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It's too dangerous to do that work while on drugs.

Easier to go to a safe place at the orangedouchebag's rallys and blame the beaners.

neplusultra57 says

Real Americans Rushing Away From Construction Jobs. Too Lazy.

What a load of bullshit. The construction industry goes through the same boom and bust cycle time after time. The industry crashes and people bail out. Then when the upturn happens there is a shortage of people. That's what the article says.

The exact same thing happens in the oil patch and other cyclical fields.

These Liberals are first class retards. There's no White guys doing construction because most can't afford to raise a family from "The Back" of the truck.
And they aren't driving the truck to the jobsite managing their own jobs. Liberals have placed enough regulations on everything so that the only people who can afford the cost of the business are the Oligarchs who have the monopoly contracts in your town. You ride in the back of his trucks in his fleet.

Less you've got $10 grand for the EPA license, and $20 Grand to get bonded, and a city councilman on the take for all new bids.

It's all part of what is sexy when a guy like Trump says Make America again.

It's a dog whistle for us, we know damned well what Trump is talking about.

Tenpoundbass says

It's all part of what is sexy when a guy like Trump says Make America again.

Does this have anything to do with Trump using undocumented polish workers for construction ?

how does one get undocumented Polish workers? Did they come over the Candaian Polish border or the Mexican Polish border?
Why in the hell isn't your President doing his job, there shouldn't be undoccumented workers.
This brings us right back to Trump.
Your blaming Trump for drinking the tainted water Obama served everyone.

That's what's great about Trump he doesn't complain. He takes what is given to him and tries to make it work. And he's done a hell of a job, he's just as tired as we are of being taken for a ride by the Liberals.

bob2356 says

neplusultra57 says

Real Americans Rushing Away From Construction Jobs. Too Lazy.

What a load of bullshit. The construction industry goes through the same boom and bust cycle time after time. The industry crashes and people bail out. Then when the upturn happens there is a shortage of people. That's what the article says.

The exact same thing happens in the oil patch and other cyclical fields.

We have been in a housing recovery for quite some time now. You would think the industry would get their act together, and start training new recruits. We need more housing.

Strategist says

We have been in a housing recovery for quite some time now. You would think the industry would get their act together, and start training new recruits. We need more housing.

Exactly. If you need people, train them.
Or pay more, they will come. But apparently this industry would rather keep profits from record house prices and pay at latinos rate.
This is exactly the problem with this country.

neplusultra57 says

Real Americans Rushing Away From Construction Jobs. Too Lazy.

Yet somehow some people expect Americans to take back-breaking farm jobs for less than $60k/yr. Go figure.

Construction is a cake walk compare to picking strawberries.

People don't realize how dangerous construction jobs are.

Strategist says

We have been in a housing recovery for quite some time now. You would think the industry would get their act together, and start training new recruits

What century are you living in? The apprentice system in general has been dead for many decades. There are some state sponsored programs, but nothing like the union programs of the early to late 20th century. Even at that it takes several years to get people up to speed and people only start to go into these jobs once hiring picks back up. This is a perfectly normal cycle.

Heraclitusstudent says

Or pay more, they will come. But apparently this industry would rather keep profits from record house prices and pay at latinos rate.

I completely agree with the idea that immigrants are lowering the wages for construction jobs by increasing the supply at lower wages. What I find funny about Trump supporters is that out of one side of their mouths, they say "These latinos are hard working fuckers who will do all of the hard jobs for less money than real Americans." Out of the other side of their mouths, they are saying "These immigrants are rapists and murderers with no skills (perhaps there are a few good ones."

bob2356 says

What a load of bullshit. The construction industry goes through the same boom and bust cycle time after time. The industry crashes and people bail out. Then when the upturn happens there is a shortage of people. That's what the article says.

To a degree - but as someone who is in the field (me), I can tell you it's flat hard to get people who are worth a plugged nickel. Oh there are people who want to work ... if the hours are 9 - 5 and no weekends, no overtime. There are people who want to work but don't know how to tie steel, or what a 8 penny nail is. There are people who want to work, IF they can take every 2 minutes off (on the clock) to mess with their cell phone for 15 minutes. There are people who want to work, but not if it's hot or rainy, or cold or too early.

The hours can be (and usually are) long and early. The weather is whatever the weather is. A person who really wants to learn and earn can walk in with no skills or experience start out at about $10 an hour and start learning. Depending on what 'clicks' with him (does he find banging nails more satisfying than running plumbing, does he like electrical work or does bending and welding steel work for him) he can enter into an apprenticeship program and be earning better than $15 an hour in less than a year. By the time he finishes his apprentice program (1 to 3 years) he walks out making $22 (carpenter) to $40+ an hour (welder) depending on how good he is and where he lives. But WAY too many young people are too mild for the work, it's too hard, the hours are too long, and I have to mess with my phone every 2 minutes.

bob2356 says

What century are you living in? The apprentice system in general has been dead for many decades. There are some state sponsored programs, but nothing like the union programs of the early to late 20th century. Even at that it takes several years to get people up to speed and people only start to go into these jobs once hiring picks back up

And which area of the country do you live in? And what line of construction work do you do? News flash, the apprenticeship programs still exist all you got to do is a little bit of research and/or talk to an employer (a plumbing company, a HVAC company, any electrical shop, home builders) they are all looking for trained, skilled people and they know they will get it from someone with a journeyman's license gotten with training and experience through an apprenticeship program. Even down south (here in Texas) we're not fond of unions but we support apprenticeship programs. It's a win for the worker and for the business.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

We have been in a housing recovery for quite some time now. You would think the industry would get their act together, and start training new recruits

What century are you living in? The apprentice system in general has been dead for many decades. There are some state sponsored programs, but nothing like the union programs of the early to late 20th century.

Then how the hell do new recruits get trained? They aren't born with the knowledge. They still have to be trained.
you are starting to talk like Dan.

mmmarvel says

he can enter into an apprenticeship program and be earning better than $15 an hour in less than a year. By the time he finishes his apprentice program (1 to 3 years)

Great, that's exactly what I said. Thanks for repeating it. It's a normal cycle. People bail out when the industry crashes, when hiring picks up strongly again then new people start getting into the industry. After a few years the number of trained people starts to catch up. Exactly what is happening now no matter what the stupid OP says.

mmmarvel says

News flash, the apprenticeship programs still exist all you got to do is a little bit of research

mmmarvel says

Even down south (here in Texas) we're not fond of unions but we support apprenticeship programs.

What are you calling apprentice programs? I'm talking about the traditional walk in off the street and start working union and employer programs. I don't consider 2-3 years of paying for vocation programs while building up skills to be an apprentice program no matter what you call it.

Oh gee union membership went from 35% of workers to less than 10% of workers in the last 50 years. I wonder if the number of apprenticeships went down? You think? So in Texas where less than 5% of construction labor is union you must have a huge apprenticeship program.

Vocational education is where most of the construction people are coming from that I know of. So as someone in the industry what percentage are coming out of paid vocational education and what percentage from traditional union type walk in apprentice programs? Guesstimates don't count.

There is no shortage of American willing to do construction jobs (or drive trucks). There might be a shortage of Americans willing to work these jobs for illegal alien wages though.

YesYNot says

I completely agree with the idea that immigrants are lowering the wages for construction jobs by increasing the supply at lower wages. What I find funny about Trump supporters is that out of one side of their mouths, they say "These latinos are hard working fuckers who will do all of the hard jobs for less money than real Americans." Out of the other side of their mouths, they are saying "These immigrants are rapists and murderers with no skills (perhaps there are a few good ones."

You are absolutely right.

What I personally find repulsive is the higher middle class people sweating good conscience for being accepting of illegal immigrants, while blaming poor Americans for not being able to compete with semi starving immigrants willing to do any job at any rate (too lazy) - even as the hiring corporations take the undue profits in-between.

The main economic problem we have is low wage growth, compensated by debt (gov debt mostly). So we have at the same time:
- debts going through the roof
- idle Americans on transfer of payments instead of productive activities
- huge number of illegal immigrants
- stagnant wages and low inflation
- vast printing of money inflating asset prices
- massive and increasing inequalities

Why can't we see that these problems would exactly solve each others if we simply enforced immigration laws?

The rent seekers supporting Clinton like this system.
...And of course any criticism of that system is immediately mapped to a moral failing (i.e. racism).