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indigenous says

Yup the market for engineers is tremendous and apparently for code writers.

For Code writers but not for people who occupied a classroom seat for a couple years for a sheet of paper.
If everyone that went to school to code, could write decent code. I would have to find a new gig, as I would not be able to compete with all of the people who went to school for this.

zzyzzx says

I'm in favor of less government subsidies across the board, starting with Obamaphones, babies, etc.

Yes, if there's one thing that's really putting the budget in the red, it's the Obamaphones.

lostand confused says

Your kind never stops taking. it is always something more you want to take away from the hard working folks and you always feel so high and mighty.

My kind? What's my kind? I've worked my entire adult life after university if that's what you mean.

bob2356 says

LOL, you are really funny. european settlers came to escape famine and poverty, not free college tuition. You didn't get the memo

His point is that rest of the developed world has it and so we should. Why? I mean illegals already go to school for free in CA and become lawyers and some wave Mexican flags at graduation. How many more need to go to college at taxpayer's dime?? The truly deserving-fine through scholarships and grants-but not the others. Maybe what we need to change is the idea that everybody has to go to college. That is not true-who gets to be the maid, the police officer, security, truck driver, toll collector, janitor??

Bigsby says

My kind? What's my kind? I've worked my entire adult life after university if that's what you mean

The kind that always asks for freebies and wants an absolute fair world-life ain't fair. Accept it, accept reality and move on-instead of always taking, taking, taking and whining.

lostand confused says

His point is that rest of the developed world ahs it and so we should. Why? I mean illegals already go to school for free in CA and become lawyers and some wave Mexican flags at graduation. How many more need to go to college at taxpayer's dime?? The truly deserving-fine through scholarships and grants-but not the others. Maybe what we need to change is the idea that everybody has to go to college. That is not true-who gets to be the maid, the police officer, security, truck driver, toll collector, janitor??

You need to change the free market then. How do you tell an employer that he can't hire a college educated worker for his entry level job? What do you say when he says he wants someone he can promote to other positions in the future?

lostand confused says

The kind that always asks for freebies and wants an absolute fair world-life ain't fair. Accept it, accept reality and move on-instead of always taking, taking, taking and whining.

You mean all the Republicans in the red states?

tatupu70 says

You need to change the free market then

tatupu70 says

How do you tell an employer that he can't hire a college educated worker for his entry level job? What do you say when he says he wants someone he can promote to other positions in the future?

You have an odd definition for free market. You don't tell the employer anything-they decide how they want to staff, based on the prevailing market conditions. if he wants to hire someone without a college degree for a CEO positon-that is their choice.

lostand confused says

His point is that rest of the developed world ahs it and so we should. Why?

Perhaps because there are obvious benefits in having a more educated populace rather than having a society in which access to education is predicated not on your ability but your financial circumstances.

Bigsby says

Perhaps because there are obvious benefits in having a more educated populace rather than having a society in which access to education is predicated not on your ability but your financial circumstances

No. There are only so many college jobs. There are what 11 million illegals here-those jobs can be done by Americans and then this welfare culture may go down.

lostand confused says

You have an odd definition for free market. You don't tell the employer anything-they decide how they want to staff, based on the prevailing market conditions. if he wants to hire someone without a college degree for a CEO positon-that is their choice.

lol--OK so what do you do when all the employers decide they require a college education?

lostand confused says

The kind that always asks for freebies and wants an absolute fair world-life ain't fair. Accept it, accept reality and move on-instead of always taking, taking, taking and whining.

Oh, you mean 'freebies' like better access to higher education for a relatively small number of students. That, by the way, doesn't make the world fair (and I don't expect it to be) but it might make your education system slightly fairer. Why is that so bad?

Bigsby says

So what? The choice of the course is up to the student. Just because you don't see value in a particular course doesn't mean that it has none. And your point is irrelevant anyway because you aren't arguing for the funding to be directed. You're arguing for it not to be introduced at all.

Think of it this way, the reason housing cost is so high right now is because of low interest rates. If the interest rates weren't as low as they are, people would not be able to pay as much for housing. So if the interest rates were not artificially set by the government the cost of housing would be lower.

lostand confused says

No. There are only so many college jobs

OK--Big's point is that if you want to limit college to only a certain % of the population, you should do it by merit, not by financial status.

indigenous says

Think of it this way, the reason housing cost is so high right now is because of low interest rates

Incorrect. It has been proven that interest rates are actually slightly positively correlated with nominal housing prices. Higher interest rates usually go with higher house prices.

indigenous says

Think of it this way, the reason housing cost is so high right now is because of low interest rates. If the interest rates weren't as low as they are, people would not be able to pay as much for housing. So if the interest rates were not artificially set by the government the cost of housing would be lower.

And that has what to do with the costs of your current higher education system (ignoring the fact interest rates aren't the only contributing factor to house prices)?

tatupu70 says

Incorrect. It has been proven that interest rates are actually slightly positively correlated with nominal housing prices. Higher interest rates usually go with higher house prices.

Though I imagine that has something to do with strong wage inflation also occurring, which is less likely these days (plus the fact that people are far more financially committed to housing than they used to be, so will be far more affected by rate rises).

Call it Crazy says

If you weren't so stupid, you would know that these people that you want to take away from and redistribute their money, FIRST had to work hard and EARN the money they used to invest for these PASSIVE returns... Somehow in your fucked up world, you think people sit back and pick $1000. bills off of the tree in their yard.

Which is why I said previously, get off of your ass, stop whining, and go form your own business and work 80+ hours a week. Then you can take those big bucks you made and invest them in something that gives you PASSIVE income!

They did? More likely their Great Grandfather did. Regardless, so what? They can enjoy the lower tax rate while the EARN the money. If they choose to stop EARNING the money, then they get hit with higher taxes.

This would likely lead to higher job growth as money got reinvested rather than hit with high taxes.

If they were working 80 hours a week, they'd get the lower tax rate. So, why are you arguing with me?

Bigsby says

Though I imagine that has something to do with strong wage inflation also occurring, which is less likely these days.

Agreed.

tatupu70 says

Yes, if there's one thing that's really putting the budget in the red, it's the Obamaphones.

If you had to pick between Obamaphones and a cheaper College education, which would you pick?

tatupu70 says

Incorrect. It has been proven that interest rates are actually slightly positively correlated with nominal housing prices. Higher interest rates usually go with higher house prices.

Check out what Logan has to say about that.Bigsby says

And that has what to do with the costs of your current higher education system (ignoring the fact interest rates aren't the only contributing factor to house prices)?

Making more money available. The VERY definition of inflation is an increase in the money supply.

zzyzzx says

If you had to pick between Obamaphones and a cheaper College education, which would you pick?

If you had to choose between10 new fighter jets and free college education, which would you pick?

tatupu70 says

If you had to choose between10 new fighter jets and free college education, which would you pick?

I'd pick neither.

Now answer my question.

indigenous says

Check out what Logan has to say about that

lol--Logan is a legend in his own mind.

indigenous says

Making more money available. The VERY definition of inflation is an increase in the money supply

Only to Austrians.

tatupu70 says

lol--Logan is a legend in his own mind.

He has street cred, you do not.

tatupu70 says

Only to Austrians.

Actually only to earthlings, which may be the reason you don't get it.

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

How does on "live" in washington dc on $15 and hour?

Is that even English?

It's called typing fast while working on multiple screens. Once you overcome your serious deficits in basic English grammar, spelling, and punctuation you may criticize, until then stifle.

indigenous says

Making more money available. The VERY definition of inflation is an increase in the money supply.

And making the proposed money available for tuition doesn't necessarily translate into higher college costs, does it? So what is your point?

If you truly desired a more educated society, why not improve on the existing systems for public education. The government already forces everyone into thirteen years of public education. Let's improve on that which we already have first, before dreaming up new ways to waste more money

Bigsby says

And making the proposed money available for tuition doesn't necessarily translate into higher college costs, does it?

WTF

errc says

If you truly desired a more educated society, why not improve on the existing systems for public education. The government already forces everyone into thirteen years of public education. Let's improve on that which we already have first, before dreaming up new ways to waste more money

That would require a lot more than 'improving' the education system.

w.cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/wapo-tells-readers-that-hillary-clinton-wants-to-spend-really-big-number-on-making-college-affordable

Actually it's only $39 billion, not $350 billion.

indigenous says

Bigsby says

And making the proposed money available for tuition doesn't necessarily translate into higher college costs, does it?

WTF

The comment is straightforward to understand. Introducing this measure doesn't automatically translate into higher tuition fees for others.

Call it Crazy says

Another totally clueless statement.... Congratulations, you've made it to the top of the Patnet idiot list!!

We never knew working longer hours gets you into a lower tax bracket!!!

You should really speak for yourself because most of Pat.net understands far more than you. In my proposal, if someone is working, they get the earned income rate, if someone is sitting on their ass, they get the unearned rate. So someone working 80 hours a week gets the earned income rate.

Bigsby says

The comment is straightforward to understand. Introducing this measure doesn't automatically translate into higher tuition fees for others.

The fuck it doesn't

indigenous says

The fuck it doesn't

Proof indeed.

Bigsby says

Proof indeed.

So college costs have not gone up? Yes some common sense required, as in the study of economics, is a scarce resource especially with you and Tat

indigenous says

So college costs have not gone up? Yes some common sense required, as in the study of economics, is a scarce resource especially with you and Tat

Eh? Who said college costs haven't gone up? You are arguing that this measure will increase that rate of increase, something which you have no evidence for.

Bigsby says

Eh? Who said college costs haven't gone up? You are arguing that this measure will increase that rate of increase, something which you have no evidence for.

Unless you are an idiot it is called extrapolating.

indigenous says

Unless you are an idiot it is called extrapolating.

Extrapolating based on what? You don't want government involvement because you claim it'll lead to increased university fees. You've had decades of massively increased fees where government has lacked involvement. What do you extrapolate from that?

Bigsby says

You've had decades of massively increased fees where government has lacked involvement

That is because the gubmnt makes students as slaves. You can borrow huge sums for a degree with no job prospects and then can never default on it. So colleges can charge any amount-if they were limited by the rules of say car companies , then the whole dynamic would be different. You don't see car prices going up massively?