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HeadSet says

AD says

does not freeze up and crash using a browser (Firefox, Chrome, etc) like a Windows computer

I have been using Windows computers for years, crashes are rare.

You are lucky then. Never had a Windows machine that didn't need a restart weekly. I'll never buy anything with Windows installed on it. Partially I don't like it and there's the Bill Gates factor. I'm sure he still gets residuals from it. I ain't giving that creep any of my money. I don't fund pedophiles as far as I'm aware of.

Almost a decade into my iMac. No issues. When I was in my younger PC/Windows phase I'd have to dump them every 3 years. Lost a decade of photos that were unrecoverable. Even took it to a place to try and recover. I'll never own a windows OS machine again in my life. I'd definitely would never rely on it for business.

10 out of 10 times there's an issue at a business I visit, it's because of Windows fucking up. Not being hyperbolic either.

WookieMan says

Almost a decade into my iMac. No issues.

That is what I figured as iMac's including Apple Mini Mac are very stable as Apple has a lot more control over its product's hardware, operating system, and software.

I am wondering if I should wait as I heard that Apple is coming out with a new Mini Mac this month. Maybe that will help to lower price of its older models.
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AD says

I am wondering if I should wait as I heard that Apple is coming out with a new Mini Mac this month. Maybe that will help to lower price of its older models.

I'd check out used right now unless you need a lot of processing. In 2024 internet speed is more important than computer specs, unless you're using it for music, media, video, photos, etc. editing type stuff. That's chip and RAM important in those realms.

I was recording and doing photo editing when I got it. Now it's overkill for what I do. I will be starting to record again though. Maybe a lot in 8-9 months. Might sell it and get a Mac pro rack mount. That will last 10 years.

I won't trust a windows machine and am too lazy to mess around with linux and other bull shit like that. I would bash Apple users up until about 2006. Got one and only one other (not phones or tablets, though have them). MacBook, still works and my current iMac. Pushing 20 years on 2 computers. Done a ton of shit with them. Made good money using them. Never failed me.

Went through multiple PC's with windows every 2-3 years. It's a trash OS. Had used is from 1995-2006. Maybe it's better now. Everyone I know still has issues with them. It's also just a shit interface and Explorer as a browser can eat a dick.

My wife has a new Mac laptop.

I needed to create a new account for a website, and was using my wife's new Mac. The Mac immediately filled in the "create password" field with a supposedly random password of Apple's choosing! WTF? As if I would trust Apple to forget that password.

So I said no, and entered a password that only I know.

Then the Mac said "Would you like to store your new password in iCloud?"

Holy shit. No, I do not want to give you my fucking password, Apple.

Patrick says

My wife has a new Mac laptop.

I needed to create a new account for a website, and was using my wife's new Mac. The Mac immediately filled in the "create password" field with a supposedly random password of Apple's choosing! WTF? As if I would trust Apple to forget that password.

So I said no, and entered a password that only I know.

Then the Mac said "Would you like to store your new password in iCloud?"

Holy shit. No, I do not want to give you my fucking password, Apple.

Not just Apple.

Is the world full of morons who just go along with that?

No need to answer.

Patrick says

Is the world full of morons who just go along with that?

I can see why some people would use stored passwords for paying the gas bill or a coupon reward site, even though never for a bank or brokerage account.

I don't think Apple saves the strong passwords Safari generates; however you can save it if you want to.

I wasn't on Safari. I was using Brave.

So I think the password came from Apple itself.

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I bought my son an iPad a couple of years back. I wanted to transfer ownership of the iPad to my son, so I called customer support. I have no other Apple devices - always a Windows/Linux guy.

I went through about 2 hours of conversation before it dawned on the service rep that the iPad was the only device in the household. In order to transfer ownership of an Apple device to another person, you had to have another Apple device to initiate the transfer.

WTF?

Nice gatekeeping, Apple.

I mentioned on another post a while back that Apple was censoring emails related to the clot shot and ivermectin.

Apple is no angel.

stereotomy says

I bought my son an iPad a couple of years back. I wanted to transfer ownership of the iPad to my son, so I called customer support. I have no other Apple devices - always a Windows/Linux guy.

I went through about 2 hours of conversation before it dawned on the service rep that the iPad was the only device in the household. In order to transfer ownership of an Apple device to another person, you had to have another Apple device to initiate the transfer.

A visit to their brick-and-mortar store would solve it in much shorter time.

https://slaynews.com/news/dni-gabbard-warned-uk-order-backdoor-apple-data-puts-americans-risk/

Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard has received a warning about an order from the UK government demanding backdoor access to data from American tech giant Apple.

DNI Gabbard received the warning in a bipartisan letter from congressional lawmakers.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) penned a letter to Gabbard warning that the United Kingdom‘s reported new order jeopardizes Americans.

The letter referenced recent press reports that the UK’s home secretary “served Apple with a secret order last month, directing the company to weaken the security of its iCloud backup service to facilitate government spying.”

The directive reportedly requires the company to weaken the encryption of its iCloud backup service.

The UK government is pressuring Apple to grant it the “blanket capability” to access customers’ encrypted files.

Reports further state that the order was issued under the UK’s Investigatory Powers Act 2016.

The act is commonly known as the “Snoopers’ Charter” and it does not require a judge’s approval.

“Apple is reportedly gagged from acknowledging that it received such an order, and the company faces criminal penalties that prevent it from even confirming to the U.S. Congress the accuracy of these press reports,” Wyden and Biggs note.

Patrick says

The letter referenced recent press reports that the UK’s home secretary “served Apple with a secret order last month, directing the company to weaken the security of its iCloud backup service to facilitate government spying.”

Just do not keep any cloud servers in British territories.

So the British government can arrest people for reading memes.

Apple is showing it's utter lack of principles here. It should tell the UK to fuck off. This would not only be the principled stand, but it would gain loyal customers.

Right now, it's obvious that you cannot trust Apple's security.

Apple (AAPL) is the most negatively U.S. tech company by Trump's "tariff economic Armageddon," given its massive manufacturing exposure to China, said Ives. 
With 90% of iPhones produced in China, over 50% of Mac products, and 75%-80% of iPads, Ives labelled the newly announced tariffs are a "complete disaster" for the Cupertino-based giant. 
"The reality is it would take 3 years and $30 billion dollars in our estimation to move even 10% of its supply chain from Asia to the U.S. with major disruption in the process," said Ives. 
Ives does not believe it would be possible for Apple (AAPL) to build a $1,000 iPhone in the U.S., with a domestically manufactured iPhone expected to sell for $3500. 

RWSGFY says

Ives does not believe it would be possible for Apple (AAPL) to build a $1,000 iPhone in the U.S., with a domestically manufactured iPhone expected to sell for $3500.

Then Apple will pay the tariff and make less per phone, as that $1,000 is what the market will bear. Very few will pay $3500 for an iPhone.

For under $2000 I bought a used Dell Xeon 12 core workstation, put in 256 GB ECC RAM, set up a 4X1GB NVME RAID 0 main drive, along with a 10 TB backup.

The used hulk of the workstation itself cost $500.

WFT is with the insane price of phones?

GuruFocus "fair value" prices for

Apple: $193.52

Amazon: $167.90

Google (class A shares): $172.28

They all are undervalued or fairly valued now after at least a +27% drop in stock price.

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Apple markets itself as an upscale brand. It still has a cult following just like upper middle class in the USA will buy BMW and Mercedes.

About 55% of Apple sales come from the iPhone. Apple needs to diversify just like Google and Amazon is diversifying.

I can get by with a $150 Chromebook, a $45 Motorola Moto G cell phone, and a $40 ONN Android tablet.

But I noticed Apple is driving down the price of its very capable Mini Mac and its Mini IPad is a good value also.

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stereotomy says

For under $2000 I bought a used Dell Xeon 12 core workstation, put in 256 GB ECC RAM, set up a 4X1GB NVME RAID 0 main drive, along with a 10 TB backup.

The used hulk of the workstation itself cost $500.

WFT is with the insane price of phones?

I doubt you would be OK with hauling around a phone the size of Dell workstation.

HeadSet says

Then Apple will pay the tariff and make less per phone

Sure. And many companies will do the same. Which means less profits. Which means less capital to invest in the re-shoring. Looks like we don't really want that manufacturing coming back after all....

Eric Holder says

HeadSet says

Then Apple will pay the tariff and make less per phone

Sure. And many companies will do the same. Which means less profits. Which means less capital to invest in the re-shoring. Looks like we don't really want that manufacturing coming back after all....

they are already starting that 500B investment. all big boys knew tariffs were coming.

Eric Holder says

stereotomy says

For under $2000 I bought a used Dell Xeon 12 core workstation, put in 256 GB ECC RAM, set up a 4X1GB NVME RAID 0 main drive, along with a 10 TB backup.

The used hulk of the workstation itself cost $500.

WFT is with the insane price of phones?

I doubt you would be OK with hauling around a phone the size of Dell workstation.

I doubt I'd enjoy code development on a computer the size of my smartphone with no physical keyboard to boot.

Eric Holder says

And many companies will do the same. Which means less profits.

Which probably means lower stock market returns going forward, but probably not much. If you were planning on retiring on supposedly 10% average annual returns on growth stocks you are stupid anyway and should have bought divided paying stocks (or at least have enough dividend paying stocks in your portfolio and the rest growth stocks).

stereotomy says

Eric Holder says

stereotomy says

For under $2000 I bought a used Dell Xeon 12 core workstation, put in 256 GB ECC RAM, set up a 4X1GB NVME RAID 0 main drive, along with a 10 TB backup.

The used hulk of the workstation itself cost $500.

WFT is with the insane price of phones?

I doubt you would be OK with hauling around a phone the size of Dell workstation.

I doubt I'd enjoy code development on a computer the size of my smartphone with no physical keyboard to boot.

What the point comparing apples with oranges then? Your workstation doesn't require minituarization, has no screen, no cameras, no antennas, no battery, doesn't contain any premium materials like Gorilla glass and stainless steel or titanium and it's built on older, more commoditized tech. And it serves different purpose, caters to a different market, etc., etc., etc.

Eric Holder says

HeadSet says

Then Apple will pay the tariff and make less per phone

Sure. And many companies will do the same. Which means less profits. Which means less capital to invest in the re-shoring. Looks like we don't really want that manufacturing coming back after all....

So, companies will not reshore unless they are allowed to keep production offshore? Catch 22, eh?

HeadSet says

, companies will not reshore unless they are allowed to keep production offshore? Catch 22, eh?

Yeah. The sheer retardation posted on this subject (by two PatNatters in particular) is truly astounding to witness.

I think they are trolling as nobody can be this stupid.

I wonder if Apple would just make 1/2 the profit it currently does if it manufactured in the USA.
I don't know what the profit margin is, but it must be high.

clambo says

I wonder if Apple would just make 1/2 the profit it currently does if it manufactured in the USA.
I don't know what the profit margin is, but it must be high.

They could make in the USA and make a good profit even on the low end like the Mini Mac and Mini iPad, which I consider these 2 as the affordable Apple products for the middle working class.

Apple just has to cut fat and waste within its company like getting rid of the blue hairs and dead wood.

I wonder if it could make at least a 10% profit making (or at least assembling) the mini Mac in the USA.

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Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick says he hopes Trump’s tariffs will eliminate China’s ‘army of millions and millions of human beings screwing in little, little screws to make iPhones’ so they can be built in America by robots

https://fortune.com/2025/04/07/howard-lutnick-iphones-america-apple-tariffs/

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The labor cost of assembling an I-phone is about $25-30.

The cost at American wages is what $150-200 ????? - And that's before extra automation.

I think Apple has a little wiggle room as far as margins, R&D etc.

Misc says

The labor cost of assembling an I-phone is about $25-30.

The cost at American wages is what $150-200 ????? - And that's before extra automation.

I think Apple has a little wiggle room as far as margins, R&D etc.

how much of an equal or similar comparison is there with labor costs if the Chinese workers get free housing, food and healthcare ?

and are those costs subsidized by the Chicom government ?

but Apple would still make a considerable profit even if it shifted production to the USA

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HeadSet says

Eric Holder says

HeadSet says

Then Apple will pay the tariff and make less per phone

Sure. And many companies will do the same. Which means less profits. Which means less capital to invest in the re-shoring. Looks like we don't really want that manufacturing coming back after all....

So, companies will not reshore unless they are allowed to keep production offshore? Catch 22, eh?

No catch: keep off-shore production and current level of revenues while their new factories are being built here. Smooth transition vs mad scramble.

they moved a lot to India from China, foxconn has factories in India. India gonna replace all US service jobs and manufacturing long term unless we fix this idiot path.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

they moved a lot to India from China, foxconn has factories in India. India gonna replace all US service jobs and manufacturing long term unless we fix this idiot path.

China obstructs India’s manufacturing rise with Foxconn bans

Beijing is playing hard ball, while Indonesia takes Apple to task and the US goes after Tencent

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-supplier-foxconns-efforts-iphones-193041410.html

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RWSGFY says

HeadSet says

Eric Holder says

HeadSet says

Then Apple will pay the tariff and make less per phone

Sure. And many companies will do the same. Which means less profits. Which means less capital to invest in the re-shoring. Looks like we don't really want that manufacturing coming back after all....

So, companies will not reshore unless they are allowed to keep production offshore? Catch 22, eh?

No catch: keep off-shore production and current level of revenues while their new factories are being built here. Smooth transition vs mad scramble.

Correct, Apple do not have to make 80% profit on phone, garment companies in Cambodia also. With less profit abroad, room for competitors is just opening, and who going be the winners - we, the consumers.

With 104% wig on everything there will be no 80% profit. And revenues will be in the toilet too. So they will have to build new factories while taking in significantly less $$. Great recipy! 🤡

Apple. Bye, bye China profit. Now all start to make sense. Trump told you so.