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I saw an old friend I've known since we were in our early 20's, yesterday.
He and his wife asked me, "so (me) are you still a Democrat?"

I'll spare you all of the details, but after my 3 hour visit, it went from Geers and hisses, to his wife Irene(lovely smart lady) telling me she will seek out unbiased information on Trump and stop letting CNN spoon feed them misinformation on Trump. They were Hillary supporters, they had no Idea that She created ISIS, nor the importance of what Crime Hillary commited by hosting her own email. Though we both agreed on a concensus that She should have been on a secure network, and not some funky cut rate dial up public internet. and that oversight rests clearly on the IT folks in Washington.
Nor did they understand all of the Bengahzi actually they weren't even familar with the Bengahzi contoversy or that it even happened. They had no idea about Sidney Blumenthal but they were so bloody certain that Trump would be the next Hitler.

You know just your basic low information voters, the Left leaning journalist creeps keeps talking about.

Are we going to bother having a Nevada thread?

Having shown that, I prefer this Trump location:

Michigan poll:
Trump 35%
Kasich 17%
Cruz 12%
Rubio 12%
Carson 9%

North Carolina poll:
Trump 36%
Cruz 18%
Rubio 18%
Carson 10%
Kasich 7%

Illinois poll:
Trump 28%
Cruz 15%
Rubio 14%
Kasich 13%
Bush 8%
Carson 6%

Trump leading in Ohio:
The Quinnipiac University survey released Tuesday shows GOP presidential front-runner Trump beating Kasich 31 percent to 26 percent in Ohio, which will holds its primary March 15 in a winner-take-all contest. Ted Cruz comes in third with 21 percent support, followed by Marco Rubio with 13 percent and Ben Carson with 5 percent.

Hopefully the DNC wakes the fuck up and ditches IHLary for President Sanders

Sanders +6. Nice, nice

Now i see why you're so afraid!!!

Trump has got this. The thing is, when Trump goes up against people cooler heads prevail.
Trump hasn't gone up against the Democrat contender yet. The Democrats are worrying their asses off.

Looking great

Hilary loses to repubs, where Sanders beats them

I'm hopeful that there's still enough freedom loving Americans left here that love our country, that will do what's smart and elect Sanders, and make America great!

Feel the Bern!!!

errc says

Hilary loses to repubs, where Sanders beats them

Funny just last month Jeb was the only one that could beat Hillary. NO! I believe that they said, everyone but Trump beats Hillary.
Now they are saying the same about Bernie. This has been the most bottom feeder poltical race I've ever seen.
The media would claim that Pond Scum polls better than Trump if the super PACs paid them to do so.

It's so funny, they keep having Megyn Kelly host these Town Halls in an attempt to either force Trump to show and get dumped on with the worst questions, or make up baloney about him being a quitter.

Quitter shit doesn't work because nobody really believes Trump isn't Combative, too much evidence to the contrary. Indeed, by not showing up he looks like he's sticking to his guns and not taking any bullshit from Fix News

Also because those watching a debate without Trump get to see what Establishment Airbags the other candidates are in the absence of Trump riding roughshod over them.

The new media propaganda schtick about Trump is the imaginary 38% barrier they imposed on Trump.

errc says

Looking great

Hilary loses to repubs, where Sanders beats them

I'm hopeful that there's still enough freedom loving Americans left here that love our country, that will do what's smart and elect Sanders, and make America great!

Feel the Bern!!!

Agree, methinks Bernie is a much tougher opponent to beat than that immense hirsute lesbian.

Ironman says

But, if it turns out to be the Donald and Bernie show, I don't think Bernie would stand a chance. There are already a bunch of economists looking at his overall plan and not liking it. Trump would tear it apart and expose it for what it is, totally unworkable.

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

tatupu70 says

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

You're right is unfathomable. But to millions of Americans do you know what that is?
He is the only guy up there that even gives a crap about the Ameircan people that he would dare to dream an impossible dream, like the Hoover dam must have sounded, or oh what about that silly stupid idea to create a canal clear accross the Panama Jungle, that would NEVER work. Those crazy furking kooks!

They threw out the cost of 10B somewhere to build the wall like thats an impossible amount, its the same cost as 5 B2 bombers chump change.

tatupu70 says

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

Yeah, a tax on WU/Money Gram remittances to Mexico, or a tariff, is totally impossible?

thunderlips11 says

tatupu70 says

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

Yeah, a tax on WU/Money Gram remittances to Mexico, or a tariff, is totally impossible?

Sure-but neither of those options is Mexico paying. Those are US paying and increasing taxes/tariffs to pay for it.

you miss the point. its all bullshit.
trump supporters don't give a shit about policy.
in this cycle it has become more important to blow up the system completely.
too much bitterness between the parties to get anything done.
This is the first, albeit risky, step towards restoring normalcy in the US government.

tatupu70 says

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

tatupu70 says

Sure-but neither of those options is Mexico paying. Those are US paying and increasing taxes/tariffs to pay for it.

SoftShell says

trump supporters don't give a shit about policy

That is because they have had all the policy fools come in and then change completely after winning -serving their corporate masters instead.

You can say anything you want, but nobody actually does it. trump is restoring free speech and letting the normal people out-recapturing the asylum from the leftie lunatics that have ruled it.

SoftShell says

trump supporters don't give a shit about policy.

Bullshit! Nobody cares more about Policy than me, and I love his stance on negotiating these bullshit Free Trade Treaties that have hurt the General Welfare and so absolutely no sign of bringing in the alleged millions of high paying high tech jobs of the future.

And I like his less belligerent stance on Russia, and his more belligerent stance on ISIS.

This is of course why you can't stand him, you prefer ISIS to overthrow Assad, and then hope the Magic Monkey Army descends from the heavens to suddenly destroy ISIS, replacing it with a magical, fully functional democracy from out of nowhere - just like you Neocons planned but failed to do in Iraq (and Libya).

Corporate Inversions and Hybrid Mismatching needs to be taken care of, we need to change the territorial taxation of US Companies which is from another era. His plan isn't my preferred one, but he's got a plan to deal with it, and this is a major issue. Hopefully he'll deal with the "Arm's Length" nonsense between Corporate Subsidiaries, too.

tatupu70 says

Sure-but neither of those options is Mexico paying. Those are US paying and increasing taxes/tariffs to pay for it.

Not at all - Mexican Guest workers and illegals are Mexican citizens, no? And Remittances bring in almost as much as Oil to the Mexican government. So yeah, Mexicans are paying for it when they are taxed on sending $200 to sobrino Juan Maria instead of spending it at local businesses in the USA.

Not many everyday Americans send remittances abroad on a regular basis.

thunderlips11 says

Not at all - Mexican Guest workers and illegals are Mexican citizens, no? And Remittances bring in almost as much as Oil to the Mexican government. So yeah, Mexicans are paying for it when they are taxed on sending $200 to sobrino Juan Maria instead of spending it at local businesses in the USA.

Not many everyday Americans send remittances abroad on a regular basis.

Some Mexicans living in the US would pay for a little of it. And a LOT of US citizens and Mexican Americans would pay for most of it. (not sure what "everyday" American means)

We can quibble about it, but you know I'm right. That isn't what Trump means when he says he's going to get Mexico to pay for it.

And his estimate for the cost is ridiculous as well, but none of it really matters because the wall will never get built. I just find it funny that a Trump supporter has the nerve to call out Bernie for his proposals being unrealistic.

tatupu70 says

And his estimate for the cost is ridiculous as well, but none of it really matters because the wall will never get built. I just find it funny that a Trump supporter has the nerve to call out Bernie for his proposals being unrealistic.

This doesn't refer to me, right? I haven't complained about Bernie

tatupu70 says

We can quibble about it, but you know I'm right. That isn't what Trump means when he says he's going to get Mexico to pay for it.

Not at all. Mexico will pay and staff the wall, to keep their Tariff from being too high.

Did you know the Constitution only expressly requires the Senate to approve treaties, but not to abrogate them? :)

Oh, it's not entirely clear, but that SCOTUS decision could take a LOOOOOOOOONG time after Trump unilaterally abrogates NAFTA as President.

If he did so, by the way, his popularity would probably go to 80%. He'd be more popular than Bush after 9/11. The Establishment doesn't understand this.

thunderlips11 says

This doesn't refer to me, right? I haven't complained about Bernie

No--CIC. He started the discussion.

Also--I would love for him to scrap NAFTA. The shitstorm that would cause in DC would be fun to watch.

Ironman says

Oh Geez.... It's illegals paying who send their money back to Mexico, NOT the US...

It's not worth wasting time on this discussion, but LOTS of 1st or 2nd gen. citizens of a variety of nationalities send money back home.

SoftShell says

you miss the point. its all bullshit.

trump supporters don't give a shit about policy.

I liked everything you said but this part. I think Trump supporters are far more in tune to how the policies of the last 20 years has affected everyone on every level.
Than your average person that would have been a Bush supporter, or is supporting Hillary right now.
I think Bush would have done a solid 18% to 20% all the way up to the Primaries. If it had not be a fait accompli that Bush was not going to be the primary winner, not by voter count anyway.
I've talked to way to many people the last 6 months or so, mostly people that don't support Trump.
Say "I like Bush, but I don't think he stands a s snowball's chance in hell of winning. Otherwise I would vote him."

IF those people really understood democracy. They would have been voting for someone,(in their case Bush) and not against someone like Trump.
These people like most Libs really don't understand what a precious gift Democracy truly is.

thunderlips11 says

Not at all. Mexico will pay and staff the wall, to keep their Tariff from being too high.

That's one way to make Mexico to pay for the wall, but you forgot about the other obvious choice, which is to require a hefty fee from anyone legally immigrating from Mexico or Central or South America.

Ironman says

We weren't talking about OTHER nationalities, we were discussing Mexico. But in usually TATTY form, when proven wrong, just change up the discussion to something different. You're the ultimate Strawman!!

We weren't talking about anything as I was posting to Thunder.

tatupu70 says

Also--I would love for him to scrap NAFTA. The shitstorm that would cause in DC would be fun to watch.

C'mon Tatupu, pull the lever for Trump if Bernie doesn't win. You KNOW Hillary would never dare (or want), even if it was clear the President could abrogate treaties without Congress.

Now for the post-Nevada Glenn Beck report... I might be exaggerating a bit, but it really ain't all that far off from what he said....

"If you look at ferret-owning, Nevada voters between the ages of 27y 3mos and 31y 6mos, Cruz is the TRUE AND CLEAR winner in Nevada... and Trump lost, folks! It's just that simple. In a head-to-head race, Cruz wins over Trump."

Seriously, Beck is rapidly losing his marbles...

on edit:
"The vast majority of trump supporters don't give a shit about policy."

thunderlips11 says

SoftShell says

trump supporters don't give a shit about policy.

Bullshit! Nobody cares more about Policy than me, and I love his stance on negotiating these bullshit

Trump stomped all over Becks picnic...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/23/video-donald-trump-crashes-nevada-caucus-site-as-glenn-beck-stumps-for-ted-cruz/

pushing Beck off the deep end...

turtledove says

Seriously, Beck is rapidly losing his marbles...

Cruz voters are the kind of sniveling Dominionist Freaks who hate their own freedom and yearn for John Calvin to rule them and save them from having to make morality and life choices. I mean that without exaggeration.

thunderlips11 says

Cruz voters ... hate their own freedom and yearn for John Calvin to rule them

You mean “Americans"?

Okay, I have the funniest Establishment "prediction" of all.

National Review: "Nevada is Rubio's Firewall" - December 2015
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428823/marco-rubio-nevada-caucuses-ted-cruz

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

Trump has repeatedly stiffed contractors/vendors, sued many former business associates to void contracts, frittered away any influence he once had among New York City's developers, and defaulted on so many bank loans that there are few left who are stupid enough to lend to him.

But he is a friend to the common man, and would never break any promises to someone like me!

HydroCabron says

Trump has repeatedly stiffed contractors/vendors, sued many former business associates to void contracts, frittered away any influence he once had among New York City's developers, and defaulted on so many bank loans that there are few left who are stupid enough to lend to him.

But he is a friend to the common man, and would never break any promises to someone like me!

Not to mention the Trump University scam that he's about to go to trial on...

It's all relative

And this coming on the tail end of eight years of Obama. After eight years of Bush. With a Senate that has a 9% approval rating.

Mr Trump had that tv show we liked to watch him fire people. And he ain't one of them, so by default, he's one of us

A vote for Trump is exactly the same as Richard Pryor NONE OF THE ABOVE

HydroCabron says

Trump has repeatedly stiffed contractors/vendors, sued many former business associates to void contracts, frittered away any influence he once had among New York City's developers, and defaulted on so many bank loans that there are few left who are stupid enough to lend to him.

Hillary campaigned around the country for Bill's slashed housing budgets and near doubling of the federal prison budget. Her remarks in the Welfare Reform era is dogwhistling on race to the max. When she was campaigning for Goldwater, Bernie was getting arrested for fighting segregation. Yet the corrupt Black Caucu$ endorses Hillary.
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

As for Trump, nobody runs multi-billion dollar businesses with hundreds of companies and investment vehicles and god knows how many tens of thousands of contracts for everything from usage of IP to steel girders to tile floors without legal battles. If this spin was true, then his record is perfect for abrogating NAFTA, GATT, and WTO. If he does nothing but abrogate treaties left and right, Congress will not be able to pass them again and his Presidency will be a success.

Hillary called her most supportive base of black voters "Lazy" and "Super Predators" throughout the 90s during the Welfare Reform era.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/23/reason-for-record-republican-voter-turnout-trump/

"GOP contests in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina have drawn more than 1.2 million voters, up 24 percent over 2012...

In sharp contrast, the showdown between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders has drawn just 510,000 voters, down 21 percent from the last contested Democratic primaries in 2008."

and everyone knows that the Nevada turnout only added to that HUGE lead.