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Darn, I would have guessed that the first 6 were things Dan tries to stick in his #7...

One cannot stick grammar up an ass. And what does it mean to stick "revive" and "uneven" up one's ass? You are truly retarded.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 23, 1:54pm

http://riddlesbrainteasers.com/banana-dresser-grammar/

Not bad, yet you remain so ignorant on the important stuff?

I don't. You're just a dumb ass who cannot accept any evidence that contradicts your political or economic faiths. When evidence contradicts your beliefs, instead of changing your beliefs like a rational person would, you simply harden your beliefs. This is called The Backfire Effect and it applies to all lesser minds, which unfortunately is the majority of our species. Of course, the dumber members of our species, which are typically conservative and religious, are even more prone to this effect.

NPR covers the Backfire Effect in its podcast In Politics, Sometimes The Facts Don't Matter. Unfortunately, conservatives like you are incapable of listening to informative sources like NPR. It would be nice if you actually broke out of that stupid bubble you conservatives live in and listened to the NPR broadcast, but that requires opening that closed mind of yours. And if you're really ballsy, read When Corrections Fail: The persistence of political misperceptions.

A perfect example of the Backfire Effect is climate change deniers. No amount of evidence will convince them that man-made climate change is real because they have chosen to accept the lie over the truth. Ideology is more important than truth to dumb individuals.

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curious2 2015 Mar 23, 1:59pm

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 23, 3:25pm

Dan8267 says

A perfect example of the Backfire Effect is climate change Alarmists. No amount of evidence will convince them that man-made climate change is Fake because they have chosen to accept the lie over the truth. Ideology is more important than truth to dumb individuals.

See how easy that is to correct your comment the way it should be?

Deliberately misquoting a person isn't a substantive argument, dumb ass.

Once again CIC demonstrates the type of fool who is a climate change denier.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 23, 4:03pm

I guess CIC always needs to have the last word no matter how stupid what he says sounds.

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indigenous 2015 Mar 23, 4:26pm

I don't. You're just a dumb ass who cannot accept any evidence that contradicts your political or economic faiths.

Examples please.

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indigenous 2015 Mar 23, 4:29pm

You see Dan you are not as stupid as you are brainwashed, your psychobabble is just a projection and strikes at the core reason you cannot adopt new information as encountered.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 23, 7:11pm

You see Dan you are not as stupid as you are brainwashed, your psychobabble is just a projection and strikes at the core reason you cannot adopt new information as encountered.

Your statement is empirically false as proven by the thread Science Friday: GMO Food Edition in which I changed my mind twice within three hours. At first I had no reason to believe that GMOs caused cancer, so I didn't. Then I read a study which showed that rats fed GMO foods developed cancerous tumors at an extraordinary rate. So I changed my mind and accepted that GMOs caused cancer.

Then New Renter provided evidence that the peer-reviewed study was discredited because the study used rats specifically bred to develop cancerous tumors, something the study itself neglected to mention. So I immediately changed my mind again.

Unlike you, I have no problem accepting evidence that contradicts my beliefs. I simply change my beliefs according to what the evidence shows.

So tell me, are you now going to accept that man-made climate change is a threat as all the evidence supports or are you going to be a hypocrite?

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 23, 7:14pm

That hits the nail right on the head!

Translation: Someone made a baseless accusation against my opponent. This makes me look good by proxy. I just jizzed in my pants.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 23, 7:31pm

What's really sad is when someone like CIC actually believes that he makes sense and the rest of the world is crazy.

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indigenous 2015 Mar 23, 8:30pm

Your statement is empirically false as proven by the thread Science Friday: GMO Food Edition in which I changed my mind twice within three hours. At first I had no reason to believe that GMOs caused cancer, so I didn't. Then I read a study which showed that rats fed GMO foods developed cancerous tumors at an extraordinary rate. So I changed my mind and accepted that GMOs caused cancer.

Then New Renter provided evidence that the peer-reviewed study was discredited because the study used rats specifically bred to develop cancerous tumors, something the study itself neglected to mention. So I immediately changed my mind again.

But you won't consider that crony capitalism is the fault of government and not solely the fault of big business. Nor will you consider that the Fed is the source of the real evil. Nor will you consider the frailties of the scientific method, not to say that there is no science but that to apply a hard science to a natural science is a specious.

So tell me, are you now going to accept that man-made climate change is a threat as all the evidence supports or are you going to be a hypocrite?

CIC has delivered a bunch of charts that is far from being a scientific conclusion.

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Strategist 2015 Mar 23, 9:10pm

See if you can figure out what these seven words all have in common.

1. Banana

2. Dresser

3. Grammar

4. Potato

5. Revive

6. Uneven

7. Assess

They all use at least 2 vowels.

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Strategist 2015 Mar 23, 9:15pm

See if you can figure out what these seven words all have in common.

1. Banana

2. Dresser

3. Grammar

4. Potato

5. Revive

6. Uneven

7. Assess

Ha ha ha.
No one thought of googling it. Google gave me the answer.

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Ceffer 2015 Mar 23, 9:58pm

Two sets of the twin letters apiece, anyway. Assess has quadruplets. Is this phonetic fertility drugs to blame?

19 HEY YOU 2015 Mar 23, 10:08pm

This is the most important thread & comments I've ever read.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 23, 10:49pm

Translation: I have nothing to dispute those facts with, so I'll just pull something out of my ass to post.

Honey, borrowing a phrase from me doesn't work if it's not backed up with evidence. You know, evidence, the stuff that everybody except you provides.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 23, 11:00pm

Dan8267 says

So tell me, are you now going to accept that man-made climate change is a threat as all the evidence supports or are you going to be a hypocrite?

CIC has delivered a bunch of charts that is far from being a scientific conclusion.

It's pretty sad if you're dumb enough to believe him and not smart enough to believe the tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers supporting man-made climate change. You are demonstrating the very principle of the Backfire Effect, clinging to discredited sources to avoid admitting the truth.

But you won't consider that crony capitalism is the fault of government and not solely the fault of big business.

Both our government and our big businesses are a blight on our society. And as far as government goes, Republicans cause far greater evil done through government than Democrats. Sure Democrats are scum, but they aren't endangering the very existence of our species like Republicans.

Nor will you consider that the Fed is the source of the real evil.

Your statement is empirically false. I have called for the disbanding of the federal reserve and currency debasement a multitudes of times. Are you man enough to admit you are wrong here or are you going to demonstrate the Backfire Effect yet again?

Nor will you consider the frailties of the scientific method, not to say that there is no science but that to apply a hard science to a natural science is a specious.

Science is a self-correcting mechanism. Every scientist has incredible incentive and motivation to make a big correction by disproving a well-established theory. If the theory of gravity were wrong, a scientist would easily win a Noble Prize for disproving it. If the world were really flat, a scientist who could show that all the evidence to the contrary was wrong and establish the flatness of the Earth would be considered the greatest scientist ever. The reason neither of these things have happened is that it's impossible to prove a false statement.

There is a multitude of independent lines of evidence that simply cannot be faked. It's impossible to fake a single line of evidence without being caught and humiliated in front of the entire world. It is utterly ridiculous to think that the hundreds of lines of evidence are all fake, yet no one has been able to demonstrate a single one of them being wrong. In our country we literally execute people on the basis of evidence that is damn flimsy compare to even one of the lines of evidence for man-made climate change. There is far more reasonable doubt that Hitler is responsible for the Holocaust than that man-made climate change is a hoax.

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indigenous 2015 Mar 24, 8:20am

It's pretty sad if you're dumb enough to believe him and not smart enough to believe the tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers supporting man-made climate change. You are demonstrating the very principle of the Backfire Effect, clinging to discredited sources to avoid admitting the truth.

You mean believe the charts showing the temp changes? Or the fact that Antarctica is actually gaining ice?

Both our government and our big businesses are a blight on our society. And as far as government goes, Republicans cause fanr greater evil done through government than Democrats. Sure Democrats are scum, but they aren't endangering the very existence of our species like Republicans.

Do you realize the role force plays in this?

Your statement is empirically false. I have called for the disbanding of the federal reserve and currency debasement a multitudes of times.

I have not seen that. That is one thing you say that makes sense. Ok your stock just went up a notch.

It's impossible to fake a single line of evidence without being caught and humiliated in front of the entire world. It is utterly ridiculous to think that the hundreds of lines of evidence are all fake, yet no one has been able to demonstrate a single one of them being wrong.

And what of the evidence that indicates otherwise? Evidence or group agreement, you know like every war for the last 100 years... the dangers of DDT outweighing the dangers of Malaria... a high fat diet causes obesity... antidepressants are good for the depressed...education is such a good thing the government should help... everyone should own a home...the government should, we should acquiesce...

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 24, 8:52am

You mean believe the charts showing the temp changes? Or the fact that Antarctica is actually gaining ice?

If you want to present counter-evidence showing climate change isn't happening, feel free to do so. Call It Crazy tried to do that and I tore through his false evidence like a donkey tore through his rectum. The real evidence from around the world paints a single, solid picture of what's happening. But go ahead and try to scrounge up some fake evidence to support your political agenda. Every time a fool does that, it makes science deniers look even more stupid. You are just demonstrating the Backfire Effect. NPR covered this completely.

Some of the people in Dana's article who are committed to the belief that immigration increase crime may avoid information that contradicts that belief in the first place.

Then if you do stumble across something that undermines everything you've been hearing, you get confused; you get angry.

Do you realize the role force plays in this?

Republicans are the party more likely to use force, to go to war, to militarize the police, to waste money on the warfare industry, to dis-empower the common man. As bad as Democrats are, Republicans are far worse. And conservatives are the worse. They believe in using force for everything. Just look at Strategist and his attitude towards everything.

The philosophy that no one should be able to force his will upon others is called Liberalism.

I have not seen that

Of course not. The Backfire Effect prevents you from seeing this. Again, NPR covers this. Those entrenched in beliefs regardless of proof will ignore or dismiss any evidence to the contrary. The birther movement, the 9/11 conspiracy theories, and climate change denial are all examples of the exact same thing.

And what of the evidence that indicates otherwise?

Every false evidence against man-made climate change has been discredited. Hell, most have been discredited in this post and a few others I made on that thread.

It's the information age. It's easy to disprove bullshit.

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indigenous 2015 Mar 24, 9:02am

You are just demonstrating the Backfire Effect. NPR covered this completely.

You seem quite focused by this phenomenon, how do you suppose it applies to you?

Republicans are the party more likely to use force, to go to war, to militarize the police, to waste money on the warfare industry, to dis-empower the common man.

Other than the Bushes name one war that was started by a Republican president?

As bad as Democrats are, Republicans are far worse.

Blind assertion...

They believe in using force for everything. Just look at Strategist and his attitude towards everything.

He is a self proclaimed liberal.

The philosophy that no one should be able to force his will upon others is called Liberalism.

Classic Liberalism yup, but not modern liberals they want to outlaw guns so as to empower the state etc etc

Every false evidence against man-made climate change has been discredited. Hell, most have been discredited in this post and a few others I made on that thread.

Like the temperature charts?

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 24, 10:17am

You seem quite focused by this phenomenon, how do you suppose it applies to you?

It doesn't, and you're attempt at a PacMan defense is transparent.

Other than the Bushes name one war that was started by a Republican president?

America hasn't declared any wars since WWII. If we could all the "military operations" as war, we've been in a constant state of war since WWII. And yes, those military operations were started under presidents of both parties, but most chicken-hawks are Republican.

Classic Liberalism yup, but not modern liberals they want to outlaw guns so as to empower the state etc etc

You don't know what a modern liberal is. A modern liberal can be pro-life or pro-choice, pro-gun or anti-gun. As for guns, one liberal might advocate freedom to carry weapons while another advocates the right to not be shot.

Liberalism hasn't changed. It just doesn't make conflicts of rights magically disappear.

But if you're not a liberal, you're an asshole. To not be a liberal is to disagree with the premise that all persons are equal under law and that we are a nation of rights, not privileges. If you disagree with that, then you are an asshole by definition.

Dan8267 says

As bad as Democrats are, Republicans are far worse.

Blind assertion...

Empirical verification. Most pro-torture senators and representatives were Republican. Republicans voted for the evil USA Patriot Act which remove the right of habeas corpus that was enjoyed by Western civilization since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215. Republicans literally set back civilization by 800 years.

Obama is terrible on human rights as well, but he's a Republican in everything except skin color.

Like the temperature charts?

Again, post your false evidence and I'll tear a new asshole in you. Until then you are making baseless assertions.

Which I did with YOUR bullshit, ten times over...

Honeybuns, just because you think you've proven the world is flat, Obama is from Kenya, and Jesus Christ founded the USA when he defeated Al Qaeda during the American Revolution by lowering taxes on the rich doesn't mean you've actually proven that. It just means you're batshit crazy.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2015 Mar 24, 10:27am

It's pretty sad if you're dumb enough to believe him and not smart enough to believe the tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers supporting man-made climate change. You are demonstrating the very principle of the Backfire Effect, clinging to discredited sources to avoid admitting the truth.

The Politically Incorrect Guide (P.I.G.) brought to you by Regnery Publishing, that Den of Scientific Literacy.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 24, 5:20pm

According to author Marcus Woo

Your source
1. Thinks that the president of the United States is trying to get Iran to nuke us.
2. Is bitching about Jerry Brown, California, and welfare in the same article.
3. Is bitching about taxes being too high for businesses.
4. Says that the president is libeling Israel.
5. Says that the liberal Jews in America are ashamed of the Jews in Israel.
6. Has a lame anti-Obama cartoon that complains that everyone knows Bush's illegal wars caused ISIS to come into existence.

Next time you try to quote a source, try something more reputable than an obvious right-wing propaganda jizz rag.

Now show me the peer-reviewed science journal that says the tens of thousands of other peer-reviewed science journals on climate change are wrong.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 24, 10:40pm

Appeal to authority means nothing. The consensus of observation, measurement, and repeatable experimentation is what gives a scientific theory its weight and acceptance.

Your propaganda piece on a right-wing nutjob website whose only text is

Object moved to here.

where "here" is a blank link doesn't mean shit.

Try quoting an actual peer-reviewed paper. Given your propensity to deliberately misquote people or quote them out of context, I doubt you've even represented Woo's statement correctly.

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indigenous 2015 Mar 24, 10:44pm

I doubt you've even represented Woo's statement correctly.

Is this an example of "The Backfire Effect"?

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 25, 5:12am

No. I'm challenging that idiot CIC to actually present evidence, which is like the opposite of the Backfire Effect.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 25, 7:58am

OK Dan, go Backfire (your favorite saying of the week)

Translation: Yes, I'm exemplifying the Backfire Effect right now, but I'm ashamed so I'll dismiss and ridicule the idea while not noticing the irony in doing so.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 25, 8:18am

There appears to be zero peer reviews of The Physical Flaws of the Global Warming Theory. A Google search of +"The Physical Flaws of the Global Warming Theory" results in only 25 web pages none of which discuss the actual paper and all of which are right-wing conspiracy sites.

A search for William M. Gray, no quotes, does reveal that the scientific community considers him to be a shill.

Some stories even report that he is a leading climate scientist. The reality is that William Gray is not a scientist, and is nothing more than a propagandist for companies that want to hide the truth behind global warming.

I was at a meeting a few weeks ago where I ran into Bill Gray, a famous emeritus skeptic. He gave his standard stump speech in which he claims that the water vapor feedback is negative. I followed up on this with him and it became quite clear to me that he is unfamiliar with all of the peer-reviewed literature on this subject that has been published in the last five years.

After arguing with him for a few minutes, it became clear that Bill Gray has no scientific theory of his own why the water vapor feedback is negative, and no data to support his non-theory. He has no manuscript describing his non-theory and no plans to attempt to publish it. After I pointed out all of the evidence supporting a positive feedback, he looked confused and finally said, "OK, maybe the feedback isn't negative, maybe it's neutral. I'll give you that." I quickly concluded that he has no idea what he's talking about. I wish everyone that considers him credible could have witnessed this exchange.

So the guy clearly is not informed or anything close to a scientist. He is simply a shill. Part of this becomes clear when you see what organizations he is associated with, such as the right-wing anti-science group Tech Central Station, which is funded by Exxon, among others:

As an LLC, there is little Tech Central Station must publicly disclose about itself save for the names and addresses of its owners, and there is no presumption, legal or otherwise, that it exists to serve the public interest. Likewise, rather than advertisers per se, TCS has what it calls "sponsors," which are thanked prominently in a section one click away from the front page of the site. (AT&T, ExxonMobil, and Microsoft were early supporters; General Motors, Intel, McDonalds, NASDAQ, National Semiconductor, and Qualcomm, as well as the drug industry trade association, PhRMA, joined during the past year.)

In fact, TCS released an anti-global warming propaganda movie:

In June 2006, the broadcast PR firm Medialink Worldwide put out a video news release (VNR) titled, "Global Warming and Hurricanes: All Hot Air?"

The VNR features Dr. William Gray and Dr. James J. O'Brien, who are identified as "two of the nation's top weather and ocean scientists."

Additionally, William Gray appears to have been a paid skeptic all the time. He is a complete shill, and he makes Coulteresque statements, such as when he compared Al Gore to Adolf Hitler. Gray said:

Gore believed in global warming almost as much as Hitler believed there was something wrong with the Jews."

So as you can see, his credibility is virtually nothing. He is not a scientist, he associates with groups that are paid for by Exxon, and he does not research anything.

So basically, CIC's only evidence comes from a discredited, paid shill. William Gray is the modern equivalent of a pseudo-scientist paid by the Big Tobacco to spread the lie that smoking doesn't cause cancer and that the science isn't conclusive. This exact tactic is used by climate change deniers and was covered in the video by The National Center for Science Education (NCSE), which is an actual credible source.

I'll post the video below for everyone's convenience. The original post and other videos are here.

https://www.oVaXlRgLi5Q

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 25, 8:56am

According to CIC, any source that says Obama was born in America is a "liberal lefty" source. The bottom line is that William Gray is paid by Big Oil to lie about climate change in the exact same way Big Tobacco paid shills with degrees in science to lie about smoking not causing cancer. History repeats itself.

Is there anyone reading this thread who is dumb enough to think that CIC has any credibility at this point? If so, please voice in.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 25, 9:20am

You had to search back all the way to 2007 on the liberal rag

Honey, all over the Internet it's revealed that William Gray and his organizations are paid tens of millions of dollars by Big Oil and other organizations with a financial interest in deceiving the public about climate change.

Gray was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's 7th International Conference on Climate Change (ICCC7).

DeSmogBlog researched the co-sponsors behind Heartland's ICCC7 and found that they had collectively received over $67 million from ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife family foundations.

Are you denying that William Gray hasn't received money from ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers, or the Scaife family foundations? Climate change deniers often say "follow the money". Well, I've just done that. It shows that Gray is dirty. The fact that Gray is the only source CIC has been able to quote to support his debunked lies just goes to show how batshit crazy CIC's position is.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 25, 9:41am

I found William Gray's book.

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Dan8267 2015 Mar 25, 9:46am