patrick.net

entirely feasible given the USA's retreat as the world's enforcer, and the rise of russia/china/iran...this whole business is coming to a nuclear head....
Thanks Obama!

Dan8267 says

There have been plenty of people who have both contributes great work to science and also done some batshit crazy things.

Isaac Newton comes to mind. He's the father of classical physics, but he also believed in the occult including alchemy, the Philosopher’s Stone (yes, Harry Potter stuff), and that the world would end in the year 2060

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Question for you: More and more people are becoming atheists. Is it IQ, or is it education? Or....does education elevate your IQ?

The brain is like a muscle; the more you use it, the stronger it gets.

I think it's the Information Age including education and the Internet. Most children are born into religious families, and only a minority grow up to question and challenge what they're told, and these comparative few are dispersed geographically and may face discrimination locally. As Ron Reagan said, he could never get elected to anything, being an atheist; he went to work hosting a radio show instead, where syndication enabled him to reach a dispersed minority who add up to an audience. The advent of radio and especially the Internet have enabled people with questions to compare a variety of answers, including comparing religious vs secular. For example, there was a website called "Why Does God Hate Amputees?" (It has been renamed, to avoid offending amputees.) As Thomas Jefferson predicted, in open debate, better ideas tend eventually to displace worse ideas. The process can take a long time; Robert Hooke wrote about evolution in the 17th century, and here we are more than three centuries later with most Americans not believing it.

FortWayne says

I really don't talk to Jesus as often as you think. Try Pope.

Forthood may have been talking to the Pope, but evidently not listening to him:

On Gay Priests, Pope Francis Asks, ‘Who Am I to Judge?’

When you see someone pretending to be more Catholic than the Pope, you know he's using the religion as cover to hide something else. In Forthood's case, what he's hiding is painfully obvious.

SoftShell says

Jesus Christ...what part of "have been able" don't you understand?

If his religion is correct about the afterlife, he should still be able to converse. Does his mind still exist? Why would an alleged god who wants us to accept his existence prevent the dead from talking to the living? If the Bible is true, the dead do talk to the living. Both Jesus and Lazarus come to mind.

SoftShell says

entirely feasible given the USA's retreat as the world's enforcer, and the rise of russia/china/iran...this whole business is coming to a nuclear head....

Thanks Obama!

OK, if the world ends in 2060 I'll admit I was wrong about everything religious. If not, all you knuckleheads have to admit you were batshit crazy.

curious2 says

Most children are born into religious families, and only a minority grow up to question and challenge what they're told

Yes, religion relies on brainwashing and indoctrination of children, which is a form of child abuse.

curious2 says

As Thomas Jefferson predicted, in open debate, better ideas tend eventually to displace worse ideas.

I'm still waiting for that to apply to PatNet. Seems like we're always debating -- and I use that term loosely -- the same subjects.

You assume he went to heaven.
for all we know tweeting from hell may be banned... *

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

Jesus Christ...what part of "have been able" don't you understand?

If his religion is correct about the afterlife, he should still be able to converse.

SoftShell says

You assume he went to heaven.

for all we know tweeting from hell may be banned...

Don't be silly. All tweets come from hell.

Dan8267 says

Does PatNet have enough disk space to store them all?

Probably not. Every time Forthood thinks a sinful thought, he must atone by trolling. He used to do the same on SFGate.com until they got rid of him and changed their comment functionality. (Though Forthood lives in Reseda, he believes SF is "sin city" and trolls the SFBA). As with Larry Craig and Mark Foley and Dennis Hastert, they must feverishly atone, daily they are reminded that they must atone, and flagellate themselves; they cannot stop.

Dan8267 says

I'll even give a personal anecdote. Although I'm a hard core atheist, I have friends who are born again Christians and friends who are Jewish. One of my Jewish friends has two young sons. They were told that they are going to hell for not believing in Christ by one of the neighborhood Christian boys. When my friend heard about that he told what the kid said to his mother. Her response was something to the effect of well, they are [going to hell].

You DO live in fundy land! Maybe you need to move out of redneck Florida Dan? I'm in a mixed religious family and none of my children have ever had their friends (let alone parents) tell them shit like that.

Dan8267 says

Isaac Newton comes to mind. He's the father of classical physics, but he also believed in the occult including alchemy, the Philosopher’s Stone (yes, Harry Potter stuff), and that the world would end in the year 2060. Just because Netwon was right on the laws of motion does not make him right on alchemy.

And in Dan's world, one of the greatest scientific minds in history wouldn't be allowed to vote. But felons OK!

Dan8267 says

Ah, the hypocrisy of conservative bigots like socal2, who claims god hates fags but calls me a bigot for saying that a person who believes the world is only 6000 years old does not distinguish between fantasy and reality. I stand by my statements. They are factually correct. Socal2 cannot justify his bigoted and ignorant remarks.

I've never said anything remotely like that above. You are confusing me with your Florida redneck neighbors and family.

Dan8267 says

Have him open an account on PatNet. I have no problem debating him. By the way, simply calling yourself a man of god and a scientist doesn't mean crap. You're latest fallacy is called appeal to authority.

He's long since passed, but he also taught math and science in college for decades and dealt with lots of angry little cock-sure students like you. So I am sure he would have been fine talking circles around you. And I see you are offering Patnet another pearl of wisdom of yours implying that people can't be religious and also be scientists. In your tiny little world you really think these things HAVE to be mutually exclusive.

I almost feel so sorry for you Dan. You appear to be one of the most angry and bitter people on Patnet. Did your parents give your inheritance money to a televangelist or were you molested as an alter boy? Your anger and "righteous indignation" borders on the pathological.

Dan8267 says

Yes, religion relies on brainwashing and indoctrination of children, which is a form of child abuse.

Without indoctrination of children before they develop critical thinking skills -

Before they can even reliably detect blatant sarcasm*

- Religion is doomed. It would have a handful of ardent adherents - like the people who come to believe in ESP or healing chakras, but it's effect on society would be around nil.

Religion focuses on indoctrinating children to survive.

If Religion was a "Considered Choice", we wouldn't see religion distributed geographically where various ethnic groups cluster.

*Around 8-10 years old.

Dan8267 says

I'd say all the religious preachers are the ones giving us that perception.

You are looking at all those phrases without understanding the meaning, not meant to be taken literally. There is a special meaning behind all those sayings and phrases.

socal2 says

Maybe you need to move out of redneck Florida Dan?

North Florida is the south. South Florida is the north.

socal2 says

And in Dan's world, one of the greatest scientific minds in history wouldn't be allowed to vote. But felons OK!

Yes, a person can be both a genius and mentally ill. Have you not seen Rain Man?

Again, I've justified why our ban on the mentally incompetent should include religious delusions, and I've justified why felons should be allowed to vote. You have not even attempted to refute any of those justifications or offer alternative reasons to counter my points. All you can do is say, well, it's obvious I'm right because it's obvious. You have no argument because you're too god-damn stupid to think up one.

socal2 says

or were you molested as an alter boy?

Leave your pedophile fantasies at home.

Even your tasteless insults that make light of pedophilia, which is rampant in religious communities only serve to demonstrate why religion should not be tolerated.

socal2 says

Your anger and "righteous indignation" borders on the pathological.

Ah projection again. I may be pissing you off by illustrating how vile religion is, but rational disapproval of an irrational process is not anger. My writings are written in a very objective, neutral, and quite frankly emotionless tone. So any emotion you feel reading them, comes from you, not me. Yes, I'm judging religion, but I'm judging it rationally and objectively. So clearly, you are projecting your pathological rage and thus demonstrating once again why religion should not be tolerated in a modern state. It is incompatible with modern civilization and law and order.

thunderlips11 says

Dan8267 says

Yes, religion relies on brainwashing and indoctrination of children, which is a form of child abuse.

Without indoctrination of children before they develop critical thinking skills -

Before they can even reliably detect blatant sarcasm*

Before they even know that Santa Clause and the tooth-fairy aren't real. That alone tells you how sick it is to indoctrinate them.

FortWayne says

You are looking at all those phrases without understanding the meaning, not meant to be taken literally. There is a special meaning behind all those sayings and phrases.

The meaning is that all religious leaders are scumbag warlords who use fear and violence to ensure that their base of power isn't threatened by either rational thought or other religions. That's why religions are always warring.

Dan8267 says

Again, I've justified why our ban on the mentally incompetent should include religious delusions,

Where have we heard this before?

Oh yeah! The Commies were big fans of persecuting the religious and declaring their political/ideological enemies insane to be locked up. Never go full Commie Dan. It makes you look really really dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

How well has it worked out for Western countries that use the power of the State to target and persecute religious groups? Which country has this worked out for?

You should spend less time wetting your pants over the private beliefs of religious people and spend more time working on reigning in your totalitarian impulses and bigotry.

socal2 says

The Commies were big fans of persecuting the religious and declaring their political/ideological enemies insane to be locked up.

Straw Man argument. Again, you cannot address the actual points I made, so you coward behind Straw Men.

socal2 says

You should spend less time wetting your pants over the private beliefs of religious people and spend more time working on reigning in your totalitarian impulses and bigotry.

Translation: I cannot make a rational argument against what Dan said, therefore I will throw a lame and uncreative ad hominem attack and how the audience is stupid enough to be fooled.

Look, I get it. You have a small penis and therefore are threatened by rational, well-defended criticism of your religion. But attacking the messenger isn't going to make your dick bigger. Luckily, there is a solution for you.

Dan8267 says

Straw Man argument. Again, you cannot address the actual points I made, so you coward behind Straw Men.

Because you are unhinged crazy with your bigotry. Lots of Democrat slave holders,Progressive Eugenics fans and Commies had scientific and "logical" arguments supporting their brutal totalitarian policies.

Not worth the time to wade through the thousands of words you vomit on this site each day. I don't address crazy Bgmall's numerous points either.

But I do enjoy calling out self-righteous totalitarian progs like you.

socal2 says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

You realize that Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until the 1970s in the US, and disqualified you from a host of things, including a Security Clearance?

Here's one for you:

In 1972, a Tacoma, Washington teacher of twelve years with a perfect record was terminated after a former student outed him to the vice-principal. The Washington Supreme Court found that homosexuality was immoral and impaired his efficiency as a teacher. The court supported its conclusion in various ways, including the definition of homosexuality in the New Catholic Encyclopedia, the criminal nature of homosexual conduct, and finding that an "immoral" person could not be trusted to instruct students as his presence would be inherently disruptive. On October 3, 1977, the United States Supreme Court denied certiorari, although Justices Brennan and Marshall would have granted cert. This was the first homosexual discrimination decision to be aired on national network news. In fact, it was simultaneously aired on all three national network evening news shows, reaching approximately 60 million viewers

And yes, wikipedia because I can't be arsed, follow the footnotes.

Did you know that homosexuality is still a mental disorder in the Ukraine? That Homosexuals can't donate blood? That few attacks on Gays are investigated, much less punished? That at the 2013 Gay Pride march, Metropolitan Filaret of the Fake Orthodox Church and Archbishop Shevchuk of the Uniate Church called homosexuality a sin akin to Manslaughter and protested against any further decriminalization of Homosexuality?

That Klitchko banned a gay pride rally in May 2014?

Did you know that most Eastern European countries have banned Gay Marriage Constitutionally - except Russia?

No, of course not. That wouldn't be on hyperinterventionist Rah-rah Fox or CNN.

socal2 says

I would love to have been able to introduce you to one of my great uncles who was a Catholic Priest (Jesuit) and a published geneticist. He did ground breaking work back in the 1960's (even before Vatican II) and could talk circles around your feeble hateful mind in terms of science, philosophy and law.

A Catholic priest and a scientist is as compatible as oil and water. I doubt he ever proved the world was 6,000 years old, nor could he have come up sensible arguments against evolution. Any scientist who believes the earth is 6,000 years old is a wacko who needs meds.

socal2 says

Another one of my great uncles spent his entire adult life in South America helping the poor in small villages building infrastructure, schools and water systems.

Now that is a good man regardless of his beliefs.

Nominated as most damning response of the year...+1

socal2 says

Where have we heard this before?

Damn Atheists. This board is full of hell burners. Makes me sick.

Interesting that time frame was when pot smoking took hold and became commonplace instilling the notion that getting fucked in the ass was an act promoting family values..

thunderlips11 says

You realize that Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until the 1970s in the US, and disqualified you from a host of things, including a Security Clearance?

Strategist says

A Catholic priest and a scientist is as compatible as oil and water. I doubt he ever proved the world was 6,000 years old, nor could he have come up sensible arguments against evolution. Any scientist who believes the earth is 6,000 years old is a wacko who needs meds.

Catholics (and most Christians and Jews) believe in evolution. They don't believe the world is 6,000 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

FFS - the founder of modern science of genetics (Gregor Mandel) was a Catholic priest!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel

Do you really not know this?

socal2 says

Strategist says

A Catholic priest and a scientist is as compatible as oil and water. I doubt he ever proved the world was 6,000 years old, nor could he have come up sensible arguments against evolution. Any scientist who believes the earth is 6,000 years old is a wacko who needs meds.

Catholics (and most Christians and Jews) believe in evolution. They don't believe the world is 6,000 years old.

Then why do they even bother reading the Bible, a book that claims the earth is 6,000 years old, and the sun revolves around the earth? Either the Bible is wrong, or it's right.

socal2 says

FFS - the founder of modern science of genetics (Gregor Mandel) was a Catholic priest!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel

Do you really not know this?

A priest 200 years ago had no modern science knowledge. It's just a claim. I repeat.....the Bible is the last place you want knowledge from.

socal2 says

Democrat slave holders

Once again you demonstrate your hypocrisy and deception. Today's Republicans were called Dixiecrats before Nixon's Southern Strategy. You know that, yet you continue to tell the lie that it isn't the same line of people who owned slaves in the 1800s, started the KKK after the Civil War, practices segregation for half the 20th century, opposed interracial marriages, and now oppose gay marriages. They switched parties but they didn't switch their politics.

socal2 says

But I do enjoy calling out self-righteous totalitarian progs like you.

Another premature victory dance.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

therefore I will throw a lame and uncreative ad hominem attack

Dan8267 says

You have a small penis.... But attacking the messenger isn't going to make your dick bigger.

?????????????????

That's an example of a creative put down after having decimated his arguments by attacking the arguments themselves. You wouldn't understand the difference because like socal2, you are simply too stupid. Chalk it up to generations of incest.

SoftShell says

Interesting that time frame was when pot smoking took hold and became commonplace instilling the notion that getting fucked in the ass was an act promoting family values..

If you wife doesn't let you fuck her in the ass, she's not promoting family values or spending quality family time together.

Strategist says

That's what I was always told. "You will burn in hell for eternity" "Like a worm on fire"

How is it supposed to work?

It's strange that the one conservative ideology Strategist rejects is religion. Now if only he could see that the rest of the Republican platform is equally b.s.

thunderlips11 says

socal2 says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

You realize that Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until the 1970s in the US, and disqualified you from a host of things, including a Security Clearance?

Ah, the hypocrisy of socal2. Finding another man attractive: crazy as shit. Believing that people rise from the dead: perfectly sane.

Oh, and I didn't make up the law that the mentally incompetent can't vote. I'm just saying that it should be applied in a non-discriminatory way. None of the conservatives have yet even dare try to refute that.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

That's what I was always told. "You will burn in hell for eternity" "Like a worm on fire"


How is it supposed to work?

It's strange that the one conservative ideology Strategist rejects is religion. Now if only he could see that the rest of the Republican platform is equally b.s.

It isn't all b.s. There is good and bad in everything. Every issue is different, and that's all I go by, regardless of politics.
When it comes to managing the economy, the republicans make more sense. When it comes to religion, the liberals make make sense. That's why I am an independent....someone who thinks for himself, rather than have others do the thinking for him. What about you?

Dan8267 says

Once again you demonstrate your hypocrisy and deception. Today's Republicans were called Dixiecrats before Nixon's Southern Strategy. You know that, yet you continue to tell the lie that it isn't the same line of people who owned slaves in the 1800s, started the KKK after the Civil War, practices segregation for half the 20th century, opposed interracial marriages, and now oppose gay marriages. They switched parties but they didn't switch their politics.

Dan, shhhhh! Too much nuance, makes Conservabrains go Ka-BOOM!

New York Times, circa 1963:

"Psychiatrists, Religious Leaders, and Police concerned". That NYT, so Liberal!

I have a problem with your assertion that oil and water are not compatible.
There are many married couples who sleep in separate rooms. They are compatible, as they live in the same house together.
So oil and water may occupy space in the same glass and yet be deemed compatible.
Or it might depend on what your usage of "as" is...or "is" as ...what?...gimme a libby dictionary...i'm lost!

Strategist says

A Catholic priest and a scientist is as compatible as oil and water.

I've always wondered why this number has not been incrementally increased on an annual basis ever since it was first declared.

socal2 says

Catholics (and most Christians and Jews) believe in evolution. They don't believe the world is 6,000 years old.

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

I'd say all the religious preachers are the ones giving us that perception.

You are looking at all those phrases without understanding the meaning, not meant to be taken literally. There is a special meaning behind all those sayings and phrases.

Why would God want to talk in riddles and confuse everyone? Followers of every religion reinterpret the words of God to reflect the latest values, thus flushing the true message down the toilet.

Dan8267 says

Ah, the hypocrisy of socal2. Finding another man attractive: crazy as shit.

Here's more shit that you just made up. Where have I ever said that?

Dan8267 says

Once again you demonstrate your hypocrisy and deception. Today's Republicans were called Dixiecrats before Nixon's Southern Strategy. You know that, yet you continue to tell the lie

I love reading the contortions and history revisionism Democrats have to go through to paint over their deplorable past.

Next thing you will be saying is that it wasn't religious groups in America that fueled the Abolitionist movement to free the slaves.
http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/abolitionist-movement

Then you will be saying it wasn't Liberal Progressives using scientific arguments to justify the Eugenics movement.
http://www.salon.com/2006/03/04/bruinius/

One hundred years from now when Democrats finally get a clue and a heart and give up their caveman practice of abortion, they will be claiming it was Republicans who were the pro-abortion party!

wow...you work for the NSA??

anonymous says

SoftShell says

They are compatible, as they live in the same house together.

Always nice to use an example from your personal life -

Not that I can tell...why do you ask?

anonymous says

Doesn't this concept require separate residences or at least separate doorways for interracial couples?

Or maybe one likes a hard mattress and one likes a soft mattress...occams razor...you know... *

anonymous says

More likely one or the other or both realized they made a huge mistake and either can't afford a divorce, staying together for the sake of the children (bless their little hearts) or the church commanded them to lest they burn in hell forever....

socal2 says

Dan8267 says

Ah, the hypocrisy of socal2. Finding another man attractive: crazy as shit.

Here's more shit that you just made up. Where have I ever said that?

socal2 says

As much as Gays and Progs think they can divorce procreation from marriage - it doesn't change basic biology and millenia of civilization.

socal2 says

Dan8267 says

Once again you demonstrate your hypocrisy and deception. Today's Republicans were called Dixiecrats before Nixon's Southern Strategy. You know that, yet you continue to tell the lie

I love reading the contortions and history revisionism Democrats have to go through to paint over their deplorable past.

The history of Dixiecrats is the history of the Repubilcan Party and reflects the vile values of today's Republicans.

Today's Democrats come from the Northern Democratic Party, not the Southern Democratic Party.

Yes, back when the American South was all Democrats, the Democratic Party was evil precisely because it was composed of people from the American South. It's really the American South that is evil and has always been. The American South
- were slavers
- raped child slaves
- committed treason to maintain slavery
- lost the Civil War, but still is fighting it
- started the quintessential terrorist organization in American history, the Klu Klux Klan
- lynched black families for 100 years
- defied the law when segregation was made illegal
- Unconstitutionally opposed interracial marriage
- Unconstitutionally opposed same sex marriage

It's not a shock that the descendants of slavers are scumbags just like their ancestors were when the American South has long harbored a culture that is basically like the one ISIS is trying to establish. If the people of the American South want to no longer be viewed as barbaric bigots with low intelligence and high inbreeding then they need to divorce themselves from the culture and vile values of their ancestors, plain and simple. As long as the South glorifies its evil past, the South will rightfully be perceived as barbarians. The reason that modern Germans are viewed as Nazis is that Germans don't glorify Nazi Germany or propose that Nazi values be the values of the modern state. If they did, the Germans would still be viewed as Nazis.

If the South doesn't want to be ashamed of the sins of its past, it must stop committing those sins and related ones.

Strategist says

Why would God want to talk in riddles and confuse everyone? Followers of every religion reinterpret the words of God to reflect the latest values, thus flushing the true message down the toilet.

God doesn't talk in riddles, man talks in riddles. And it only is riddles since it was written many years ago when such was not a riddle, it was common understanding.

anonymous says

And you have the uncanny ability to know the true meaning ? How do you do it?

Ask for an explanation or plenty of preachers explain the meaning behind the old language. It's not that hard.

Noticed that Dan can't dispute that it was religious groups (the people he thinks are insane and shouldn't be able to vote) were the main force behind the Abolition movement to end slavery.

Also noticed that Dan can't dispute that it was Northern Progressive who were behind the Eugenics genocide of the early 20th century........and still are big fans with their support of aborting babies, the majority of who are black or poor.

Simply put, Northern Democrats with their love of Eugenics and Abortion have done more to destroy black lives than all Democrat slavers combined.

socal2 says

Simply put, Northern Democrats with their love of Eugenics and Abortion have done more to destroy black lives than all Democrat slavers combined.

socal2 says

I am not talking about Stalin. I am talking about American Progressives of the early 20th Century. Margaret Sanger for example. The Progressive Eugenics crowd (along with Democrat slavers) had all sorts of "logical" and "scientific" arguments justifying the liquidation of certain races and undesirables.

"Progressive genocide"

http://www.salon.com/2006/03/04/bruinius/

Talk about pulling things out of your ass. Margaret Sanger was a champion of birth control not eugenics. She condoned eugenics, not at all the same thing. I've read her autobiography. She was against abortion, Find one thing Sanger wrote that targeted blacks. She was invited by black leaders like James H. Hubert to help with educating blacks about birth control. Black ministers and leaders praised her repeatedly.

Blacks weren't targeted for eugenics either, low iq people were. Eugenics didn't liquidate anyone, people were sterilized. California had the most, something like 40% of all sterilzations were in CA. Any actual facts on what percentage were black you would like to share? I won't holding my breath waiting for any. Yet another right wingnut living a fact free life.