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"Telepathy" experiment sends first mental message


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2014 Sep 4, 10:32am   21,827 views  107 comments

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http://news.yahoo.com/telepathy-experiment-sends-1st-mental-message-222701481.html

Washington (AFP) - For the first time, scientists have been able to send a simple mental message from one person to another without any contact between the two, thousands of miles apart in India and France.

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1   Tenpoundbass   2014 Sep 4, 11:36am  

What was for dinner?

2   HEY YOU   2014 Sep 4, 11:55am  

Democratic & Republican voters,are you receiving my two word message?

3   Peter P   2014 Sep 4, 12:06pm  

What am I thinking right now? I just sent you a message.

4   Rin   2014 Sep 4, 12:14pm  

Here's my message ...

5   Peter P   2014 Sep 4, 12:34pm  

Hmm... it was slightly more wholesome in my mind. Maybe you are reading my subconscious.

6   Rin   2014 Sep 4, 12:36pm  

Peter P says

Maybe you are reading my subconscious.

Regardless, she's in the business, if you happen to stop by in Montreal :-)

7   Ceffer   2014 Sep 4, 1:16pm  

When they said try a telepathy experiment that would make it really hard, I don't think that's what they meant.

But, it will do.

8   New Renter   2014 Sep 4, 1:23pm  

Rin says

Peter P says

Maybe you are reading my subconscious.

Regardless, she's in the business, if you happen to stop by in Montreal :-)

I dunno, it looks like she's about to go all "two girls one cup".

Hey if that's your thing you go right on ahead.

9   Peter P   2014 Sep 4, 1:30pm  

YUCK!!!

10   Ceffer   2014 Sep 4, 1:48pm  

New Renter says

I dunno, it looks like she's about to go all "two girls one cup".

I had to look that one up. EEEEEWWWWW!

Of course, unless it is about telekinetic poo flinging, in which case it would still be on topic.

11   Vicente   2014 Sep 4, 2:55pm  

Oh, this was Borg-implant sort of stuff. You got my hopes up.

Brainstorm already covered this ground. Recording this:

is likely to result in auto-repeat meaning unprofitable DEAD viewers.

12   Peter P   2014 Sep 4, 3:14pm  

We can all live in our own machine-induced lucid dreams.

All social problems solved.

13   lostand confused   2014 Sep 4, 5:09pm  

Now, who is putting this image in my head??

14   Peter P   2014 Sep 4, 5:24pm  

lostand confused says

Now, who is putting this image in my head??

The ice-cream truck?

15   zzyzzx   2014 Sep 4, 11:20pm  

Two people are thinking "Obama sucks" at the same time and it's considered a telepathy experiment now?

16   Rin   2014 Sep 5, 3:53am  

Ceffer says

New Renter says

I dunno, it looks like she's about to go all "two girls one cup".

I had to look that one up. EEEEEWWWWW!

Of course, unless it is about telekinetic poo flinging, in which case it would still be on topic.

Sigh ... fellas, check the JPEG link and give the agency a call.

17   Ceffer   2014 Sep 5, 4:02am  

Rin holds the title for Montreal Beaver Cleaver. Is anybody up to challenge him?

I say start a 90 day contest and may the best man win. It would have to be on the honor system, though, like bird watching.

Like the movie "The Big Year" but with hookers rather than birds.

18   Dan8267   2014 Sep 5, 4:04am  

Research led by experts at Harvard University shows technology can be used to transmit information from one person's brain to another's even, as in this case, if they are thousands of miles away.

It's called email, but I guess that doesn't sound as sexy. Typical press move, completely mislabel the title of an article to deceive the reader.

Yeah, reading EM waves precisely enough from a human brain to correlate them to text, images, and sounds would be a great technological achievement, but there is no reason to soil the reporting of that achievement by calling it telepathy. What's next, biologist insert a rhino gene into a horse and the press says Unicorns are real!

19   Rin   2014 Sep 5, 4:08am  

Ceffer says

I say start a 90 day contest and may the best man win. It would have to be on the honor system, though, like bird watching.

You're missing the point. The point is that my job is driving me nuts. The *beavers* are to unwind and relax.

It's fine food, exercise, some light reading, and a hard bo*nk, which makes a man's life.

20   New Renter   2014 Sep 5, 5:24am  

Dan8267 says

Research led by experts at Harvard University shows technology can be used to transmit information from one person's brain to another's even, as in this case, if they are thousands of miles away.

It's called email, but I guess that doesn't sound as sexy. Typical press move, completely mislabel the title of an article to deceive the reader.

Yeah, reading EM waves precisely enough from a human brain to correlate them to text, images, and sounds would be a great technological achievement, but there is no reason to soil the reporting of that achievement by calling it telepathy. What's next, biologist insert a rhino gene into a horse and the press says Unicorns are real!

Oh don't worry, I bet within our lifetimes we'll see embedded biosmartphones which will be the technological equivalent of telepathy.

21   Dan8267   2014 Sep 5, 6:05am  

New Renter says

Oh don't worry, I bet within our lifetimes we'll see embedded biosmartphones which will be the technological equivalent of telepathy.

True, but it won't be magic, it will be engineering. And it won't have anything to do with the fraudulent "telepaths" or psychics scamming for money today or yesterday.

22   mmmarvel   2014 Sep 5, 6:38am  

Rin says

Here's my message ...

Cheating - 99% of all heterosexual males had this thought. Actually we pretty much have this thoughts or similar ones 99% of the time. Now if you'd tried to thought transmit/project something like a WalMart or a KFC and THAT had gone through ... then you'd have something.

23   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 5, 7:18am  

telepathy is possible without ANY technology.

24   New Renter   2014 Sep 5, 7:56am  

The Original Bankster says

telepathy is possible without ANY technology.

I hate to break it to you but those voices in your head is not telepathy.
It is also common for people to hear voices as if they are thoughts entering their mind from somewhere outside themselves. This is not the same as a suddenly inspired idea, which people usually recognise as coming from themselves. These thoughts are not their own and would seem to come from outside their own consciousness, like telepathy.
http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-a-z/H/hearing-voices/

25   Rin   2014 Sep 5, 8:01am  

mmmarvel says

Cheating - 99% of all heterosexual males had this thought. Actually we pretty much have this thoughts or similar ones 99% of the time.

I'm single, thus no cheating.

I am a serial bo*nker!

26   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 5, 8:05am  

New Renter says

I hate to break it to you but those voices in your head is not telepathy.

I would have guessed you would have used this comment to establish that I was insane or mentally deficient somehow.

The fact is there's a lot more to who we are than is accepted by science. I've witnessed telepathy many times.

27   Tenpoundbass   2014 Sep 5, 8:22am  

This is no different than one of the first tweets that was sent was a guy rigged up a gas detection probe to detect every time he farted, and tweet it out.

'cept this is at the other end.

The thoughts aren't being transmitted just that the signal that a thought was made. Dinner with schmucks perhaps.

28   Rin   2014 Sep 5, 8:32am  

Dan8267 says

And it won't have anything to do with the fraudulent "telepaths" or psychics scamming for money today or yesterday.

A true psychic will be an elite prop trader, not a 900 number.

The fact that there are traders who choose one Fibonacci number/level vs another, whereas the vast majority lose money 60% to 80% of the time, perhaps implies that some folks do have some intuitive ability over others.

I can already see that with our own in-house props, who basically, only use our software to get their setups in order. Whenever they pull the proverbial trigger for real, it's their own instincts which make the final call. More often than not, they're right.

29   Peter P   2014 Sep 5, 8:41am  

Rin says

The fact that there are traders who choose one Fibonacci number/level vs another, whereas the vast majority lose money 60% to 80% of the time, perhaps implies that some folks do have some intuitive ability over others.

Intuition is very important in trading. Even if you are "100%" quant, you still need to "know" if your model is broken.

Rin says

I can already see that with our own in-house props, who basically, only use our software to get their setups in order. Whenever they pull the proverbial trigger for real, it's their own instincts which make the final call. More often than not, they're right.

Some people are really in tune with order flow and price action. Intuition beats all junk technical indicators, which are really a lagged view of the same price action anyway.

We are all quite intuitive. Some just choose to tune it out more so than others.

Fibonacci numbers (or whatever crap "idiot" waves) can still work if you can intuit the right perspective. But instinct is still the main P&L driver.

30   Rin   2014 Sep 5, 8:45am  

Peter P says

Fibonacci numbers (or whatever crap "idiot" waves) can still work if you can intuit the right perspective. But instinct is still the main P&L driver.

All these tools, at least from my firm's perspective is simply to assigned some risk coefficient. Ultimately, we knew that we needed some talented prop traders, to bring home the actual bacon.

The real-time risk assessment model is more a part of our sales/BS artistry motif for portfolio managers and such.

Of course, for a while there, it was also assigning successful trades but that's was a short lived phenomena. We were aware of that fact, ahead of time.

31   turtledove   2014 Sep 5, 8:50am  

zzyzzx says

Two people are thinking "Obama sucks" at the same time and it's considered a telepathy experiment now?

Double telepathy! I knew you were gunna say that.

32   Peter P   2014 Sep 5, 9:00am  

Rin says

The real-time risk assessment model is more a part of our sales/BS artistry motif for portfolio managers and such.

Do you guys use metrics like Sharpe-ratio or Sortino-ratio?

33   Rin   2014 Sep 5, 9:07am  

Peter P says

Rin says

The real-time risk assessment model is more a part of our sales/BS artistry motif for portfolio managers and such.

Do you guys use metrics like Sharpe-ratio or Sortino-ratio?

Not for real-time stuff. Those are reports for portfolio managers, after the fact.

The real-time stuff is a type of trade secret which mixes some phase boundary notions (out of applied chemistry) and fuzzy controller theory.

The props use that, mainly to split up their order sizes and so-forth. Ultimately, they only rely on themselves for trading.

34   Peter P   2014 Sep 5, 9:09am  

Rin says

The real-time stuff is a type of trade secret which mixes some phase boundary notions (out of applied chemistry) and fuzzy controller theory.

I see. Order-sizing is just as important anyway. :-)

35   Rin   2014 Sep 5, 9:13am  

Peter P says

Rin says

The real-time stuff is a type of trade secret which mixes some phase boundary notions (out of applied chemistry) and fuzzy controller theory.

I see. Order-sizing is just as important anyway. :-)

Sometimes, it can be used to determine an exact sort of trade but as time went by, it was better to limit its use for risk assessment. Of course, when this company first started, it was very successful in giving good trading signals. Today, it's been parred back a lot.

36   Peter P   2014 Sep 5, 9:18am  

Rin says

Of course, when this company first started, it was very successful in giving good trading signals. Today, it's been parred back a lot.

Almost all mechanical trading systems break over time. The market is very good at finding relative efficiency.

In the end, it still takes an intuitive trader to make money.

37   New Renter   2014 Sep 5, 9:22am  

The Original Bankster says

New Renter says

I hate to break it to you but those voices in your head is not telepathy.

I would have guessed you would have used this comment to establish that I was insane or mentally deficient somehow.

The fact is there's a lot more to who we are than is accepted by science. I've witnessed telepathy many times.

I thin we're all witnessing something here:

38   Peter P   2014 Sep 5, 9:25am  

The Original Bankster says

The fact is there's a lot more to who we are than is accepted by science. I've witnessed telepathy many times.

You should drive over to Sedona. That environment is very conducive to new experiences.

39   New Renter   2014 Sep 5, 9:50am  

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

The fact is there's a lot more to who we are than is accepted by science. I've witnessed telepathy many times.

You should drive over to Sedona. That environment is very conducive to new experiences.

Don't forget to pack your "telepathy" kit:

40   Dan8267   2014 Sep 5, 10:43am  

Rin says

A true psychic will be an elite prop trader, not a 900 number.

A true psychic would not waste his times on stock when lottery tickets offer a 1,000,000,000% return.

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