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Heraclitusstudent says

You think good intentions make a difference?

Of course intentions make a difference.

tatupu70 says

Who is talking about "good intentions". Trump is advocating for purposely killing innocent people. I'm saying let's not kill innocents.

Where?

YesYNot says

Of course intentions make a difference.

Not in ISIS Videos they don't. Not in the Wahabi Madrassahs and Mosques all over the Arab world.

"US accidentally bombs Pashtu Wedding Party" becomes "Crusaders admit they killed the innocents! ULULULU Bi-li Kafa Shai-Hulud! Stillsuit Akbar!"

And the more educated, less radical Muslims won't say
"Well, intent is magic; I'll take their Apology."
They say "The US must stop bombing now!"

Shit, they've got half the world convinced Gaza with multiple multi-story shopping malls, countless 6+ Story Concrete and Steel Apartment Buildings, and a large Outdoor Water Park that just broke a Guiness World Record for baking the largest Arab delicacy in history, is an "Open Air Concentration Camp"

thunderlips11 says

Where?

He says to kill the family of terrorists. Surely you don't think being a relative of a criminal makes you one too? (and don't call me Shirley)

thunderlips11 says

Not in ISIS Videos they don't. Not in the Wahabi Madrassahs and Mosques all over the Arab world.

1) I'd rather follow our own code of conduct than the ISIS code.
2) We need to convince a variety of people from other western countries to moderate Muslims that we are the good guys. We need to act that way.

thunderlips11 says

"US accidentally bombs Pashtu Wedding Party" becomes "Crusaders admit they killed the innocents! ULULULU Bi-li Kafa Shai-Hulud! Stillsuit Akbar!"

Just because someone is willing to lie and say we killed innocents intentionally doesn't give us the right to do so.

YesYNot says

Of course intentions make a difference.

Ok, sure. The US killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq. I'm sure your good intentions meant a lot to them.
I recommend not ever going close to a war.

Heraclitusstudent says

I recommend not ever going close to a war.

I do my best to avoid them.

Here are some hypotheticals:
1) The Donald was driving home from a campaign event and got into a car accident. Your mother was killed.
2) Someone stole the Donald's wallet. He was driving recklessly trying to catch up to the tranny prostitute who stole it, and got into a car accident. Your mother was killed.
3) The Donald was drunk and making Romney blow him while driving home from a campaign event and got into a car accident. Your mother was killed.
4) Someone told the Donald that you were a terrorist. He killed your mother, gave a thumbs up, and said he had a big dick. The terrorists can suck it.

I recommend not having the Donald kill your mother, but until further notice, I am going to assume his intentions would have an impact on how you would feel about it.

I guess it's a moot point now, b/c the Donald has realized that he was wrong and reversed course once again. This time he realized that he really shouldn't break international laws and kill innocent people, even if he wants to.

It's clear that he's just throwing things out there to see how they play and then deciding how to proceed based on the reactions he gets.

YesYNot says

1) I'd rather follow our own code of conduct than the ISIS code.

Glad to hear it - except it doesn't mean anything in regards to solving the problem. Drone Attacks inevitably kill innocents. US Apologies will be filtered via Arab media and Wahabi/Salafyi "Stop West-toxification" Imams and VIPs.

YesYNot says

2) We need to convince a variety of people from other western countries to moderate Muslims that we are the good guys. We need to act that way.

Been doing that for 15 years. Heraclitus is right, war is hell. Bullshit about just wars and Gentleman's codes of honor is all nice and shit, but it doesn stop precision bombs from hiding the exact target in the center of town. Then the masonry from the explosion flies hundreds of feet in every direction and kills and maims a dozen children nearby.

"But we only meant to kill General Jackass in his office, not babies."
"But you did kill babies, and Liberal Childkilling Interventionist regret cannot resurrect them. Oh, and the Al-McClusky clan has vowed revenge."

"B-but, we didn't mean to. And we don't condone torture."
"One of those kids lingered 3 days before she died the most painful death a toddler ever endured."

Have you forgotten the 30 minute AC-130 105mm shelling of the MSF hospital just months ago?

YesYNot says

I recommend not having the Donald kill your mother, but until further notice, I am going to assume his intentions would have an impact on how you would feel about it.

In half the scenarios you mentioned, his intentions were relatively good but it wouldn't change the way I would feel about it.