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NuttBoxer says

Most believers in a religion tend to stay away from the fringes, but when you destroy the fabric of their society, over a sustained period of time through war, you are going to get a larger percentage of the population gravitating towards these extremists.

The issue is that many of these attackers are homegrown, I believe this guy was a French citizen of Tunisian descent. It is not even a question of split loyalties, this is outright sedition and treason. He is the french version of the "disaffected." Besides, Islam does not really recognize national borders as their followers are instructed to have only religious loyalty in the name of worldwide caliphate.

dublin hillz says

this is outright sedition and treason

Agreed.

As are Confederate flags in front of statehouses.

HydroCabron says

I had thought that Patrick.net was now mostly Stormfront racists

HydroCabron says

At least Bush fixed Iraq: Got rid of that bad ol' Saddam who was funding all the terrorists.

Glad you pointed out that Obama stopped it and hillary voted for it. Job well done

NuttBoxer says

And yes, France has actively been involved in the bombings under the guise of the UN.

Yes, they also have too many ghettoized muslims. Bringing them in en masse and allowing them to ghettoize is the biggest fuck-up. This pattern is repeated throughout Western and Northern Europe.

indigenous says

US complicity is just swallowing the military industrial kool aid

Friends in government helping friends in private sector and also boosting their(congressmen) stock portfolios.

indigenous says

Do you really think that the Muslim terrorists have killed a fraction of that

around the world, many multiples of that.

Ironman says

Here's a map of the route the truck took:

good lord, the guy drove more than a mile....

MMR says

Bringing them in en masse and allowing them to ghettoize....

are both mistakes, but the first is the biggest by far. Even with opportunities to integrate, Muslims tend to self-segregate around mosques. The Islamic worldview differs profoundly from the western view, and Muslim parents who want to "protect" their children from western influence are highly motivated to self-segregate. The only people to bring in from Muslim countries are those who are trying to get away from all that, e.g. atheists and other non-Muslims who want to avoid getting killed by Muslims. Current policy of invade&import brings in believers: wherever they go, they bring their problems with them.

curious2 says

Current policy of invade&import brings in believers: wherever they go, they bring their problems with them.

What is difficult to figure out are the motivations for why the leaders of the liberal nations want to bring in these conservative throwbacks given their assimilation difficulties and general anti-liberal attitudes. Is it some kind of unconscious death wish? I can't believe that it was simply about need for "cheap labor" considering possible alternative sources.

dublin hillz says

What is difficult to figure out are the motivations for why the leaders of the liberal nations want to bring in these conservative throwbacks given their assimilation difficulties and general anti-liberal attitudes. Is it some kind of unconscious death wish? I can't believe that it was simply about need for "cheap labor" considering possible alternative sources

I think it is a case of some Westerners hate their culture so much that any other culture is seen as superior to their own despite its obvious flaws that they can't resist anything that undermines the hated one. It's all part of multiculti and diversity--there is no real sense that all cultures are equal but that any culture is preferable to bourgeoise Western, white, heterosexual and especially--ESPECIALLY--Christian culture.

dublin hillz says

motivations for why the leaders of the liberal nations

Motivations include funding from the military industrial complex (including mass surveillance) and Saudi petrodollars. When Hillary Clinton said lethal terrorism is "clearly rooted in Islamic thinking," she went on to say (in her Neville Chamberlain way) that we must work with the "moderate" Muslims (who fund her campaign, e.g. Saudi Arabia) and increase surveillance and fight the "radical" Muslims who do what Islam tells them to do. Saudi petrodollars enable infinite borrowing and spending by American politicians, who can become much more powerful if they can continue the existing program.

Meanwhile, the voters are deluded by NATO government and commercial media. Most don't question authority. They see a photo of a child who drowned in the Mediterranean, and hear a politician say we need to continue bombing Syria and importing Muslims. Somehow, the voters don't question why the child drowned, because the cognitive dissonance would be too painful: the child drowned because NATO air power and militias financed by NATO and Saudi Arabia are waging war in Syria. Prior to the decision to "liberate" Syria, there weren't Syrian refugees drowning in the Mediterranean. Now, there are, and the NATO politicians say it justifies continuing the policies that cause it. Somehow, voters believe it, because they prefer to continue trusting their favorite sources more than their own eyes.

curious2 says

Motivations include funding from the military industrial complex

"Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite." Eisenhower

P N Dr Lo R says

"Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite." Eisenhower

Full text here. Other relevant excerpts:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength."

In my opinion, Americans have become too easily divided and manipulated on the basis of delusional fears that obstruct our view of actual threats. Nixon's deals with Saudi Arabia have enabled American politicians to borrow and spend vast sums on the military-industrial complex, thus manifesting the disastrous rise of misplaced power that President Eisenhower warned against. We have wasted too many resources fighting imaginary foes, and fighting amongst ourselves, so we become a spent force when confronted with actual enemies who are actually trying to kill us.

curious2 says

Most don't question authority. They see a photo of a child who drowned in the Mediterranean, and hear a politician say we need to continue bombing Syria and importing Muslims. Somehow, the voters don't question why the child drowned, because the cognitive dissonance would be too painful: the child drowned because NATO air power and militias financed by NATO and Saudi Arabia are waging war in Syria. Prior to the decision to "liberate" Syria, there weren't Syrian refugees drowning in the Mediterranean. Now, there are, and the NATO politicians say it justifies continuing the policies that cause it. Somehow, voters believe it, because they prefer to continue trusting their favorite sources more than their own eyes.

Yep. It started with the policy to destabilize Assad in 2011 - when Hillary was Sec State.

Furthermore, the Turks are using Refugees as a negotiating tool for Germoney; and most of the Med Boat People aren't Syrian, but Eritrean, Somali, etc.

Too many people have a Lord of the Rings view of the world, the Good Liberal Gondorians against the Authoritarian Evil Orcs and (esp.) Easterlings.

Real life is more complicated.

Ice Cream Man!

Trust the peaceful Muslim when he claims to be delivering dessert, because not all Muslims are Terrorists.

Killer Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel was parked up on the Promenade des Anglais for almost nine hours before his horrific attack after telling police he was 'delivering ice cream', according to reports.

The 31-year-old French-Tunisian later drove the lorry he had hired two days before through packed crowds who were headed home after Bastille Day firework celebrations, killing at least 84 people.

Online news reports have emerged claiming Bouhlel, who worked as a delivery driver according to Nice Matin, had told police he was dropping off supplies of ice cream.

They allowed him to stay on the busy road for almost nine hours before the attack and failed to check his vehicle - where he had stashed a cache of guns and grenades.

thunderlips11 says

They allowed him to stay on the busy road for almost nine hours before the attack and failed to check his vehicle - where he had stashed a cache of guns and grenades.

I wonder if he had perhaps conspired with accomplices who didn't show up, and then maybe he got tired of waiting for them.

If more people in the crowd had trucks, this wouldn't have happened.

thunderlips11 says

Yep. It started with the policy to destabilize Assad in 2011 - when Hillary was Sec State.

Dumb move, just as going after Saddam, Mubarak,Qaddafi, most of which happened under Obama belt and aided and abetted by Hillary all the way

Even bush going after Saddam, was supported in earnest by Hillary

Muslim countries have to be dictatorships because the plebes are incapable of secular rule. Leave it in their hands and they will pick sharia law

MMR says

Muslim countries have to be dictatorships because the plebes are incapable of secular rule. Leave it in their hands and they will pick sharia law

Absolutely. That is why they have to be controlled through puppet dictators.

dublin hillz says

I can't believe that it was simply about need for "cheap labor" considering possible alternative sources.

In the case of a country like Germany, it is rooted in guilt over the holocaust. Now they have to overcompensate by showing tolerance to "the downtrodden"

Reality is, many of these guys are neither downtrodden nor are many of them producers. Rather, many are takers

Europe , in particular Western Europe and Northern Europe screwed up by allowing such large numbers to emigrate and ghettoize

MMR says

around the world, many multiples of that.

indigenous says

Myth, lies, and propaganda. Anyone can make a pie chart and put anything in it.

Excellent explanation that refutes everything.

Strategist says

indigenous says

Unsurprisingly, indigenous fell for some of the most unredeemable propositions, usually supported only by the most disoriented leftists like Noam Chomsky.

"It's all our fault. Everything the US does is motivated purely by profits. We are the worst, and if not for us the world would be living a golden age by now. Jihadism wouldn't exist without us."

MMR says

In the case of a country like Germany, it is rooted in guilt over the holocaust. Now they have to overcompensate by showing tolerance to "the downtrodden"

1%er Germans are aware that the slowly declining population is bad news for wages (increasing) and rents (Decreasing). So if the government taxes middle class workers more to insure the government transfers billions of Euros in rent support for refugees to private landlords.

There were several stories about German hotels laying off their workers and lease the whole hospitality complex over to the Government for Refugee Housing. They get a big fat check, social and other gov't workers run the place, no need for a payroll and no responsibility because the German Government pays for insurance/upkeep.

curious2 says

The only people to bring in from Muslim countries are those who are trying to get away from all that, e.g. atheists and other non-Muslims who want to avoid getting killed by Muslims. Current policy of invade&import brings in believers: wherever they go, they bring their problems with them.

This is what many liberals don't get.

"Oh, Farah is a lovely Lebanese Lesbian artist who lives off Dr. Fakeed's trust fund he left her."

Farah isn't the problem. Her parents came decades ago, when only high class Arabs knew how to immigrate to the West and had the desire to assimilate.

Mohammed, Salman, and Ahmed, who came straight from the hickiest hillside of the Sudan or Somalia, or the slums of Marakeech, and owe the Mafia $10,000 for human smuggling, are the problem.

P N Dr Lo R says

I think it is a case of some Westerners hate their culture so much that any other culture is seen as superior to their own despite its obvious flaws that they can't resist anything that undermines the hated one. It's all part of multiculti and diversity--there is no real sense that all cultures are equal but that any culture is preferable to bourgeoise Western, white, heterosexual and especially--ESPECIALLY--Christian culture.

yes, that sounds about right.

thunderlips11 says

Those nearby countries don't want their own kind. They are smarter than us.

Strategist says

Those nearby countries don't want their own kind. They are smarter than us.

It's antithetical to the goal of spreading Sharia.

Unfortunately, now I feel I need to be clear. This is not what I meant (or what France means) by "Bastille Day". Random violence against common citizens celebrating one of the seminal events in the birth of democracy. It is quite the reverse.

It does continue to demonstrate the way the "peasants revolt amongst themselves" and not against those who may truly be making their lives miserable. These islamic radicals, however, are still centuries away from contemplating what that day represents. To them, the 'infidels' are the enemy - in all their classes and creeds. Even if this bastard wasn't taking orders from ISIS, he still knew he'd receive cheers from their direction.

The truly evil part is where we now do nothing in the name of political correctness...where we refuse to admit that we are at war.

NuttBoxer says

Dan doesn't believe in gateway drugs, only gateway religions.

1. Far more people have been killed by religion than by drugs.
2. The war on drugs is an excuse to mass incarcerate people for financial and political profit.
3. The right to control your own brain's chemistry is a fundamental human right. Indulging in delusions should not be a right.
4. I would still be against forcing drugs onto other people, especially children. Yet parents frequently subject their children to religious indoctrination and brainwashing. Christianity and Islam have this in common.

That wasn't very Nice.

Dan8267 says

Exactly. Christianity has been castrated, but it still commits massive harm to the world.

Here's another example of Christianity doing very visible harm in the United States.

Judge orders man to get married or go to jail. WTF? Did I read that right? Yes. That actually happened. No, this is not an Onion news article.

Smith County Judge Randall Rogers then gave him a choice between two years of probation or 15 days in jail, according to Jaynes, 19.

The probation terms included requiring Bundy to write out a Bible verse 25 times a day ("If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it." -- Proverbs 26:27), and getting married within 30 days.

Bundy told CNN affiliate KLTV, "(Rogers) offered me 15 days in jail and that would have been fine and I asked if I could call my job [to let them know]," said Bundy. "The judge told me 'Nope, that's not how this works.'"

So in the courthouse with the In Code We Trust emblem, a judge orders a citizen to write Bible verses and to get married. And if the citizen does not comply, he
1. Loses his job.
2. Is thrown in jail.
3. Is subject to strip searches and body cavity searches.

Now I have no problem with the defendant being imprisoned for this crime as long as #3 does not apply and he's allowed to call his boss to let his boss know the situation so he doesn't lose his job. What the hell is the point of making him unemployed? It only serves to harm society.

However I've got a big problem with the forcing of religion and marriage onto the person. And evidently so does the man and his now-wife. They wanted to get married when they were ready and how they wanted to. Their wedding was ruined and their marriage started off on a faulty foundation as a result of this religious nut judge. And what the judge did was blatantly illegal, but there is no way the judge would go to jail for this and had the man and his now-wife objected to this blatant illegal treatment, he would be in jail and would have lost his job.

And people say that Christianity is harmless. It's not, and it should not be tolerated.

"Nice [France] Attacker Mohamed Bouhlel Was 'Bisexual,' Investigators Say." As with the Orlando Islamic terrorist, these Muslim closet cases go from zero to hero when they become martyrs, according to Islam: they avoid eternal damnation, their prayers to "pray the gay away" are finally answered because they have proved worthy, and they proceed directly to paradise no matter what they had done previously in their lives.

"The man who rammed a lorry into a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in Nice showed signs of radicalisation only shortly before his attack, which killed 84 people and injured scores, Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said on Monday.

While there is no evidence at this stage that Lahouaiej Bouhlel actually had ties with the group calling itself Islamic State – which claimed responsibility for the attack – a search of his computer and mobile phone showed a clear and recent interest for Islamist militancy and violent imagery, Molins said."

There is clear evidence of one tie with the Islamic State: they are both Muslim, contrary to all the taqiyya and politicians' denials.

curious2 says

There is clear evidence of one tie with the Islamic State: they are both Muslim, contrary to all the taqiyya and politicians' denials.

How do you know that Bouhlel wasn't an Italian irredentist or radical Brexiter or extreme Le Pen supporter. By his name? You Bigot!!!

Dan8267 says

Here's another example of Christianity doing very visible harm in the United States.

The judge is a representative of government, not God. Nowhere in the bible is authority to marry vested in the government, only in God. This ruling means the judge is trying to sit in God's place, a very agnostic action.

Dan, you're so confused you are arguing against your own beliefs. Or maybe you are a closet christian?

NuttBoxer says

The judge is a representative of government, not God.

The judge ordered the man to write Bible verses. He's clearly a Christian nutjob -- I know, that's redundant -- who holds a powerful government position. It's not being in government that fucked him up. It's being Christian. And he's abusing his state power precisely because of his faith. This is clear.