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indigenous says

Everything above is true...Could there be that many stupid people in this country?

You've copied and pasted another stupid joke, falling for it as if it were true, and expecting PatNet "muitts" to serve as your fact-checkers. You're not stupid, but anybody who wastes time doing your homework for you would have to be.

curious2 says

You've copied and pasted another stupid joke, falling for it as if it were true, and expecting PatNet to serve as your fact-checkers. You're not stupid, but anybody who wastes time on you would have to be.

edumacate us as to the specious parts.

Isn't that really what an election is all about?

Unfortunately the vast majority will simply vote according to how they have been brainwashed.

indigenous says

Isn't that really what an election is all about?

Your haystack buries possibly relevant facts instead of illuminating them. Against my better judgment, I decided to check some source links for you:

indigenous says

Hillary: “You means [sic] taking the $145,000,000.00 from Putin for the Uranium Bribe ? “

That number seems to come from this report in the New York Times, but they did not call it a bribe.

indigenous says

Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”

Various nut-o-sphere sites made similar claims about hiring the Muslim Brotherhood in the White House, all without any serious evidence, and some were clearly false. The specious claims distract from serious reporting about aid to Egypt during the period when it was dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood.

indigenous says

Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”

He was never our friend. I don't know who paid how much to get that mention into your junk e-mail feed, but you should demand they pay you at least $1 per pageview for spreading it on their behalf.

If you want to do something "edumacational," then check each of your claims before posting them, and add source links, instead of wasting everyone's time. Otherwise you end up illiustrating the "vast right wing conspiracy" does apparently exist, and distracting attention from factual points that an election should be about.

curious2 says

That number seems to come from this report in the New York Times, but they did not call it a bribe.

You wouldn't what would you call it?

From your link:

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover
By WILSON ANDREWS APRIL 22, 2015

Uranium investors’ efforts to buy mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States led to a takeover bid by a Russian state-owned energy company. The investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation over the same period, while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s office was involved with approving the Russian bid.

SEPTEMBER 2005
Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining financier, wins a major uranium deal in Kazakhstan for his company, UrAsia, days after visiting the country with former President Bill Clinton.

2006
Uranium
One
Mr. Giustra donates $31.3 million to the Clinton Foundation.

FEBRUARY 2007
UrAsia merges with a South African mining company and assumes the name Uranium One. In the next two months, the company expands into the United States.

JUNE 2008
Negotations begin for an investment in Uranium One by the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom.
Rosatom

2008-2010
Uranium One and former UrAsia investors make $8.65 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One investors stand to profit on a Rosatom deal.

JUNE 2009
Rosatom subsidiary ARMZ takes a 17 percent ownership stake in Uranium One.
17%
STAKE

2010-2011
Investors give millions more in donations to the Clinton Foundation.

JUNE 2010
Rosatom seeks majority ownership of Uranium One, pending approval by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, of which the State Department is a member.

Rosatom says it does not plan to increase its stake in Uranium One or to take the company private.

JUNE 29, 2010
Bill Clinton is paid $500,000 for a speech in Moscow by a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin that assigned a buy rating to Uranium One stock.

OCTOBER 2010
Rosatom’s majority ownership approved by Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.
51%
STAKE

JANUARY 2013
Rosatom takes full control of Uranium One and takes it private.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/23/us/clinton-foundation-donations-uranium-investors.html

In 1978, Bill Clinton, then attorney general, was engaged in his first gubernatorial election. By year's end, he and his wife, Hillary, would become the youngest First Couple in the history of Arkansas. They were rising stars in Little Rock, but their salaries were relatively modest: Bill made just $35,000 and Hillary just $25,000 as a young associate at the influential Rose Law Firm.

78 inauguration
Weeks before election day, Mrs. Clinton invested about $1,000 in the commodities market. In the next 10 months, she would clear $100,000, an unheard-of return. James Blair, the chief outside counsel for powerful Tyson Foods, oversaw the trades for her.

The Clintons soon made another investment. With developer Jim McDougal and his wife Susan, both longtime friends, they formed the Whitewater Development Corporation to build on lots near the town of Flippin. Questions would later be raised as to how much risk the Clintons really bore in the deal.

Madison
When Bill Clinton lost his first bid for re-election in 1980, Jim McDougal lost his job. The developer, who had been Clinton's economic aide for two years, tried a new profession: banking.

McDougal bought a small bank in Kingston and renamed it the Madison Bank and Trust Company. Three years later, he and Susan McDougal bought a savings and loan and renamed it Madison Guaranty. By the end of 1983, McDougal's bank was involved in ambitious real estate projects from Arkansas to the coast of Maine.

Already, red flags were appearing. That same year, the S&L started to run into trouble with federal regulators for making too many loans outside its service area. And in 1984, the McDougals borrowed $100,000 from Madison Guaranty to pay down the original Whitewater mortgage.

Whitewater
The Clintons and Jim and Susan McDougal were members of what was known as "the Arkansas political family," but neither couple had much money. In 1980, they hatched a moneymaking idea to develop forested lots along the White River in Arkansas. Their pitch: "One weekend here and you'll never want to live anywhere else."

The Clintons and McDougals borrowed about $200,000 from Citizens' Bank to buy Whitewater and without telling Citizens' they borrowed $10,000 from another bank to make the down payment. The Clintons got a half share, although they invested much less.

From there, the loans began to spiral as Whitewater faltered. Just after Clinton lost the governorship in 1980, Hillary Clinton called McDougal asking for money. He believed that Whitewater needed a model home to attract buyers, and he loaned her $30,000 from his small bank to build, own and ultimately sell a three-bedroom, ranch-style unit.

By 1982, the lots still weren't selling, and the two couples had to borrow another $20,000 just to pay interest on their original loan. McDougal began an effort to unload the properties and at one point, he in effect sold the remaining 20 lots to his real estate agent, Chris Wade, for a Piper Seminole airplane. The deal later cost taxpayers $13,000.

At the same time, the McDougals were loaning themselves thousands of dollars from Madison to cover the mortgage. They say they tried to persuade the Clintons to abandon the investment. Hillary Clinton angrily refused. Then, and for several years after, the Clintons were taking tax deductions for interest payments on Whitewater. The deductions were later challenged because the interest payments came from the Whitewater Corporation itself.

In 1988, Mrs. Clinton wrote McDougal, who was having a mental breakdown brought on by the probing into his Madison activities, to ask for power of attorney to sell off the remaining Whitewater lots herself.

Bailout
By the mid-1980s, Jim McDougal was rapidly expanding the reach of Madison Guaranty. He did it by making imprudent loans with such frequency that the Arkansas banking commissioner warned the Clintons of shoddy practices.

Madison's losses were piling up, but the books never showed it. David Hale, an Arkansas judge appointed by Bill Clinton, alleges that the governor and McDougal pressured him to arrange a $300,000 loan to help cover up the problems. Hale did approve a loan of that amount to Susan McDougal, and $110,000 went to Whitewater. Clinton says he was unaware of this.

About the same time, Hillary Clinton, acting as a lawyer for Madison, won state approval of an unusual stock offering to help keep the thrift afloat (the plans were scuttled). By mid-1986, federal regulators removed McDougal as Madison Guaranty's president. By 1989, they closed the failed S&L at a cost to taxpayers of more than $60 million.

Conflict
Hillary Clinton has denied doing any substantial work for the failed Madison Guaranty, as well as charges that any such work was a conflict of interest because her husband was governor. In 1985 and 1986, Mrs. Clinton represented Madison before state regulators appointed by Bill Clinton. One of them, Beverly Bassett Schaffer, approved her unusual stock sale to shore up the troubled S&L.

Exactly what else Mrs. Clinton did for Madison is in dispute. Rose lawyers also became involved in a 1,050-acre land development called Castle Grande. McDougal and Seth Ward, father-in-law of Rose partner Webb Hubbell, were principals in the deal. Federal regulators would call it a "sham transaction" that cost the public $4 million. Hillary Clinton has claimed that a young associate, Rick Massey, effectively handled the case, although records discovered later indicate that she personally billed Madison for 60 hours of work.

Influence
Since the early 1970s, when he refused money from big business in a failed run for Congress, Bill Clinton had matured into a master political fund-raiser. Throughout the 1980s, the governor had done what many politicians do: take personal loans, use them for campaigning and then raise money to repay the loans later. Clinton raised several hundred thousand dollars this way from influential supporters like Don Tyson, the head of Arkansas's powerful Tyson foods.

tyson
But in 1985, the governor's biggest campaign contributor was himself, with help from Jim McDougal of Madison Guaranty. In 1985, Clinton asked McDougal to host a fund-raiser to pay off $50,000 that he had lent his own campaign the year before, as some politicians do. The event raised $35,000. Federal investigators are still looking into charges that much of it came from Madison, in the names of depositors, without their knowledge.

Clinton's eventual successor as governor, Jim Guy Tucker, also received large loans from Madison, and would later go on trial with the McDougals for bank fraud. All three were convicted.

White House
By November 1992, the Clintons were in a position to reward Arkansas friends who had helped them gain the White House and safeguard them from questions about Whitewater along the way. Webb Hubbell, Mrs. Clinton's partner at the Rose Law Firm, was installed as Number Three at the Justice Department, where he would play a role in federal investigations related to Whitewater. Vincent Foster, her other close Rose associate, handled documents related to Madison as deputy White House counsel.

thomason
The Clintons also rewarded Harry and Linda Bloodworth Thomason, Arkansas friends who had become successful TV producers, when they hired Thomason acquaintances to run the White House Travel Office.

Scandal
In March 1992, just as Bill Clinton was making a political comeback in his campaign for president, the news media began to zero in on the Whitewater investment. It began with a New York Times story that suggested the McDougals heavily subsidized the Clintons in the Whitewater investment, and that the Clintons took improper tax deductions from it. The Clinton campaign fired back with a report showing that the couple had made substantial investments in Whitewater and lost about $68,000. This amount would later fall as new documents emerged. But the story stuck, and Whitewater was dead as a campaign issue.

Even so, attorney David Kendall and other close aides to the Clintons begin pulling together records of the Clintons' involvement with McDougal, Whitewater and Madison Guaranty.

Foster's Death
Vincent Foster, the closest partner to Hillary Clinton at the Rose Law Firm, had handled paperwork for the Clintons' most intimate finances. When they sold their Whitewater stake back to Jim McDougal in 1992, Foster represented them.

In 1993, the Clinton Administration's growing troubles weighed heavily on Foster. As deputy White House counsel, he filed three years of tax returns for the Whitewater investment on their behalf. At the same time, he was apparently distraught over the White House Travel Office scandal, in which Mrs. Clinton stood accused of cronyism.

On July 20, Foster was found shot to death in a suburban Washington, D.C., park. His death has been ruled a suicide by three investigations, including, reportedly, the ongoing probe led by Kenneth Starr. Federal and Senate investigators question whether records pertaining to Whitewater, including those detailing Hillary Clinton's controversial legal work, were removed from Foster's office by Clinton aides that night.

Meet the Press
Under increasing pressure from the media on Whitewater, Hillary Clinton called a dramatic press conference in the East Wing of the White House in April 1994. She answered the questions with calm authority, momentarily silencing her critics.

She sought to put two nagging issues to rest:

First, reporters had discovered that Mrs. Clinton had realized a $100,000 return on a $1,000 investment in commodities futures back in 1979. Jim Blair, a friend and chief attorney for Arkansas food giant Tyson, had advised her. Now, the first lady said she had made the trades by herself. Later, she would admit that Blair and others had taken the lead.

Mrs. Clinton also denied having worked on a Madison-related project called Castle Grande, a fraudulent deal that cost the public $4 million. She repeated her written statement to regulators that a young Rose associate, Rick Massey, did most of the work. That assertion was called into question when her billing records were found in early 1996.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/gen/resources/infocus/whitewater/ak.roots.html

Hillary Clinton’s claim that she is not beholden to her wealthy donors will come under renewed scrutiny Friday when the Democratic front-runner raises fresh cash for her presidential bid at the home of George Kaiser, a billionaire whose firm was the biggest investor in the troubled Solyndra stimulus project — and who managed to walk away with a lucrative profit at the expense of taxpayers.

Mrs. Clinton will make a stop at the Tulsa, Oklahoma, home of Mr. Kaiser on Friday afternoon, just days after the former secretary of state rolled out policy proposals aimed at stopping powerful corporations from taking advantage of American taxpayers.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/10/hillary-clinton-fundraiser-host-george-kaiser-got-/?page=all

Former President Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, have sent $28,000 worth of household goods back to Washington after questions arose over whether the items were intended as personal gifts or donations to the White House.

“We have been informed that it is being shipped back, and the National Park Service is ready to receive it, take possession of it and take custody of it,” Jim McDaniel, the National Park Service’s liaison to the White House, said Wednesday.

“The property is being returned to government custody until such time that the issues can be resolved. It may well turn out that that property is rightly the personal property of the Clintons.”

Giving Back

After they were criticized for taking $190,000 worth of china, flatware, rugs, televisions, sofas and other gifts with them when they left, the Clintons announced last week that they would pay for $86,000 worth of gifts, or nearly half the amount.

Their latest decision to send back $28,000 in gifts brings to $114,000 the value of items the Clintons have either decided to pay for or return.

McDaniel discussed the matter Wednesday with Betty Monkman, the White House curator, and Gary Walters, the chief usher, or executive manager of the White House.

They were reviewing the gifts the Clintons chose to keep after $28,000 worth of items were found on a list of donations the Park Service received for the 1993 White House redecoration project. The Washington Post this week quoted three people who said that they assumed the furnishings they donated for the project would stay in the White House.

“As a result of questions about the status of certain property donated to the White House during the Clinton administration, the National Park Service will accept the return of the property in question and act as a custodian of such property,” according to a statement released by the Park Service, which administers the White House as a unit of the national park system.

A person familiar with the Clintons’ move out of the White House, who spoke on condition of anonymity, would say only: “They’ve been returned.”

Furniture Movers

While the Clintons’ decision to return these gifts was a way to get out from under this and other criticism surrounding their departure from the White House, the couple provided scant details about the shipment.

Mrs. Clinton’s office referred all questions about the gift return to the former president’s transition office. Transition office workers said the Clintons would make no statement. They referred all questions to the Park Service, which wasn’t exactly sure which gifts were being returned or where they had been kept.

In a statement released Monday, Clinton’s transition office said every item they accepted was identified by the White House gift office as a present to them. They said none of the gifts taken was on a curator’s list of official White House property.

“Gifts did not leave the White House without the approval of the White House usher’s and curator’s offices,” the statement said. “Of course, if the White House now determines that a cataloging error occurred, ... any item in question will be returned.”

Instead of waiting for the issue to be resolved, the Clintons returned the items.

The gifts in question were: A kitchen table and four chairs valued at $3,650 from Lee Ficks of Cincinnati, Ohio; a $1,000 needlepoint rug from David Martinous of Little Rock, Ark.; two sofas, an easy chair and an ottoman worth $19,900 from Steve Mittman of New York; lamps valued at $1,170 from Stuart Shiller of Hialeah, Fla.; and a $2,843 sofa from Brad Noe, a businessman from California.

The gifts were just one of several flaps that followed the Clintons out of the White House:

Lawmakers are questioning Clinton’s desire to rent expensive office space in New York City at government expense. Because of the contention, the former president’s foundation has offered to pay at least $300,000 of an estimated $790,000 annual rent for the office Clinton favors.

Mrs. Clinton, the new senator from New York, has faced questions about the propriety of accepting the gifts in the period between her election and her swearing-in. Senate rules would have limited what she could accept had she been a senator.

Members of both parties also have criticized Clinton for granting scores of eleventh-hour clemency requests, including the pardon of Marc Rich, a fugitive in Switzerland from 51 counts in the United States of tax evasion and fraud.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121856&page=1

Despicable Donald Trigglipuff and HRC are in a bar.

DDT leans over and says, "Fuck Hill, nothing I do can stop this train. You said a campaign would give my business a boost and wreck the party. Now what do I do? These uneducated low lifes are going to vote my ass into office."