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barbarians
The word originated in ancient Rome, to describe the comparatively less civilized peoples of what later came to be known as the Barbary States. Interestingly, it stuck.
I clearly claimed there are exceptions.
You claimed it, because you mistake the rule for "exceptions". Islam is reasserting itself, as it tends to do. When weak, it appears meek; when powerful, it becomes more assertive and lethal. Islam is a force, like war or fire. You can have a little of each, people arguing over coffee in front of the fireplace, and no one gets hurt as long as the Muslims aren't allowed to kill the blasphemers. Once these forces get larger though, they can burn down your house and kill huge numbers of people. At 1% of a democracy, Islam might look like a colorful fire in the fireplace, and an interesting debate. Islam becomes more dangerous above 5%, as cartoonists in Denmark and France learned. Above 20% of a democracy, Islam begins burning the carpet and filling the house with smoke, making discussion dangerous and freedom much more difficult to maintain. Above 50%, Islam burns down the house and the non-Muslims tend either to die or flee. I base those percentages on data from around the world. You base your position on blind faith, and make the same mistake W made. I have not mistaken what you believe; rather, your belief is mistaken.
I do pay careful attention to what people say including the beliefs they express. I've cited detailed data including surveys from around the world. You accuse me of assuming, because that false accusation comforts you somehow. You prefer to imagine your anecdotal experience as a representative sample of the larger whole. In that way, it is actually your M.O. to make baseless (or nearly baseless) claims about what other people believe, not mine.
BTW, you never answered the questions:
Gladly. Pence....
@Rew, how do you believe Pence would compare to Bush 43? On what evidence do you base that opinion? Do you consider Bush 43 a successful Presidency?
@Rew, I had intended that as a serious question. You haven't replied at all, while posting a dozen other comments in the three days since. I am honestly trying to understand why you would "gladly" welcome someone who seems by every measure worse than W. Did you support W, and his war in Iraq? Do you believe that worked out well?
Are you saying people who believe in sharia laws are already civilized?
Do they not have a civilization?
Some forms of government allow a person to choose a religious or a secular court, depending on what they like. It also depends on how fundamentalist the form of sharia is. Most of sharia law though would definitely not be a legal system I would wish for myself or greater community. It's pretty archaic by Western standards.
Do you know where language like "these barbarians" and "not being civilized" has been used by people at previous points in history?
The true civilization of Islam is the way Mohammad practiced it....Rape Murder Plunder Pillage and Slavery. We see that today in ISIS, terrorists, and sharia law believers. If you don't think that is barbarism, what is barbarism to you?
This safe place shit is just out of hand. There is truly no such world in which everybody can think and do as they like and not be offended by someone else thinking and expressing contrary views. In addition, the idea that we need to protect ourselves from hearing such contrary views is so childish, it should be laughed out of the room.
IMO, the only legitimate way to frame the need for a safe space is in terms of someone being handicapped. For instance, if someone has PTSD from being raped or being in a war, those people have a mental handicap that limits their ability to be exposed to certain things. Colleges might want to make sure that they can accommodate those people in some way. This could be through a special classroom or meeting or something to discuss certain topics. If someone wants to frame being Muslim as a handicap, then go for it. The idea that we need to prevent society from discussing anything that might possibly offend some individual is just ridiculous.
Finally, there is one thing that pretty much everybody on PatNet can probably agree.
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... and the Goldsmiths Feminists express "solidarity"... with the Islamists!
http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/12/islamist-students-try-to-disrupt-ex-muslim-maryam-namazies-talk-on-blasphemy-at-goldsmiths-university