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tatupu70 says

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

You're right is unfathomable. But to millions of Americans do you know what that is?
He is the only guy up there that even gives a crap about the Ameircan people that he would dare to dream an impossible dream, like the Hoover dam must have sounded, or oh what about that silly stupid idea to create a canal clear accross the Panama Jungle, that would NEVER work. Those crazy furking kooks!

They threw out the cost of 10B somewhere to build the wall like thats an impossible amount, its the same cost as 5 B2 bombers chump change.

tatupu70 says

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

Yeah, a tax on WU/Money Gram remittances to Mexico, or a tariff, is totally impossible?

thunderlips11 says

tatupu70 says

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

Yeah, a tax on WU/Money Gram remittances to Mexico, or a tariff, is totally impossible?

Sure-but neither of those options is Mexico paying. Those are US paying and increasing taxes/tariffs to pay for it.

you miss the point. its all bullshit.
trump supporters don't give a shit about policy.
in this cycle it has become more important to blow up the system completely.
too much bitterness between the parties to get anything done.
This is the first, albeit risky, step towards restoring normalcy in the US government.

tatupu70 says

lol--as compared with Donald's plan to build a wall across the entire southern border and have Mexico pay for it?? Yes, that's totally possible.

tatupu70 says

Sure-but neither of those options is Mexico paying. Those are US paying and increasing taxes/tariffs to pay for it.

SoftShell says

trump supporters don't give a shit about policy

That is because they have had all the policy fools come in and then change completely after winning -serving their corporate masters instead.

You can say anything you want, but nobody actually does it. trump is restoring free speech and letting the normal people out-recapturing the asylum from the leftie lunatics that have ruled it.

SoftShell says

trump supporters don't give a shit about policy.

Bullshit! Nobody cares more about Policy than me, and I love his stance on negotiating these bullshit Free Trade Treaties that have hurt the General Welfare and so absolutely no sign of bringing in the alleged millions of high paying high tech jobs of the future.

And I like his less belligerent stance on Russia, and his more belligerent stance on ISIS.

This is of course why you can't stand him, you prefer ISIS to overthrow Assad, and then hope the Magic Monkey Army descends from the heavens to suddenly destroy ISIS, replacing it with a magical, fully functional democracy from out of nowhere - just like you Neocons planned but failed to do in Iraq (and Libya).

Corporate Inversions and Hybrid Mismatching needs to be taken care of, we need to change the territorial taxation of US Companies which is from another era. His plan isn't my preferred one, but he's got a plan to deal with it, and this is a major issue. Hopefully he'll deal with the "Arm's Length" nonsense between Corporate Subsidiaries, too.

tatupu70 says

Sure-but neither of those options is Mexico paying. Those are US paying and increasing taxes/tariffs to pay for it.

Not at all - Mexican Guest workers and illegals are Mexican citizens, no? And Remittances bring in almost as much as Oil to the Mexican government. So yeah, Mexicans are paying for it when they are taxed on sending $200 to sobrino Juan Maria instead of spending it at local businesses in the USA.

Not many everyday Americans send remittances abroad on a regular basis.

thunderlips11 says

Not at all - Mexican Guest workers and illegals are Mexican citizens, no? And Remittances bring in almost as much as Oil to the Mexican government. So yeah, Mexicans are paying for it when they are taxed on sending $200 to sobrino Juan Maria instead of spending it at local businesses in the USA.

Not many everyday Americans send remittances abroad on a regular basis.

Some Mexicans living in the US would pay for a little of it. And a LOT of US citizens and Mexican Americans would pay for most of it. (not sure what "everyday" American means)

We can quibble about it, but you know I'm right. That isn't what Trump means when he says he's going to get Mexico to pay for it.

And his estimate for the cost is ridiculous as well, but none of it really matters because the wall will never get built. I just find it funny that a Trump supporter has the nerve to call out Bernie for his proposals being unrealistic.

tatupu70 says

And his estimate for the cost is ridiculous as well, but none of it really matters because the wall will never get built. I just find it funny that a Trump supporter has the nerve to call out Bernie for his proposals being unrealistic.

This doesn't refer to me, right? I haven't complained about Bernie

tatupu70 says

We can quibble about it, but you know I'm right. That isn't what Trump means when he says he's going to get Mexico to pay for it.

Not at all. Mexico will pay and staff the wall, to keep their Tariff from being too high.

Did you know the Constitution only expressly requires the Senate to approve treaties, but not to abrogate them? :)

Oh, it's not entirely clear, but that SCOTUS decision could take a LOOOOOOOOONG time after Trump unilaterally abrogates NAFTA as President.

If he did so, by the way, his popularity would probably go to 80%. He'd be more popular than Bush after 9/11. The Establishment doesn't understand this.

thunderlips11 says

This doesn't refer to me, right? I haven't complained about Bernie

No--CIC. He started the discussion.

Also--I would love for him to scrap NAFTA. The shitstorm that would cause in DC would be fun to watch.

Ironman says

Oh Geez.... It's illegals paying who send their money back to Mexico, NOT the US...

It's not worth wasting time on this discussion, but LOTS of 1st or 2nd gen. citizens of a variety of nationalities send money back home.

SoftShell says

you miss the point. its all bullshit.

trump supporters don't give a shit about policy.

I liked everything you said but this part. I think Trump supporters are far more in tune to how the policies of the last 20 years has affected everyone on every level.
Than your average person that would have been a Bush supporter, or is supporting Hillary right now.
I think Bush would have done a solid 18% to 20% all the way up to the Primaries. If it had not be a fait accompli that Bush was not going to be the primary winner, not by voter count anyway.
I've talked to way to many people the last 6 months or so, mostly people that don't support Trump.
Say "I like Bush, but I don't think he stands a s snowball's chance in hell of winning. Otherwise I would vote him."

IF those people really understood democracy. They would have been voting for someone,(in their case Bush) and not against someone like Trump.
These people like most Libs really don't understand what a precious gift Democracy truly is.

thunderlips11 says

Not at all. Mexico will pay and staff the wall, to keep their Tariff from being too high.

That's one way to make Mexico to pay for the wall, but you forgot about the other obvious choice, which is to require a hefty fee from anyone legally immigrating from Mexico or Central or South America.

Ironman says

We weren't talking about OTHER nationalities, we were discussing Mexico. But in usually TATTY form, when proven wrong, just change up the discussion to something different. You're the ultimate Strawman!!

We weren't talking about anything as I was posting to Thunder.

tatupu70 says

Also--I would love for him to scrap NAFTA. The shitstorm that would cause in DC would be fun to watch.

C'mon Tatupu, pull the lever for Trump if Bernie doesn't win. You KNOW Hillary would never dare (or want), even if it was clear the President could abrogate treaties without Congress.

Now for the post-Nevada Glenn Beck report... I might be exaggerating a bit, but it really ain't all that far off from what he said....

"If you look at ferret-owning, Nevada voters between the ages of 27y 3mos and 31y 6mos, Cruz is the TRUE AND CLEAR winner in Nevada... and Trump lost, folks! It's just that simple. In a head-to-head race, Cruz wins over Trump."

Seriously, Beck is rapidly losing his marbles...

on edit:
"The vast majority of trump supporters don't give a shit about policy."

thunderlips11 says

SoftShell says

trump supporters don't give a shit about policy.

Bullshit! Nobody cares more about Policy than me, and I love his stance on negotiating these bullshit

Trump stomped all over Becks picnic...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/23/video-donald-trump-crashes-nevada-caucus-site-as-glenn-beck-stumps-for-ted-cruz/

pushing Beck off the deep end...

turtledove says

Seriously, Beck is rapidly losing his marbles...

Cruz voters are the kind of sniveling Dominionist Freaks who hate their own freedom and yearn for John Calvin to rule them and save them from having to make morality and life choices. I mean that without exaggeration.

thunderlips11 says

Cruz voters ... hate their own freedom and yearn for John Calvin to rule them

You mean “Americans"?

Okay, I have the funniest Establishment "prediction" of all.

National Review: "Nevada is Rubio's Firewall" - December 2015
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428823/marco-rubio-nevada-caucuses-ted-cruz

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

Trump has repeatedly stiffed contractors/vendors, sued many former business associates to void contracts, frittered away any influence he once had among New York City's developers, and defaulted on so many bank loans that there are few left who are stupid enough to lend to him.

But he is a friend to the common man, and would never break any promises to someone like me!

HydroCabron says

Trump has repeatedly stiffed contractors/vendors, sued many former business associates to void contracts, frittered away any influence he once had among New York City's developers, and defaulted on so many bank loans that there are few left who are stupid enough to lend to him.

But he is a friend to the common man, and would never break any promises to someone like me!

Not to mention the Trump University scam that he's about to go to trial on...

It's all relative

And this coming on the tail end of eight years of Obama. After eight years of Bush. With a Senate that has a 9% approval rating.

Mr Trump had that tv show we liked to watch him fire people. And he ain't one of them, so by default, he's one of us

A vote for Trump is exactly the same as Richard Pryor NONE OF THE ABOVE

HydroCabron says

Trump has repeatedly stiffed contractors/vendors, sued many former business associates to void contracts, frittered away any influence he once had among New York City's developers, and defaulted on so many bank loans that there are few left who are stupid enough to lend to him.

Hillary campaigned around the country for Bill's slashed housing budgets and near doubling of the federal prison budget. Her remarks in the Welfare Reform era is dogwhistling on race to the max. When she was campaigning for Goldwater, Bernie was getting arrested for fighting segregation. Yet the corrupt Black Caucu$ endorses Hillary.
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

As for Trump, nobody runs multi-billion dollar businesses with hundreds of companies and investment vehicles and god knows how many tens of thousands of contracts for everything from usage of IP to steel girders to tile floors without legal battles. If this spin was true, then his record is perfect for abrogating NAFTA, GATT, and WTO. If he does nothing but abrogate treaties left and right, Congress will not be able to pass them again and his Presidency will be a success.

Hillary called her most supportive base of black voters "Lazy" and "Super Predators" throughout the 90s during the Welfare Reform era.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/23/reason-for-record-republican-voter-turnout-trump/

"GOP contests in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina have drawn more than 1.2 million voters, up 24 percent over 2012...

In sharp contrast, the showdown between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders has drawn just 510,000 voters, down 21 percent from the last contested Democratic primaries in 2008."

and everyone knows that the Nevada turnout only added to that HUGE lead.

thunderlips11 says

As for Trump, nobody runs multi-billion dollar businesses with hundreds of companies and investment vehicles and god knows how many tens of thousands of contracts for everything from usage of IP to steel girders to tile floors without legal battles.

Plenty do, and still have friends in town. Plenty also do not routinely refuse to pay for services rendered, whereas Trump is known for being an unreliable account.

Whatever Hillary says or does has no bearing on the facts about Trump.

I am aware that Trump is known to hate immigrants more than Hillary - although you seem to believe she hates minorities, which for some reason hurts her in your eyes, though if Trump said those things it would only enhance his aura.

Have you so internalized the GOP talking points about Hillary that Trump is off- limits to criticism? Can't they both suck?

Trump secured ~35k votes in Nevada, or am I looking at the wrong things

That's hardly data upon which to draw any grand conclusion over, in a nation of 330 million

Trump wants to carpet bomb isis
The Clintons are literally in bed with The bank of ISIS

They can both be pieces of shit, but gun to your head, how could anyone vote for the rotund and hairy, menopausal piece of shit. (Hilary not trump, in case that wasn't clear ;)

HydroCabron says

I am aware that Trump is known to hate immigrants more than Hillary - although you seem to believe she hates minorities, which for some reason hurts her in your eyes, though if Trump said those things it would only enhance his aura.

I don't think Hillary hates minorities, but she is happy to dogwhistle whites on black crime and defending the slashing of affordable housing and massively expanding the prison complex.

HydroCabron says

Have you so internalized the GOP talking points about Hillary that Trump is off- limits to criticism? Can't they both suck?

Yes - they can both suck. My school-prison pipeline and welfare reform dogwhistling criticism against Hillary was coming from the Left, not the Right.

When you see it....

Hey Thunder. When I first looked at your picture, I couldn't figure out what was wrong with her right boob. it seemed a bit misshapen. And then I'm thinking... and why are her boobs right under her chin? Talk about a breast lift gone wrong! And then, I realized I was looking at her right shoulder.... and it all made sense again.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/270580-trump-picks-up-first-congressional-endorsement
Trump gets first lawmaker endorsements

GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump has secured his first two endorsements from members of Congress following his big win Tuesday in Nevada's caucuses.

Reps. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) and Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) on Wednesday both endorsed Trump, who looks increasingly likely to become the party's nominee.

Trump has struggled to win support from officeholders, who have been reluctant to embrace the man who has shaken up the GOP presidential race like no one before him.

Not a single member of Congress had endorsed Trump before his win in Nevada, though this week has seen a flurry of endorsements for Marco Rubio, who has yet to beat Trump in any contest.

Collins complimented Trump's policies on national security and trade in announcing his endorsement.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270566-trump-1-point-behind-cruz-in-texas-poll
Trump within 1 of Cruz in Texas poll

Cruz has 29 percent support in Texas, followed closely by Trump, at 28 percent, and Marco Rubio, at 25 percent, according to an Emerson College poll released Wednesday. John Kasich takes 9 percent support, with Ben Carson at 4 percent.

Great. Just reported on @FoxNews that many people who supported @JebBush are now supporting me. I knew that would happen, pundits didn't!