous says

She is a rable rouser and says anything to get votes but has NO principles.

Translation: As a conservative, I fear Elizabeth Warren more than anything else in the world.

Dan8267 says

I've explained quite clearly what calculations OTI is using and why that model is not particularly helpful. I've also explained that the value in OTI is in the details of a politician's history, not in the graphic at the bottom of the page.

Which is why Brown is not a centrist. Dan8267 says

You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

No you stupid mutt, if Pelosi utters the phrase "we have to pass it to see what is in it" on the most onerous bill passed in US history, or raises more money for the Democratic party than anyone in congress. No she is liberal as they come to think otherwise is beyond stupid.

Boxer is a mouth piece for the unions and one of the dumbest people in office. To think she is anything but a liberal is beyond stupid.

Dan8267 says

Translation: As a conservative, I fear Elizabeth Warren more than anything else in the world.

No she simply spews the buzz words, so the liberals love her, and as in the video demonstrates that she is a standard issue beltway whore.