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YesYNot says

the conversation goes off the rails when he mis interprets things. He doesn't take people at their word, and doesn't get sarcasm. Appreciating George Carlin doesn't mean that you don't have sub par perception of humor and personal skills.

Though YesYNot insists on getting the last word, and usually I let him, I will compromise this time by linking to what he said before. I don't take obvious liars at their word, because that would be stupid. I looked again at his comment that first persuaded me he's a lying troll, and I still don't get the sarcasm or humor. Whether that reflects subpar perception on my part, I will leave for others to judge. As for personal skills, I do have a very low opinion of lying, especially where it risks getting other people killed, so I have been less friendly towards YesYNot since then. He is obsessive though, and lies about having lied, so I won't be surprised if he insists on getting the last word again, even though I will link again to ensure the last words are already his.

Oh aspy, I was impressed at your restraint so far on this thread. Exercise that restraint some more, and move forward.

bob2356 says

mell says

but all in all you don't even arrive at 10% of people that MUST get diabetes due to genetic/environmental/viral factors combined regardless of their lifestyle

That's not what i've read. Here is some contradictory research. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25515001 The number here is 1 in 3 or 33% who are normal bmi with diabetes. They do respond to weight loss also, the current theory is there is a fat threshold that when crossed triggers diabetes which is independent of bmi. There was a big article about this a couple years ago, but I can't find it right now.

I am not discounting the fat threshold and it may play a bigger role than the BMI itself as you can have a relatively high BMI with all muscles and no fat. Still the majority of people with high BMI also have high fat, and in the abstract it says that the median BMI was "just" 28. 28 is freaking high unless you're a strength athlete. We have definitely evolved to a society where overweight is the new normal. My BMI is between 24-25 and likely a bit skewed as I am very tall with a muscular build, however I would like it to be lower - or - pack more muscle and less fat for the same weight. Yet I have had people telling me that I look or may look "too skinny" if I lose any (more) weight. That is crazy. Same goes for women, if you look at what was supposed to be model size and a reasonable clothing size in general and how the sizes have blown up now (aka "normalized") you know people in most western countries are overweight. In fact, there is no contradiction that those with "normal" BMI respond as well as like I mentioned those with a predisposition to develop it easier likely need to maintain even less weight / body fat than the others. And the fastest way to lose weight that is mostly compromised of fat is to go very low carb into a continuous or repeated state of mild ketosis.

YesYNot says

Also, it is more the visceral fat (around organs)

another place where BMI fails miserably. Lot of south asians have normal BMI but relatively high rates of CVD and T2DM. This is correlated with them being "skinny fat" IOW, having significant deposits of visceral fat

MMR says

BMI fails miserably.

Bmi is not a measure of fat. It is simply an easy to measure risk factor. As such, it fails at what it is not and excels at what it is.

Since Curious questions the "high functioning" part, can we just say "autistic"? Do autistic people bring every conversation, no matter how innocuous, to Obamneycare? Is that a symptom?

Could be, but I am no expert on mental disorders. Whatever it is, I am confident that we could narrow his particular flavor of illness down to the "people you avoid at parties".

CL says

Since Curious questions the "high functioning" part, can we just say "autistic"? Do autistic people bring every conversation, no matter how innocuous, to Obamneycare?

As anyone can see, 80% of my posts have nothing to do with Obamneycare. This post asked about tax liability, which cannot be understood accurately without considering the Obamneycare tax penalty. Besides, I wasn't even the first in this thread to point out the Obamneycare tax penalty. You posted questions and I answered honestly and you reply in a way that shows you are an ungrateful partisan whose priority is partisan high fiving rather than objective fact. I helped you in a prior thread too, but this time you seem to have been "triggered" by the mention of relevant facts about your cherished Obamneycare, which I hadn't mentioned in the prior thread. You should just thank me and move on.

CL says

can we just say "autistic"?

From http://www.autism.org.uk/labels

High-functioning autism and Asperger syndrome are both part of the autism spectrum. The main difference between the two is thought to be in language development: people with Asperger syndrome, typically, will not have had delayed language development when younger.

Of course we don't know if Aspy is actually on the spectrum, but if so, we would not be able to differentiate between Aspergers and autism. I'm going to use Aspy as hydro suggested so that nobody searching for Aspergers happens to stumble onto this train wreck of a conversation.

As I explained here, it's not the spectrum issues that are the problem so much as the bitterness. Combined, they produce:
CL says

Whatever it is, I am confident that we could narrow his particular flavor of illness down to the "people you avoid at parties".

so that nobody searching for Aspergers happens to stumble onto this train wreck of a conversation

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I just read the entire thread. And i can see why you would not want anyone to read it.

Either you guys felt dumb for getting owned, and your only comeback to the facts you don't like is to call the messenger a retard; or I'm somewhere on the spectrum myself. Possibly both

errc says

Either you guys felt dumb for getting owned, and your only comeback to the facts you don't like is to call the messenger a retard; or I'm somewhere on the spectrum myself. Possibly both

I can only speak for myself, this thread is not why I'm calling him aspy, and I agree with much of what he's written about taxes here. My reasons are based on interacting with him over the last 4 months, and it's spelled out so some degree in this comment:
http://patrick.net/?p=1286891&c=1279137#comment-1279137

But it's not just one instance. It's a pattern over many threads.

YesYNot says

But it's not just one instance. It's a pattern over many threads.

Though YesYNot insists on getting the last word, and usually I let him, I will compromise again by linking to what he said before. I looked again at his comment that first persuaded me he's a lying troll, and it contained neither sarcasm nor humor. In subsequent comments, he appeared to endorse many current Democrats' proposals to conscript young American men to kill and die on behalf of MIC sponsors in America's current military misadventures, in addition to endorsing Democrats' historic decisions to conscript young men to kill and die on behalf of patronage network sponsors in both Viet Nam and World War I (which he later changed to World War II). He claimed later to have been joking, but I will leave that for others to judge: maybe he has an incredibly horrible sense of humor and likes to joke about actually slaughtering innocent people, in addition to lying about refugees. In terms of diagnoses, he might be a pathological liar, i.e. a person who lies compulsively and out of all proportion to any discernible goal. When counting the lies of a compulsive liar, one may reasonably include some examples that might have seemed borderline if they had come from someone who doesn't lie compulsively. YesYNot is also obsessive, and insists on lying about having lied, so I won't be surprised if he insists on getting the last word again, even though I will link again to ensure the last words are already his.