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The Roman Elites preferred foreign slaves to domestic proles.

Patrick says

I think they have just about the lowest birth rate in the world.

They need cheap housing and a ban on feminism.

Real TFR in Tier 1 cities in China (Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong) is now 0.25.

Other high tier cities is 0.5.

Those are not tyos.

yawaraf says

Low fertility rate seems desirable until their population drops to a reasonable number.

That's not how population collapse works:



It can't be stopped on a dime, either.

North Korea just has to wait it out and then simply march in. The highways in SK will have 90% empty traffic for Nork tanks to drive on.

Actually, Norks won't have to deploy many tanks by then.

Many ways to split people religion, race, job type,gender, sex, or place of birth,language, melenin amount, wealth amount, Genes, ....
Nature has many different animals n plants to survive different conditions.

Hitler wanted only blond hair blue eyes.
What is homogeneity are we looking for ?

-location of birth GERMAN OR UK born? Small population n we already had 2 world war to decide this homogeneity

-religion protestants then which sect? Catholics n protestants at war ww1 /ww2/ UK vs French vs German

- sex all men , can't reproduce n might turn gay

Not possible to have all homo

Hitler wanted Germany to be for Germans only. Seems reasonable, except that he didn't count German Jews as Germans and wanted them out, one way or another.

Then he also wanted Eastern Europe for the German people to expand into, and started killing lots of Poles and Russians to do it. Not cool.

KgK one says

What is homogeneity are we looking for ?

For America, I think it should remain fundamentally European, allowing only high-value immigrants to agree to thoroughly assimilate into American culture, speaking American English and hopefully also intermarrying with long-established Americans.

The goal should be for all US citizens to have an exclusive commitment to America alone, and not to Somalia, or Mexico, or to Israel for that matter. Only to America.

Sucks to be poles, muslims, Germans, russians.. have tried to take them out.

"For America, I think it should remain fundamentally European, allowing only high-value immigrants to agree to thoroughly assimilate into American culture, speaking American English"

America was never really europen til 300 years ago, millions of natives lived here who taught first europeans how to farm. Then millions of Africa were brought for cotton picking, then chinese for railroads, poor Italians and Irish potato famine brought more Europeans. US hated those poor europeans in 1920. Europeans are at constant war.

The famous line from the Statue of Liberty is from Emma Lazarus's sonnet, "The New Colossus," which reads, "Give me your tired, your poor, / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and welcomes immigrants, symbolizing hope and freedom, with the full text inscribed on a bronze plaque inside the pedestal.

*Allowing high value immigrants makes perfect sense. Though not great incentive to come to USA if they are high value. Early Europeans were persecuted groups or criminals from French n british. There are too many durg addicts in usa so we could use some high value immigrants.

American English is almost same as british. If you read Shakespeare 400 years ago, English has changed significantly. If to tell most European to speak English, they will try to kill you. French n Germans n many other love their language.
English is distant relatives within the vast Indo-European language family, sharing a common ancestor called Proto-Indo-European (PIE). Future we can have AI develop optimum world language.

Hope no gets offended, goal is to discuss. We are all made from electron ,proton,n neutron and full of empty space.

Chauncey M. Depew, during his speech at the Statue of Liberty’s unveiling on October 28, 1886, said:

The rays from this beacon… will welcome the poor and the persecuted… It will teach them that there is room and brotherhood for all who will support our institutions and aid in our development; but that those who come to disturb our peace and dethrone our laws are aliens and enemies forever.

KgK one says

Sucks to be poles, muslims, Germans, russians.. have tried to take them out.

"For America, I think it should remain fundamentally European, allowing only high-value immigrants to agree to thoroughly assimilate into American culture, speaking American English"

America was never really europen til 300 years ago, millions of natives lived here who taught first europeans how to farm. Then millions of Africa were brought for cotton picking, then chinese for railroads, poor Italians and Irish potato famine brought more Europeans. US hated those poor europeans in 1920. Europeans are at constant war.

The famous line from the Statue of Liberty is from Emma Lazarus's sonnet, "The New Colossus," which reads, "Give me your tired, your poor, / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and welcomes immigrants, symbolizing hope and freedom, with the full text inscribed on a bronze plaque inside the pedestal.

*Allowing high value immigrants makes perfect sense. Though not great incentive to come to USA if they are high value. Early Europeans were persecuted groups or criminals from French n british. There are too many durg addicts in usa so we could use some high value immigrants.

American English is almost same as british. If you read Shakespeare 400 years ago, English has changed significantly. If to tell most European to speak English, they will try to kill you. French n Germans n many other love their language.
English is distant relatives within the vast Indo-European language family, sharing a common ancestor called Proto-Indo-European (PIE). Future we can have AI develop optimum world language.

Hope no gets offended, goal is to discuss. We are all made from electron ,proton,n neutron and full of empty space.

We struggled as a nation, who hasn't, everyone had a hard history. But we stabilized and created a very high trust society. These were times you didn't need to lock your door or your car. Some of us remember that. Even when immigrants came, it wasn't that many, they assimilated and became American. And at some point that changed, some dickhead decided we need to import whole world over for various reasons. And they started importing people from countries where scams are the way of life, assimilating wasn't a thing anymore. Can you blame Nigerian or Somalian for scamming, when this is all they know? We should have known, instead we just let all these scams flourish. You can't bring people like that into a high trust, honor system society. And because of that everything has gone to shit. Streets aren't safe, scams everywhere, and there is no end in sight. We are starting to look and function like third world because we imported third world in such a number that it changed our culture. And we need to undo that.

This is one thing I very much agree with Trump admin on "Import third world, become third world". We did. All I see is massive immigrant scams everywhere, and fraudulent government spending. Not all fraud is immigrants, but that's very widespread and it's culture changing.

Patrick says

Chauncey M. Depew, during his speech at the Statue of Liberty’s unveiling on October 28, 1886, said:

The rays from this beacon… will welcome the poor and the persecuted… It will teach them that there is room and brotherhood for all who will support our institutions and aid in our development; but that those who come to disturb our peace and dethrone our laws are aliens and enemies forever.

Yes agree that we dont need people disturb peace. Somolies etc are doing lot of crimes n fraud should go. For comparing , we can use various crime : fraud, homicide, theft etc of us citizen vs immigrated ones per 100,000k to see .

https://thefederalist.com/2026/01/27/the-fraud-scandal-is-a-bigger-problem-than-cops-can-fix/

Police are funded and staffed on the premise that they’re chasing small numbers of bad guys in a population of honest citizens. If that cultural premise fails, we don’t have the cops to fix it. ...

Two competing memories guide my idea of the cultural solution. First, on a road trip through the small town Midwest, this Los Angeles resident kept stopping at grocery stores and post offices where people baffled me by leaving their cars running — windows down, keys in the car — while they went inside for 10 or 20 minutes to do their business. They assumed, on long evidence, that they were safe from their neighbors, who would not and did not steal.

But second, in Kuwait, as a soldier in 2006, I watched as military arrests piled up and an officer in charge of Iraq War logistics killed himself. In the Middle East, people bidding for giant government contracts politely showed up with suitcases full of cash for the officials who approved the contracts. Of course they did. That’s how business is done, right?

In much of the world, that’s the daily organizing presumption. If there’s a bucket of money, somebody’s going to be shrewd enough and tough enough to take from it, so why would you be weak enough to not grab your share?

The more we undermine the first culture and import the second, the more we’re going to foster public services fraud. That’s not what we want to do.

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

And we need to undo that.

I'm going to bet it's too late for that.

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How did they ever guess it wasn't really theirs?

Patrick says

How did they ever guess it wasn't really theirs?

That baby looks more like one of your kids, Patrick.

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Lol, not possible. Wife is pretty white in spite of her Armenosity, and never had a girlfriend with dark skin.

Patrick says

... on a road trip through the small town Midwest, this Los Angeles resident kept stopping at grocery stores and post offices where people baffled me by leaving their cars running — windows down, keys in the car — while they went inside for 10 or 20 minutes to do their business.

Why? It wastes fuel and idling for this long is not good for the engine. What's the upside?

RWSGFY says

Patrick says

... on a road trip through the small town Midwest, this Los Angeles resident kept stopping at grocery stores and post offices where people baffled me by leaving their cars running — windows down, keys in the car — while they went inside for 10 or 20 minutes to do their business.

Why? It wastes fuel and idling for this long is not good for the engine. What's the upside?

If it's -25 F outside, your battery only has enough juice for one or two starts. Best to keep the car running in case you can't restart it. It also keeps the windows warm so the snow and ice don't build up.

stereotomy says

RWSGFY says

Patrick says

... on a road trip through the small town Midwest, this Los Angeles resident kept stopping at grocery stores and post offices where people baffled me by leaving their cars running — windows down, keys in the car — while they went inside for 10 or 20 minutes to do their business.

Why? It wastes fuel and idling for this long is not good for the engine. What's the upside?

If it's -25 F outside, your battery only has enough juice for one or two starts. Best to keep the car running in case you can't restart it. It also keeps the windows warm so the snow and ice don't build up.

Snow and ice don't build up in 10-20 minutes to matter much. And the OP says "windows down". Not something youʼd want to do in a blizzard (been there). The whole thing is bizarre.

RWSGFY says

stereotomy says

RWSGFY says

Patrick says

... on a road trip through the small town Midwest, this Los Angeles resident kept stopping at grocery stores and post offices where people baffled me by leaving their cars running — windows down, keys in the car — while they went inside for 10 or 20 minutes to do their business.

Why? It wastes fuel and idling for this long is not good for the engine. What's the upside?

If it's -25 F outside, your battery only has enough juice for one or two starts. Best to keep the car running in case you can't restart it. It also keeps the windows warm so the snow and ice don't build up.

Snow and ice don't build up in 10-20 minutes to matter much. And the OP says "windows down". Not something youʼd want to do in a blizzard (been there). The whole thing is bizarre.

The edge case I mentioned is nonetheless a real scenario. I'm just saying that sometimes that behavior makes complete sense; the majority of the time, it probably doesn't.