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283   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 8:17am  

Patrick says
@Aphroman Since Democrats developed an obsession with tranny bathrooms and various other divisive distractions from the real issues.

Sure, Republicans have always been the business party, but now with Trump, amazingly, they represent the concerns of labor much better than Democrats do.

The Democratic Party has forgotten its reason for existence.


It's funny that the only people I hear worried about Tranny bathrooms are always Republicans
284   FortWayne   2018 Sep 21, 8:18am  

Who is giving out licenses to illegals in CA? Hint, not Republicans.

Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
LeonDurham says
Which policies are those exactly?


Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.


Where is your proof for your statement?
285   mell   2018 Sep 21, 8:26am  

Patrick says
LeonDurham says
Which policies are those exactly?


Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.


You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.
286   mell   2018 Sep 21, 8:51am  

Rocketmanjoe says
Who hired the illegal immigrant that killed Mollie Tibbetts


Irrelevant. Trump is fighting illegal immigration, the party affiliation of perpetrators is irrelevant. Just because the Trump admin is finally cleaning this up doesn't mean all Republican voters are angels and follow the law. Everybody hiring illegals should and will be prosecuted/fined hard.
287   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 9:02am  

mell says
You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.


Seriously. This is a trolling pattern for Democrats/Leftists here.

Logical Person: "Democrats support illegal immigration."

Democrat: "Uh really? lol what policies support that statement?"

Logical Person: "How about sanctuary cities?"

*democrat disappears from the thread*
288   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 10:18am  

Rocketmanjoe says

What exactly is wrong with a local government not doing federal government work?


I think you mean a local government subverting Federal work, that would be the correct word to use.

289   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 10:24am  

mell says
You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.


Wrong--it's been deflected many times. I'm looking for a Democrat that is on record saying they are PRO illegal immigration. Since all the Trump cultists here claim ALL Dems feel this way, I assume it would be very easy.

Because I can show the exact opposite. Dem after Dem voting to increase border security.
290   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 10:26am  

Goran_K says
Seriously. This is a trolling pattern for Democrats/Leftists here.

Logical Person: "Democrats support illegal immigration."

Democrat: "Uh really? lol what policies support that statement?"

Logical Person: "How about sanctuary cities?"

*democrat disappears from the thread*


Oh, I'm still here.

Sanctuary cities is about treating people humanely. Not border security.

The goal is to stop people from entering illegally.
291   mell   2018 Sep 21, 10:31am  

Goran_K says
I think you mean a local government subverting Federal work, that would be the correct word to use.


Makes me sick every-time I see this, such a beautiful full-of-life girl. And this asshole got fucking acquitted.
292   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 10:35am  

Rocketmanjoe says
The goal is to stop people from entering illegally.


And stop people from being employed illegally. Why no e-verify?


And why no criminal prosecutions of CEOs that hire illegals?
293   mell   2018 Sep 21, 10:49am  

Rocketmanjoe says
Goran_K says
I think you mean a local government subverting Federal work


Is that not orange that the guy is wearing? Did he not get tried? What sanctuary City policy was used to subvert his day in court?

*Libertarian disappears from the thread*


Sanctuary policy prevented him to get deported because SC do not report illegals to ICE - Kate could be alive today! The blood of Kate Steinle is on every defender of sanctuary cities. Then he was acquitted for murder.
294   FortWayne   2018 Sep 21, 11:28am  

Reagan created eVerify back in the 80s, to combat illegal hiring.

Rocketmanjoe says
FortWayne says
Who is giving out licenses to illegals in CA? Hint, not Republicans.


Who is not making e-verify the law of the land? Hint both Democrats and more over Republicans since they have the majority in both the house and the Senate.

Who is hiring unskilled foreign labor? Hint, Trump. Guess he doesn't love Americans enough to only hire Americans.
295   mell   2018 Sep 21, 11:33am  

Rocketmanjoe says
mell says
The blood of Kate Steinle is on every


The blood of Mollie Tibbetts is on every Republican law maker and support of Republican law makers.


bullshit. somebody broke the law and hired an illegal. Leftists and Dems DEFY federal law openly and pass local governances to hinder federal law enforcement and collaboration of LEOs! not even the same ballpark, not even the same fucking league.
296   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 12:07pm  

Aphroman says
What has changed from the eight years of Obama’s presidency?


A lot of us are much, much wealthier since the Muslim left office.
297   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 12:22pm  

LeonDurham says
Sanctuary cities is about treating people humanely.


How do sanctuary city policies accomplish that?
298   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 12:28pm  

Goran_K says


How do sanctuary city policies accomplish that?


"Sanctuary city (French: ville sanctuaire, Spanish: ciudad santuario) refers to municipal jurisdictions, typically in North America and Western Europe, that limit their cooperation with the national government's effort to enforce immigration law. Leaders of sanctuary cities want to reduce the fear of deportation and possible family break-up among people who are in the country illegally, so that such people will be more willing to report crimes, use health and social services, and enroll their children in school. In the United States, municipal policies include prohibiting police or city employees from questioning people about their immigration status and refusing requests by national immigration authorities to detain people beyond their release date, if they were jailed for breaking local law.[1] Such policies can be set expressly in law (de jure) or observed in practice (de facto), but the designation "sanctuary city" does not have a precise legal definition. The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimated in 2018 that more than 500 U.S. jurisdictions, including states and municipalities, had adopted sanctuary policies.[2]
Studies on the relationship between sanctuary status and crime have found that sanctuary policies either have no effect on crime or that sanctuary cities have lower crime rates and stronger economies than comparable non-sanctuary cities.[3][4][5][6] Opponents of sanctuary cities argue that cities should assist the national government in enforcing immigration law. Supporters of sanctuary cities argue that enforcement of national law is not the duty of localities.[7] Legal opinions vary on whether immigration enforcement by local police is constitutional.[8] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city
299   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 1:25pm  

LeonDurham says
Studies on the relationship between sanctuary status and crime have found that sanctuary policies either have no effect on crime


Not that "wikipedia" isn't a reliable source or anything....... so how did they determine this? Can you actually explain the study?
300   Goran_K   2018 Sep 21, 1:26pm  

Rocketmanjoe says
I didn't know Bush was a Muslim.


He wasn't.

This guy was.

301   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 5:26pm  

Democrats are very generous to illegals:

Karthick Ramakrishnan, a public policy professor at UC Riverside, calls what's emerging "the California package": an array of policies that touch on nearly every aspect of immigrant life, from healthcare to higher education to protection from federal immigration enforcement.

Other states have adopted components of the package; Connecticut, for example, offers in-state tuition and driver's licenses, and passed legislation known as the Trust Act to help limit deportations before California did.

But Ramakrishnan said California is unique in how comprehensive its offerings are.

Most of these laws were passed after 2000, and became especially plentiful after 2012, when President Obama took executive action that shielded from deportation people who were brought to the country illegally.

California was one of the first states to authorize driver's licenses for those affected by Obama's order; two years later, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law enabling all immigrants in the U.S. illegally to seek licenses. The same year, the state expanded in-state tuition for more students in the country illegally and allowed people without legal status to obtain law and other professional licenses.


http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-immigrant-rights-20150811-story.html
302   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 5:37pm  

Answer: because CEOs are well connected and donate to the right people. It's systemic corruption.

So I agree that we absolutely need to make CEOs responsible for ensuring that all of their workforce is in the country legally, even though US citizens cost more to employ.
303   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 5:40pm  

jazz_music says
Mostly his staff has made all the real accomplishments.


Woah, careful, getting close to admitting Trump has accomplishments!

His staff was hired by him to do those thing under his direction.
304   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 5:44pm  

LeonDurham says
Sanctuary cities is about treating people humanely.


@LeonDurham Sanctuary cities are about undercutting wages for the poorest US citizens.

Even if you disagree about why some cities are inviting in illegals, the effect is the same: immense harm and deeper poverty for the poorest US citizen. What about treating them humanely instead?
305   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 6:09pm  

LeonDurham says
It's funny that the only people I hear worried about Tranny bathrooms are always Republicans


Gee, Obama seemed quite worried about tranny bathrooms, and I'm pretty sure he's a Democrat:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/politics/obama-administration-to-issue-decree-on-transgender-access-to-school-restrooms.html

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is planning to issue a sweeping directive telling every public school district in the country to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity.

A letter to school districts will go out Friday, adding to a highly charged debate over transgender rights in the middle of the administration’s legal fight with North Carolina over the issue. The declaration — signed by Justice and Education department officials — will describe what schools should do to ensure that none of their students are discriminated against.

It does not have the force of law, but it contains an implicit threat: Schools that do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid.

The move is certain to draw fresh criticism, particularly from Republicans, that the federal government is wading into local matters and imposing its own values on communities across the country that may not agree. It represents the latest example of the Obama administration using a combination of policies, lawsuits and public statements to change the civil rights landscape for gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people.
306   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 6:19pm  

jazz_music says
Appreciate my point that the politics of inequality have ransacked our nation and will continue until we FORCE it to stop.


@jazz_music My friend, we agree.

Sure, both parties are infested by servants of our owners, and they do what they can to make our owners richer at our expense, mostly by driving down wages via the export of jobs and import of illegals.

Trump is just about the only politician out there who is pointing these things out. I don't care about his personal flaws as long as he keeps up the pressure and the economy keeps rolling like it is.
307   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 6:29pm  

Patrick says
Sanctuary cities are about undercutting wages for the poorest US citizens.

Even if you disagree about why some cities are inviting in illegals, the effect is the same: immense harm and deeper poverty for the poorest US citizen. What about treating them humanely instead?


I've yet to see anyone respond to the reality that illegal immigrants consume as well as produce so they really aren't that much of a drain, if at all.

Automation, on the other hand, produces without consuming and is therefore a much bigger cause of poverty than immigrants. Automation drives wealth to the top and starves the bottom. Government's job should be to counteract this natural tendency of capitalism.
308   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 6:34pm  

LeonDurham says
I've yet to see anyone respond to the reality that illegal immigrants consume as well as produce so they really aren't that much of a drain, if at all.


Uh, what do you think happens to the wages of the poor if their area gets flooded by illegals willing to work for less than the minimum wage?
309   barrister   2018 Sep 21, 6:50pm  

LeonDurham says
Rocketmanjoe says
The goal is to stop people from entering illegally.


And stop people from being employed illegally. Why no e-verify?


And why no criminal prosecutions of CEOs that hire illegals?


what about restaurant owners?

hotel chains?
310   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 7:14pm  

Patrick says

Uh, what do you think happens to the wages of the poor if their area gets flooded by illegals willing to work for less than the minimum wage?


And what happens to the wages of people making the things that the illegals consume?
311   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 7:14pm  

barrister says
what about restaurant owners?

hotel chains?


Yep--prosecute them too.
312   HeadSet   2018 Sep 21, 7:32pm  

As a uniter and not a divider, I would like to point out a policy I think we can all agree on:

LeonDurham, barrister, Jazz_music, rocketmanjoe, Patrick, Goran_K, Aphroman - are we all for the rigid enforcement of E-Verify?
313   HeadSet   2018 Sep 21, 7:38pm  

Automation drives wealth to the top and starves the bottom. Government's job should be to counteract this natural tendency of capitalism.

That is the definition of a Luddite. Beside, all sectors of US society are richer now than they ever were, and we are more automated now than we have ever been.
314   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 21, 7:44pm  

HeadSet says
That is the definition of a Luddite. Beside, all sectors of US society are richer now than they ever were, and we are more automated now than we have ever been.


No, it is not. It is a fact. The cost savings from automation accrue to the owners. This isn't a moral judgment, it's reality. And I'm not advocating that we stop progress, only that we need to acknowledge the side effects of it and develop policies to counteract those effects.

Real wages for the bottom 50% of Americans have been flat for 40 years while income for the top 1% has grown exponentially.
315   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 8:47pm  

HeadSet says
LeonDurham, barrister, Jazz_music, rocketmanjoe, Patrick, Goran_K, Aphroman - are we all for the rigid enforcement of E-Verify?


Yes, absolutely.
316   Patrick   2018 Sep 21, 8:55pm  

LeonDurham says
And what happens to the wages of people making the things that the illegals consume?


A large fraction of the wages of illegals goes not to consumption, but straight to Mexico as remittances.
317   HeadSet   2018 Sep 21, 9:00pm  

Real wages for the bottom 50% of Americans have been flat for 40 years while income for the top 1% has grown exponentially.

And you do not think that allowing millions of unskilled illegal immigrants over that 40 years has anything to do with it? If it was all about "automation," then those illegals would not have found work. And if you really wanted to develop a policy to deal with this, then rigid E-Verify is an obvious choice.
318   HeadSet   2018 Sep 21, 9:12pm  

Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
A large fraction


How large?
A larger amount is remitted by legal immigrants and H2B visa holders like the ones who work at Trump's Mar a Lago.


For the H2B and legal immigrants to be remitting more money to Mexico, there must be more of them than illegals. But don't illegals vastly outnumber the legal immigrants?
319   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 22, 7:30am  

Patrick says

A large fraction of the wages of illegals goes not to consumption, but straight to Mexico as remittances.


I imagine it's a similar fraction as what gets saved by US citizens. Bottom line--illegals consume and produce.

HeadSet says
And you do not think that allowing millions of unskilled illegal immigrants over that 40 years has anything to do with it? If it was all about "automation," then those illegals would not have found work. And if you really wanted to develop a policy to deal with this, then rigid E-Verify is an obvious choice.


Maybe a small part, but like I said-illegals consume as well as produce. Does having babies cause wages to go down?

And I'm fine with E-Verify. It's not perfect, but fine with me
320   Patrick   2018 Sep 22, 10:35am  

Illegals not only knock down wages for the poorest Americans, they also greatly increase the strain on police and emergency rooms without paying, and then drain billions by simply shipping it home.

http://www.cairco.org/issues/remittances

321   LeonDurham   2018 Sep 22, 10:41am  

Patrick says
Illegals not only knock down wages for the poorest Americans, they also greatly increase the strain on police and emergency rooms without paying, and then drain billions by simply shipping it home.


Mostly not true-they pay the taxes that support police. They ship home what Americans save. Consumption is mostly the same.
322   mell   2018 Sep 22, 11:43am  

Good answer/explanation.

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