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Tenpoundbass says

See that's why you want a country like Trump will bring back

So looked like the little punk Rubio got some punches in last night. Though to me he looked like a petulant teenager. If Trump does not end up winning-Rick perry now has joined the Rubio bandwagon about a brokered convention and said he would offer himself as the nominee, methinks something is brewing-would you vote for the repubs.
if Trump doe snot win nomination, I will skip the Presidential part of the election like I did last time. I could not bring myself to vote Mitt Romeny or Obama for the 2nd time. I did vote for the clown once.

zzyzzx says

Whining Millenial gets fired over Yelp post

Perfect example of young and stupid.

lostand confused says

So looked like the little punk Rubio got some punches in last night. Though to me he looked like a petulant teenager.

He looked like a 15 year old gloating like he won a debate with his parents because he told them Fuck you and didn't get his ass beat by Dad.

I've seen that look before he nailed it. Whether he thought he would wihn withat that or not, it's not the mealy mouthed petty little piss stain you want running the country.
I like the calm cool and collect guy in the middle Hulking over them while they were throwing punches. That was the face of a winner.

lostand confused says

if Trump doe snot win nomination

Trump is polling even with Cruz in Texas. If Trump manages to win there, it will probably be over.

Trump all the way! Did you see that man's nerves of steel as he towered over those two knuckleheads.
The biggest loser last night was CNN AGAIN. That wasn't a debate it was a Trump hit Peice.
And very unfair to Carson and Kasich that is if they are actually stil in it to win it at this point. Or if they are just being filler to siphon votes off of the front runner. If that's the case then there is no doubt their campains are all being financed by the same PAC.

There's only two candidates left.

Trump against the Establishment.

The Establishment is cheathing, they have 4 horses in the race, Trump already won.

Aholes!

I like the way Trump leans over and looks down at his opponents when they are attacking him. He leans into them.
The other way around they sulk, sink down, and pull back from his assault.

Pathetic little pissweassles.

Gets low paying customer service job when NBC is hiring unskilled cub reporters at $600,000/year. Duh!

Eurosocialist weenies seem to think that portraying Donald as Uncle Sam is a smear and an attack.
I don't think they understand how this thing works.

Best Donald Portrait hands down! Thanks you yellow toothed (because they only have one) Brits!

zzyzzx says

which is why we announced in December that we are expanding our Eat24 customer support team into our Phoenix office where [we] will pay the same wage.”

Here it wasn't that complicated.

zzyzzx says

The reason why you were/are in the predicament you are now is because you put yourself there. You made poor financial decisions because you wanted to live in a fancy apartment that you could not afford.”

$1,245 in SF is not a fancy apartment. It's probably a bunk bed with 3 others in the same room.

Strategist says

Perfect example of young and stupid.

Perfect example of extraordinary cynicism from elders who had it MUCH easier, could afford reasonable accommodations for equivalent jobs, and had much better opportunities all around, and managed to screw up the country and put their kids in this situation.

Blurtman says

Gets low paying customer service job when NBC is hiring unskilled cub reporters at $600,000/year. Duh!

Think of all the millenials who are on the Police Beat, covering the Water Utility quarterly meeting, paying their dues for years, getting paid $10/hr at best. Up comes Chelsea Clinton without an iota of journalism experience, into a job that pays over half a million - and works part time at best.

Networking means Nepotism over Merit.

Heraclitusstudent says

Perfect example of extraordinary cynicism from elders who had it MUCH easier, could afford reasonable accommodations for equivalent jobs, and had much better opportunities all around, and managed to screw up the country and put their kids in this situation.

Exactly. And there wasn't tens of millions of illegals, unskilled legals, and H2s and H1s competing with native American youth for jobs.

The 70s created more net new jobs than net adults added to the workforce. People confuse a flat stock market and high inflation with a bad labor market. The labor market was much, much better for both educated and uneducated people in the 70s. The mix of jobs was vastly superior, also.

Heraclitusstudent says

$1,245 in SF is not a fancy apartment. It's probably a bunk bed with 3 others in the same room.

If you're willing to live in one of the neighborhoods farther away from downtown you can get a small studio for that. Not fancy but not a shared room/apt. either, plus good air and exercise if you bike in.

Heraclitusstudent says

Perfect example of extraordinary cynicism from elders who had it MUCH easier, could afford reasonable accommodations for equivalent jobs, and had much better opportunities all around, and managed to screw up the country and put their kids in this situation.

Difficult to say. I agree that her parents generation has better economic affordability due to less debasement and less stagflation, but working conditions weren't necessarily always easier or safer back then, though the total working hours (esp. combined for a couple) may have been less.

The problem is not so much acknowledging that they have it harder economically, but to see that they are buying into this system while bitching about it. Move to a different state were rents are less than half the price, do not use expensive smart phones or social media, instead use the time to further advance your skills or work extra jobs. Do not watch and/or pay for TV. Share your internet connection with someone and split the bill. Buy cheap non-hip laptops. Go train outside and save gym money. Do not go into student or any debt (esp. not for a useless degree). Do not buy an overpriced house. Cohabit with friends and save money, do not care about status. Do not use the heater/AC (better for your health anyways) unless absolutely necessary. Ditch your car for a bicycle if you live in a city like SF, use rideshare/zipcar for the rest. Do not vote for socialists or globalists. Do not buy drinks when going out (opt for free water), do not go to fancy restaurants. Go galt whereever you can. You will find that 99% already sto listening when you tell them to stop wasting internet time and money on social media or ditch their TV.

Problem with low cost areas is that for a young person, far less career opportunities. A small city in a cheaper state may have only one employer in a field, and no alternatives.

Young people move to cities for the opportunities.

But your advice is generally spot on. But the opportunities today are much less than before. A 25-year old in the 60s/70s already had enough money from even non-college non-trade work to think about buying a home. Today they are living like crap, with a big fat college loan on top of it all.

We hear about dues paying, but most boomers, even those without college or a trade, had "paid their entry level dues" by 25 and were on the upward ladder, thinking about cars, houses, kids, and wedding payments. There are so few opportunities in the Freely Traded Away America, that you got 25 year olds making near minimum wages despite doing what used to be reasonably well paid full time work, trying to defer their student loans.

A large portion of this discrepancy isn't even labor conditions, but the cost of employer provided medical benefits.

True, but here in SF the rent by the ocean is easily 30-50% cheaper than downtown - while the climate and the air is better! And it takes no more than 20-45 minutes to take the bus, car or bike to get into the city, def. acceptable commute. Though I am considered higher income even here in the bay area (which means jack shit after taking care of kid(s) and extended family), I have never owned an expensive web phone, never paid more than $150 for one, never had a cell phone plan over $30 and never paid more than $1600 in rent (unless I was co-habitating and the sole payer) in the bay area. Bought most of my clothes at Ross type stores, maybe go clothes shopping once or twice a year. Always buy used cars only w/ cash and negotiate. Also, don't get a pet if you cannot afford it. Many young people complaining about the high cost of living strangely enough own a pet (or more!) which is easily $50/month.

mell says

True, but here in SF the rent by the ocean is easily 30-50% cheaper than downtown - while the climate and the air is better! And it takes no more than 20-45 minutes to take the bus, car or bike to get into the city, def. acceptable commute. Though I am considered higher income even here in the bay area (which means jack shit after taking care of kid(s) and extended family), I have never owned an expensive web phone, never paid more than $150 for one, never had a cell phone plan over $30 and never paid more than $1600 in rent (unless I was co-habitating and the sole payer) in the bay area. Bought most of my clothes at Ross type stores, maybe go clothes shopping once or twice a year. Always buy used cars only w/ cash and negotiate. Also, don't get a pet if you cannot afford it. Many young people complaining about the high cost of living strangely enough own a pet (or more!) which is easily $50/month.

Agreed with all of this. If I did it again, I would live in a van down by the river and BBQ every night at 18-25, working a menial job but socking away cash like no tomorrow for a food truck while trying to get a Lineman/Plumbing apprenticeship.

Shit, my Freshman and Sophomore summers, I lived in a Cheech and Chong van, aka the "Party Wagon" had a great time. Showered at friends houses, parked in their parent's cul-de-sacs, moved every few days, no biggie. Put in a futon and a Coleman cooler. And if the van was a rockin' don't come a knockin. At 18-19, Chicks think living in a van is badass and cool. Best memory: driving down the LIE coming back from a Tom Petty Concert with 2 hot chicks and my drunk buddies mooning other drivers out the window opening the big sliding door on the side.

Yeah, I used to make fun of my buddy making a good tech salary while living in an RV for years. He was the smart one. Also he was more skilled at all things mechanical so he had an edge there as well. He bought an island somewhere off of Panama for chump change, built a small house and retired I think still in his 30s (at least that was the last status). While I never lived in a car except for 1 month during the tech boom high-noon where it was impossible to find an apartment, I had a futon, laptop, pair of skis/snowboard and an electric guitar as my only possessions for a while. Really didn't miss anything else except for a good stereo.

Ironman says

a 25 year old today can do the same thing as in 60s/70s. Taking on college debt is his CHOICE, he isn't forced.

You're really living under a rock, aren't you:

Ironman says

That's because we didn't over-extend ourselves with school loans, fancy cars and all that entitlement shit.

If you had more than 2 brain cells fighting each other you would understand that when you earn 1400 and pay 1200 in rent, you don't own a car, you don't own a phone, you don't do jack shit. You just struggle to eat and then sleep.

Ironman says

No, I live in reality, while you live in some fantasy land... I have 3 millennial kids who made it work. It's whiners like you who blame everyone else.

3 making it is not a statistic.

Heraclitusstudent says

You're really living under a rock, aren't you:

The argument here is though not to take that degree then. Go start at a car-mechanic, plumber or whatever and learn some good trades instead. They can keep raising the costs because of the bought-in narrative. Worse they will get already working class people to pay for these inflated costs for mostly useless degrees via taxes for "free tuition". If at all tuition prices should be dropping like a rock with all the new technology, but professors and universities are clinging to their wealth and status by peddling and enforcing their narrative. If back then it was a good value proposition and today it isn't anymore then don't pursue that degree.

zzyzzx says

A 25-year-old college graduate with a degree in English literature was fired from Yelp soon after she posted a blistering open letter to Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman complaining that she was underpaid.

On my 23rd birthday I started a job straight after graduating from college and was making $144k/yr. Rent was $10k/yr. There are advantages to majoring in STEM rather than "English". I speak English as well as any native speaker. I did not have to major in it.

Young adults need to seriously consider whether or not their college degree helps them in the real world. As a CS major, I was able to take real-world jobs related to my career that paid for almost all of my college. The few thousand in loans I had left I paid off within six months of graduating before interest even accrued, right after I paid off my car loan.

And I started with almost no savings. My first paycheck came after my fourth week of work (paid biweekly but with a delay for the initial payroll). I had $100 left in my checking account and my second months rent was coming due. As soon as I got my first paycheck, I never had to worry about money again. As soon as I paid off my car loan and student loans, I was never in debt again.

It pays to do something useful that damn few other people can do and that's hard work, but fun. Most college women are idiots for not realizing how good STEM students are as potential husbands. We're damn good providers, faithful, and far better partners than the jocks and business majors they prefer. A lot of young adults, particularly women, are foolish for choosing useless majors like English, communications, women's studies, history, etc. Courses in such subjects are at best ancillary information. Students need to look at college as a work training camp and nothing more. If you cannot extract useful skills from college, it's not worth the price.

Ironman says

When it gets bench marked against all their friends and whiners like you, it does.

Did you intend to contradict the graph I posted?
Moron.

Dan8267 says

On my 23rd birthday I started a job straight after graduating from college and was making $144k/yr. Rent was $10k/yr. There are advantages to majoring in STEM rather than "English". I speak English as well as any native speaker. I did not have to major in it.

Not everyone will ever be a major in STEM. Not everyone is cut out for that. Not every graduate will come from a low tuition school.

When you say people have to do something useful, you mean flipping burgers or answering the phone, which is what this person does.

But then... how much was an English literature major making in the 60's? With careers in media and journalism, publishing, teaching and academic, advertising, marketing, PR... Of course these careers offer a tiny bit less opportunities now, especially if you have just English literature....

Her only error was to think that she could have the same her parents had. She should have known her generation was sold to pay for her parents retirements.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

She could move into the car, drive for Uber X and turn tricks when she doesn't have a paying Uber X fair or when she does - $20 for the ride $20 for the hand job and find shared space in a garage cook meth. On weekends she could rob liquor stores and use the proceeds to buy chains to pull ATMs out of walls with the car and drills to open them up.

Just typical Millennial complete lack of initiative

Heraclitusstudent says

Dan8267 says

On my 23rd birthday I started a job straight after graduating from college and was making $144k/yr. Rent was $10k/yr. There are advantages to majoring in STEM rather than "English". I speak English as well as any native speaker. I did not have to major in it.

Not everyone will ever be a major in STEM. Not everyone is cut out for that. Not every graduate will come from a low tuition school.

You missed the point.

If a person is going to spend four years and tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars on college, then that person damn well should be choosing a major that is going to return enough to cover that investment.

Oh, and my college tuition was hardly low.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

She could move into the car, drive for Uber X and turn tricks when she doesn't have a paying Uber X fair or when she does - $20 for the ride $20 for the hand job and find shared space in a garage cook meth.

You just described CIC's life -- and I use the term "life" loosely.

From the Huffington's Post article, she was working in "customer support", i.e. a help-desk position answer calls from morons who can't use computers. Her annual salary was about $19,064. Well the hell go to college for four years to get an unskilled job that $9.17/hr. That's a McSalary. I made more as an intern back in the 1990s.

There is no point in performing any job that does not pay a living salary after you graduate from college. Time spent on that job would be better spent looking for another job or improving your skills. She's making bad life decisions.

Dan8267 says

Her annual salary was about $19,064. Well the hell go to college for four years to get an unskilled job that $9.17/hr. That's a McSalary. I made more as an intern back in the 1990s.

Exactly right. Hell, $20k + benefits would have been entry level salary with NO experience for an English Major in the late 80s/early 90s working at a small paper or advertising "Pennysaver" type free classified or any analogous outfit in those times. Of course, that's when gas was 79-89 cents, ground beef was 89 cents a pound, a studio or 1 bed for $600/month inc. water and garbage - in Northern NJ or Long Island, not exactly one of the cheaper places in the country.

Come to think of it, I made about the same cleaning out and restocking Sears Service Trucks in the early 90s as a college student part time in NJ. 22 years ago, when Tom Petty's "Last Dance with Mary Jane" and Ace of Base's songs were hot new songs on the radio, now those songs are on the Oldies station. Yet today media firms are paying college graduates $9/hr to do non-manual work.

But you ain't paying 89 cents for Ground Beef or a dozen eggs or a gallon of gas.

Wages pump up, they don't trickle down.

I made $9/hr at 18-19 with bupkiss experience doing manual labor when these songs were hits:

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www.o0qyP1bA-ME

Now 22 years later this is "Whinging" to be a college graduate working in an office making the same sum. Shit, some college graduates weren't even conceived yet in 1994, when unskilled workers made $9/hr.

Gimme a break, folks.

#MakeAmericaGreatAgain

When I left school, I was in debt from student loans ($10k), had no vehicle, little money, and had moved to a location where I knew no one, had no job, and was relying on public transportation to get around in an area not known for great public transportation, San Diego.

I am sure things are different now. Youth is an adventure, and yes, the system is gamed. Give it the finger and go about enjoying your life.

When I was young, we didn't even have cars. People just sat around in engineless vehicles wondering how they were going to get around town, go to work, or run errands.

I had no money, no friends, no job, no phone, no lights, no motorcar - not a single luxury. As primitive as can be. As primitive as can be.

So I started teaching folks how to make their cars go by means of pushing them along with their feet as they sat in them. First Fred, then his neighbor Barney.

We really didn't have much, but we had character and a work ethic, unlike these spoiled Millennials, who want an IV, catheter and colostomy bag installed at taxpayer expense, and with the tubing out of the way of the Playstation controller.

It makes me sick. That's Why Trump is the only solution.

Quality of Life in The Bay Area will be Much Improved when those Hipsters and their Hip Employers have downsized and left the region, to Phoenix or Bangalore or wherever.

Look, as Grannie aged she started to lose touch with current pricing. So let me help you boomers by comparing a different timeframe.

If you told somebody in 1994 that they should be earning, with a college degree, what an unskilled gas station employee earned in 1974 while paying 1994 prices, you'd think they were apeshit. That's why those who say "Stop Whinging" to a college graduate making single-digits-per-hour come off as ludicrously unreasonable.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-27/peak-whine-life-good-starving-struggling-complaining-ex-yelp-employee

Apparently she has (had) enough money for bulleit and coffee-infused face-masks. How about water and soap?

Ironman says

There's that "personal responsibility" issue again.

yes, but it's also an issue of guidance. Lack of guidance can cause poor decision making

HydroCabron says

As primitive as can be. As primitive as can be.

you were on gilligan's island? How did you make it back ultimately?

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

She's got two hands. She can give two hand jobs

the world needs ditchdiggers and handjobbers, part of the oldest professions in the world

Ironman says

Whiners only whine

squeaky wheels often get greased

Ironman says

scouts

Like your sons, my brother and I were Eagle scouts in New Mexico. About 40% of our troop achieved it vs the 2% worldwide average. I can't really say I have much pride in it, although it was a decent amount of work over several years. My brother and I were discriminated against, as all the other guys (over 10 people) who made Eagle were also Order of the Arrow. Plain racism and politics involving some of the scoutmasters and their punk ass kids.

Also seems to be a haven for pedophiles. I was once targeted by a pedophile but was deemed 'not easy prey' few years earlier, while in middle school, but that guy went on to abuse someone else soon after I left for college. They didn't have the sense back then to put in the rules not to allow scoutmasters to share tents with scouts. Very dumb for Boy Scouts of America, whose upper management had their heads in the sand, or possibly covered up at the national level. The guy got busted for viewing child porn in 2011 in Montana after an incident with a 13 year old kid in 1997 in New Mexico. He got 12 years in prison, which he certainly deserves and probably should have been prosecuted more harshly in New Mexico.

https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-274285161.html

Camping was otherwise fun, but I can't really motivate myself to go camping or fishing anymore.

Also, I think that 1/3 of the troops are mormon churches and our town had two troops with the other being the mormon troop, who consisted of a bunch of slackers. Although I know many nice mormon people, a lot of mormons are socially conservative in outlook with the times and many are quite homophobic. I never heard them say shit about pedophiles, but they sure did make a big deal about gay scoutmasters few years back.

By wearing our scout uniforms in public, we were actually objects of ridicule by our peers in fundraising efforts (selling popcorn at the rodeo for 5 summers) and even in patriotic activities like raising the flag prior to high school football games.

Some of the losers from my troop have linkedin pages where they still show pride over being an eagle scout and member of OA. The guys father was a doctor and head scoutmaster and this asshole is a GED holder who got his life together and does some low level IT work in Albuquerque.

When I have children, I'd rather have my own children put that effort into other tasks. For example, getting into college sports is way more prestigious than being an eagle scout, IMO and in the eyes of most college admissions people. Scouts was pretty time consuming once I hit high school and was difficult to finish the requirements in before graduating after starting in 8th grade, late compared to kids from cub scouts. In retrospect, it would have been time better spent with coaching sports and working out at the gym pumping iron, learning olympic lifts, running sprints, developing footwork, agility, speed and quickness on the field through practice and playing various sports. But then again, unlike New Jersey, New Mexico sucks for that, as it's a predominantly, backwater shithole, especially McKinley county, which is the lowest of the low.

Scholarship in athletics is definitely better way to pay for college (easier to get than an academic scholarship, due to sheer number of slots). I haven't heard of any worthwhile eagle scout scholarship. Lastly, your classmates/peers (and probably some teachers) aren't likely to laugh at you for playing at a high level, that's for damn sure. Some people might have been jealous of me in High school, but it sure as hell wasn't because I was an eagle scout. Most of the kids in scouts were insufferable fags, who I tolerated to make my parents happy, particularly my dad, who pushed really hard for it. I succeeded and achieved a high level of accomplishment due to work ethic and drive which was mostly instilled by my parents.

thunderlips11 says

Stop Whinging" to a college graduate making single-digits-per-hour come off as ludicrously unreasonable.

I hear you, but I would say they should fund those no pay degrees by doing school part time while making bank at a trade of some sort.