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From Whitewater to Benghazi: A Clinton-Scandal Primer


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2016 Jul 3, 3:15pm   30,363 views  130 comments

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With Hillary Clinton leading the field for the Democratic nomination for president, every Clinton scandal—from Whitewater to the State Department emails—will be under the microscope. (No other American politicians—even ones as corrupt as Richard Nixon, or as hated by partisans as George W. Bush—have fostered the creation of a permanent multimillion-dollar cottage industry devoted to attacking them.) Keeping track of each controversy, where it came from, and how serious it is, is no small task, so here’s a primer. We’ll update it as new information emerges.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/

A what, when, who, and how serious on the following:

State Department Emails
Benghazi
Conflicts of Interest
Private Server
Sidney Blumenthal
Paid Speeches
The Clinton Foundation
The Bad Old Days

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120   turtledove   2016 Jul 7, 2:54pm  

Perhaps things work differently in Hillary's world..... But for anyone else, if you mix business and personal, you pierced the veil of protection for either. For example, if you use your business bank account to pay personal bills and your business gets sued.... You pierced the veil of protection that separates your business liability from personal liability. I remember a similar caution given my husband about his ex-wife. Be careful to keep business and personal separate or you risk everything being opened to discovery.

So why didn't she give up her right to personal privacy the moment she mixed business and personal emails? Are there any lawyers here who can explain why this is different? Because lawyers have repeatedly cautioned us against a very similar thing...

121   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 7, 4:12pm  

Ironman says

You can focus on your little dick for all we care.

Classic. You stopped even trying to connect your insults to anything at all.Ironman says

The question pertains did she willfully lie

You either don't know what intent is or don't know what willful means.

122   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 7, 5:36pm  

I've already answered this many times. I'll repeat:YesYNot says

FBI investigators found no evidence that any work-related emails “were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them”, Comey said.

Last time I pointed this out, you said I had a small dick, and asked why I was focused on intent, which you said wasn't in the statute. Now, you are saying it's all about intent. You make Trump look intelligent even when he is promising to defend the twelfth article of the Constitution.

123   bob2356   2016 Jul 7, 6:02pm  

YesYNot says

If you are saying that the forest is that she should have archived her emails better for the FOI, we can all agree with you. Even Hillary does. All I've been arguing is that the intent that everyone on the right has ascribed to her doesn't make any sense. Her behavior doesn't fit with that intent. The facts don't support it. She turned over the vast majority of her work emails and the ones that she withheld were not any more incriminating than the others, so that appears to the investigators to be an honest mistake.

The forest is the big picture that you guys keep missing because you keep delving into irrelevant minutia. She turned over the vast majority because she got caught. She never would have turned anything over she didn't get caught. That is intent was to bury as much as possible from the FOI act. Yes they could be found with great effort. That doesn't exactly jive, to say the least, with the intent of the Freedom of Information act. The bullshit that it's ok because she finally turned them over after getting caught in a political shit storm it doesn't cut it. Technically legal vs being ethical by following the intent and spirit of the law just aren't the same thing no matter how much you and marcus wish it to be true. That is the facts.

125   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 8, 12:27pm  

Ironman says

See the word "additional", that means the original ones WERE intentionally deleted.

You unbelievably moronic asshole: The additional means in addition to the 30000 that she turned over on her own. The FBI found 3000 additional work related emails, and they found no reason to think that they were intentionally deleted with an effort to conceal them. Go read your link. You are either a complete moron with zero reading comprehension skills or you are a serial liar. They may have been intentionally deleted or may not have. But there is no evidence that they were intentionally deleted with an effort to conceal something. In other words, they didn't have any specific information that would have been particularly damaging to her. All it means is that the records she turned over only contained 90% of all of the emails she sent.

The republican congress critters have been harassing the Clintons with useless investigations in various efforts to grandstand and improve their own standing / chances of reelection and in an effort to smear the Clintons. This should be horribly embarrassing for them. One reason that they continue is that morons like you lap this shit up like dingleberries off of Trumps Cheeto taint. Some people think that these idiots keep thinking that the next investigation will pay off. I don't think that they are anywhere near that stupid. They know it's going nowhere. The thing is that these assholes are usually from some brainwashed shithole where people will idolize them for taking on the Clintons. Take this douchebag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trey_Gowdy. He's from Greenville, SC. I can guarantee you that asshole is scoring political points even if HRC makes him look like an idiot.

Gowdy is a walking waste of resources and an embarrassment to humanity. Take your head out of your lyin ass and you will be amazed at what you see.

126   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 8, 1:13pm  

Ironman says

Why do you continually make up lies? The true fact was "Several thousand" emails. The TOTAL email count on the server was 50,000+, she only turned over 30,000 that SHE claimed were work related. Nobody but HER knows what was on the other 20,000.

The others were deleted, and were not likely work related. Only in your rancid imagination can you convict someone based on your own sick presumptions. 30,000 is roughtly 90% of the [work related] emails sent. I should have stated work-related. My error. Back to the main point:

FBI investigators found no evidence that any work-related emails “were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them”, Comey said.

Ironman says

We weren't discussing any of them here. Why do you ALWAYS go off on some lame brain tangent

It's completely germane, because it is the source of bullshit that you read. If asshats like Gowdy didn't waste everybody's time and money, your fucked up news sources wouldn't have the demented stories that you and T-Rex-a-dimbulb like to read and propagate here.

127   Rew   2016 Jul 8, 1:36pm  

I hope Trump stays on this message of trying to make Hillary a villain. Heaven help us if he actually put forward rival policy that made sense and could be seen as a serious alternative. Of course, I think that likelihood is pretty small. Thoughtful speaker and statesmen is not really Donald. Cannot wait to see who his 'lucky' VP will be! Gonna be yuge!

128   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 8, 1:47pm  

Ironman says

Ha Ha ha... EXACTLY what you did above.

Yes. People are presumed innocent in our country. Perhaps article 12 of the constitution makes an exception for Clintons.

129   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Jul 8, 6:35pm  

Rew says

I hope Trump stays on this message of trying to make Hillary a villain. Heaven help us if he actually put forward rival policy that made sense and could be seen as a serious alternative. Of course, I think that likelihood is pretty small. Thoughtful speaker and statesmen is not really Donald. Cannot wait to see who his 'lucky' VP will be! Gonna be yuge!

This already happened. Did you miss Hillary's Statement a few weeks ago detailing her W part 2 foreign policy in response to Trump leveraging us out of NATO and not willy-nilly destabilizing dictators?

130   marcus   2016 Jul 8, 6:46pm  

YesYNot says

Perhaps article 12 of the constitution makes an exception for Clintons.

Good one.

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