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We are graduating two times more students in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) than find jobs in those fields every year. We have a surplus of talented Americans and we need them to get jobs first. I am calling TODAY on Disney to hire back every one of the workers they replaced.

That's it, I'm down with Trump.

I think he's the first candidate in US History to flat out not bullshit about the nonsense STEM shortage...

I bet Hillary's position is something like "I talk to Silly Con valley executives who tell me without South Asians with fake tech school diplomas working for $11/hr..."

thunderlips11 says

fake tech school diplomas

Also fake resumes that claim '10 years experience'. Some manage to swim but many sink. It's disgusting the extent to which the culture of cheating and lying is tolerated, even condoned in Indian engineering programs.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Call me when Trump is hunting H-1B

Is it the H1-B that should be hunted or their employer?

MMR says

Is it the H1-B that should be hunted or their employer?

Both.

zzyzzx says

Both

zzyzzx says

We are graduating two times more students in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) than find jobs in those fields every year

Except they aren't US nationals; They are foreign and would probably need an H1-B or J-1 visa to stay in the country. The 10% undergrad number is also trending upward for this reason:

"Abdou Youssef, the chairman of the computer science department at George Washington University in Washington, said the national trends reported by the CRA are consistent with what he has seen in his own department.

Youssef said that as economies overseas improve and the middle class expands in China, India and to some extent South America, enrollments in U.S. graduate schools increase. "They can afford to come... and they are coming in large numbers to master's and Ph.D. programs," he said."

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2496243/it-careers/foreign-students-now-a-majority-in-computer-science-grad-schools.html

International students make up 70% of Grad EE students in the US not to mention In computer science, international students make up 63 percent of the full-time graduate students. In industrial engineering, economics, chemical engineering, materials engineering and mechanical engineering more than half the full-time graduate students are foreign nationals

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2013/07/15/international-students-are-70-of-ee-grad-students-in-u-s/

Would it make sense for U.S. companies to ignore such a large pool of talent if they want to compete globally? It is a reasonable question and I think most companies would say it would not make sense to ignore this talent pool.

Sounds like what you are advocating is for H1-B abusing companies to hire US citizen undergrads or the 30% of advanced degree holders that carry a passport. While I don't agree with anyone saying that there is a STEM shortage per se, I doubt that all those jobs could be filled by US passport holders alone.

Having said that, I agree that the jobs that can be filled by citizens should be filled by citizens first and then (and only then) should the H1B program be used to fill in gaps. By limiting the H1-B census, it will be easier for employers to hire the most qualified of the lot instead of just dumping warm bodies on job sites, also partially accomplished using the L-1 in wake of the H1-B caps.

In addition to H1-B reform, I would also suggest that it would be easier for US passport holders to get employed by closing the loopholes on the L-1 visas

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2902277/white-house-making-it-easier-to-get-an-l-1-visa.html

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2484694/it-outsourcing/it-offshore-outsourcers-are-top-l-1-visa-users--u-s--says.html

Call it KKKrazy says

Why not sic the DOJ on ALL companies that replace American workers with undocumented workers?

Put Real Americans(tm) in jail? Heaven forbid!!!!

US Natives and Residents earning STEM degrees to outpace domestic STEM job creation by 55%. STEM glut.

A compelling body of research is now available, from many leading academic researchers and from respected research organizations such as the National Bureau of Economic Research, the RAND Corporation, and the Urban Institute. No one has been able to find any evidence indicating current widespread labor market shortages or hiring difficulties in science and engineering occupations that require bachelors degrees or higher, although some are forecasting high growth in occupations that require post-high school training but not a bachelors degree. All have concluded that U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings-the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more. Were there to be a genuine shortage at present, there would be evidence of employers raising wage offers to attract the scientists and engineers they want. But the evidence points in the other direction: Most studies report that real wages in many-but not all-science and engineering occupations have been flat or slow-growing, and unemployment as high or higher than in many comparably-skilled occupations.

thunderlips11 says

No one has been able to find any evidence indicating current widespread labor market shortages or hiring difficulties in science and engineering occupations that require bachelors degrees or higher

Absolutely not true. There is a severe shortage of science and engineering candidates with master's degrees and 10 years experience willing to work 90 hours a week for 40k a year that are fluent in hindi. There are clearly no qualified american candidates so there should be unlimited H-1b visa's until lazy american stem workers get with the program.

It will be refreshing to have someone in there that Loves Americans.

...and gets along with everybody.

thunderlips11 says

I bet Hillary's position is something like "I talk to Silly Con valley executives who tell me without South Asians with fake tech school diplomas working for $11/hr..."

Oh, they got a raise??

If Trump makes this a major campaign issues-watch the donations to Hillary's foundation soar from tech companies. I think she already got 140 million bucks and gets 300k per speech. next the major H1B users will be inviting her for "speeches" and pay her 3 million per hour.

thunderlips11 says

US Natives and Residents earning STEM degrees to outpace domestic STEM job creation by 55%. STEM glut.

The devil is in the details.

Competent computer science graduates have ample employment opportunities. Math and physics majors do not. Simultaneous shortages and surpluses are possible just as they are in post-secondary education as a whole.

drew_eckhardt says

Competent computer science graduates have ample employment opportunities.

Then pay scales are going up nicely. Whoops, maybe not.

Anti-Americanism is breeding!

"Corporations are People" can hire anyone they choose & charge whatever they choose as in health insurance & medical care.

If anyone doesn't like it, they must be Communist,Unregulated Free Market Capitalism Haters.

DIE! FUCKING AMERICAN LOATHERS! FUCKING DIE!

From http://fusion.net/story/223664/donald-trump-mark-zuckerberg-h1b-visa-gop-debate/

Later in the debate, Quick pointed out Trump’s mistake. “I read it on the Donald J. Trump website,” she told him, asking for his actual position.

“I’m in favor of people coming into this country legally. You can call it anything you want,” he said. But he didn’t address his blatant contradiction on Zuckerberg earlier.

At the debate, Trump seemed to endorse Zuckerberg’s position of increasing the cap on these highly-coveted visas. “He’s complaining about the fact that we’re losing some of the most talented people,” Trump said of Zuckerberg. Immigrants, he said, “go to Harvard, they go to Princeton, they go to Yale, and they go back to their countries.”

But his website seems to suggest that he opposes raising the annual cap on H-1B’s, making the argument that the visa program hurts minorities and women workers by increasing competition for jobs.

The argument he made tonight, at least, is surprisingly pro-immigrant for Trump, and on an issue that is a big deal for young immigrants and big tech companies alike. (The crowd at Columbia University’s School of Public and International Affairs, where I’m watching the debate, erupted in cheers at the statement.)

Why try to fix 2percent of jobs, go after 50 percent. That is manufacturing jobs. Ch Ina has been subsidizing manufactrring and stealing jobs. For a factory there could be 5000 employees and side business jobs but 10 high tech it jobs.

So why chase 2 percent of It jobs, specially when it takes lot of math which most Americans cant do. Also you want smart people to come to this country and keep it rich. Most inventions, business, etc were started by immigrants.

You hear lot about it on internet because, IT folks can blog online, but manufacturing people dont as much.

bob2356 says

Competent computer science graduates have ample employment opportunities.

Then pay scales are going up nicely. Whoops, maybe not.

They are going way up.

New graduates at big Silicon Valley companies now get $100-$115K base salaries with $170-$190K total compensation.

Trump is da man!