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curious2 says

And yet you failed to answer. In reality, you can't answer, because you insist on importing Islam without reading it, as if you insisted on drinking poison without reading the ingredients. You might be able to recite some talking points, but you haven't read the actual doctrines, so you don't know what's in them, and thus you can't explain why you defend the worst while opposing the others. You insist moreover on feeding that poison to your family and neighbors, and you don't seem to understand why people don't trust you. You claim to be smart, but you decide based on partisan sloganeering and ignorance, while insulting everyone else and putting other people in harm's way.

What are you blathering on about? We are talking 10000 people this year, maybe 100,000 next, mostly women and children. Such a huge number.You're going to be surrounded by them there Muslim people. Or not.
And I can absolutely guarantee that I know more about Islam and Muslims and have more Muslim friends than you. I speak from a position of experience and knowledge. You though are speaking from a position of fear as evidenced by your stupid comparison with the KKK and Nazis. I didn't respond to that because it isn't worthy of a response.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

curious, you are on ignore.

triggered.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

No it didn't you utter lying piece of shit. don't make shit up and pretend I said it, you utter fucking piece of trash!

double triggered.

Rashomon says

I know more about Islam and Muslims and have more Muslim friends than you.

The first part of that sentence is obviously false. If you knew more about Islam, you wouldn't defend it. It's like defending smoking by claiming you know more about smoking and smokers, and have more friends who smoke.

The second part is misleading. You appear to be the sort of person who has more than a thousand "friends" on Facebook, where they say only fashionable things that will get Likes. "Kamal...was eager to mention European friends with whom he discusses religion (but not the project).”

truth will find you says

I am an enlightened, pacifist, vegan Buddhist

I'm a vegan also except once a week I usually have a NY strip, some pork ribs, bacon, and maybe a burger. But I identify as a vegan so that counts.

curious2 says

The first part of that sentence is obviously false. If you knew more about Islam, you wouldn't defend it. It's like defending smoking by claiming you know more about smoking and smokers, and have more friends who smoke.

Except I'm not defending Islam, I'm responding to your sweeping over generalisations. There's a difference.
curious2 says

The second part is misleading. You appear to be the sort of person who has more than a thousand "friends" on Facebook, where they say only fashionable things that will get Likes. "Kamal...was eager to mention European friends with whom he discusses religion (but not the project).”

I don't have a Facebook account and only consider friends to be those I have had face to face contact with, so feel free to try again.

truth will find you says

Trump might win What country should I move to?

If Trump wins, Canada might have to think about building a wall.

The resemblance is uncanny...

Ironman says

The Deplorable DFJ says

Everyone who self outed identifying personal information on the interwebs please stand up!

This goat has been gotten...

landtof says

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

curious, you are on ignore.

triggered.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

No it didn't you utter lying piece of shit. don't make shit up and pretend I said it, you utter fucking piece of trash!

double triggered.

Argentina Or Uruguay

Why do these self loathing morons feel the need to lie about Islam?

You consider citizenship to one of the only countries that will tax you on foreign income, while you're living abroad a good option!? I have a co-worker who has Canadian and Israeli citizenship, and for that reason will not become a US citizen.

BTW, if a giant douche in some positions a 1000 miles removed from your life can upset the balance, you're screwed regardless of where you go. Grow a spine and take responsibility for your own success or failure in this world. Until you can, please don't burden a child with your enslaved outlook on life.

NuttBoxer says

Grow a spine and take responsibility for your own success or failure in this world

Except for rust-belt meth-heads who can't rent a U-Haul, and six-figure tech workers whingeing about H1-b's: these groups deserve government protection, plus our sympathy and Christian prayers.

Rashomon says

I'm not defending Islam

Good.

Rashomon says

I guess [Muslims] are the present day's demonized 'others.'

They are the present day equivalent of Nazis (read about the 100,000 European Muslims who joined the SS and fought for HItler) and KKK. When you advocate importing them, it looks like you're defending their hateful, horrible doctrine. Can we at least agree that before allowing them to immigrate, you would require them to renounce the charlatan Mohammed and his hateful fraud of Islam? If you can't agree to that, then you're necessarily defending Islam, and advocating its spread. If you cared about Muslim refugees as you claim, then you would oppose the wars so they wouldn't be displaced, or at least say that they should be sheltered in a Muslim country, e.g. Saudi Arabia, where they want to go for hajj anyway. Instead, you support the cruel NATO/Saudi plan to pump explosive gas and Muslims into Europe.

curious2 says

They are the present day equivalent of Nazis (read about the Bozniak Muslims who joined the SS) and KKK. When you advocate importing them, it looks like you're defending their hateful, horrible doctrine. Can we at least agree that before allowing them to immigrate, you would require them to renounce the charlatan Mohammed and his hateful fraud of Islam? If you can't agree to that, then you're necessarily defending Islam, and advocating its spread.

What's the relevance of saying some Muslims joined the SS? You may as well mention that the majority of them were Christians. I believe that the US should take a share of the responsibility for the utter mess they've made and the humanitarian crisis that has occurred. And last I checked with your constitution, it wasn't a requirement to renounce your faith before entering the country. But hey, just as I mentioned about the demonized 'others,' you pop right up with such a requirement. Surprise, surprise.

errc says

Why do these self loathing morons feel the need to lie about Islam?

Yet more posts in the spirit of Bernie. You sure you voted for him?

Rashomon says

errc says

Why do these self loathing morons feel the need to lie about Islam?

Yet more posts in the spirit of Bernie. You sure you voted for him?

Not much contradiction here. See also https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump

Nothing in the Constitution gives non-resident aliens a right to immigrate. Read it yourself.

Rashomon says

What's the relevance of saying some Muslims joined the SS? You may as well mention that the majority of them were Christians.

Many thousands joined because their Grand Mufti told them to, because of the similarities between Islam and Nazi beliefs. I don't pretend to know the religious beliefs of every SS member, maybe you can ask your many Nazi friends. I'm pretty sure the Pope at the time didn't tell Catholics to join the Nazis, though Benedict (aka Nazinger) did join anyway.

mell says

Not much contradiction here. See also https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump

What contradiction are you referring to? Errc posts like the typical right winger on here yet claims he voted for Bernie.

curious2 says

Nothing in the Constitution gives non-resident aliens a right to immigrate. Read it yourself.

I never said it did. I said that people aren't required to renounce their religion in order to enter the country.

curious2 says

They joined because the Grand Mufti told them to, because of the similarities between Islam and Nazi beliefs. I don't pretend to know the religious beliefs of every SS member, maybe you can ask your many Nazi friends. I'm pretty sure the Pope at the time didn't tell Catholics to join the Nazis, though Benedict (aka Nazinger) did join anyway.

Yeah, yeah, remind us all of the main religion in Germany at that time. And the Muslims shared enemies with the Nazis at that time as any idiot looking at the way the region was divided would understand.

Rashomon says

remind us all of the main religion in Germany at that time.

Fascism, which you seem to support.

Rashomon says

mell says

Not much contradiction here. See also https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump

What contradiction are you referring to? Errc posts like the typical right winger on here yet claims he voted for Bernie.

They are not, many of his views are libertarian or left-leaning. You're being obtuse again. The polls wouldn't be so close with many now seeing Trump in the lead if a big bunch of Bernie voters wouldn't have defected to the Trump camp. And they are growing by the day. Hillary has a big problem here, that cannot be talked over by accusing every defector of being a typical right-winger from the get-go.

curious2 says

Rashomon says

remind us all of the main religion in Germany at that time.

Fascism, which you seem to support.

Try again.

mell says

They are not, many of his views are libertarian or left-leaning. You're being obtuse again. The polls wouldn't be so close with many now seeing Trump in the lead if a big bunch of Bernie voters wouldn't have defected to the Trump camp. And they are growing by the day. Hillary has a big problem here, that cannot be talked over by accusing every defector of being a typical right-winger from the get-go.

It's not obtuse. He's been spouting a number of alt-right lines recently. And any rational run down of the comparative policies of the two candidates shows that Clinton's policies are far more closely aligned to Bernie's platform. Remind me again who Bernie endorsed.

curious2 says

They are the present day equivalent of Nazis (read about the Bozniak Muslims who joined the SS)

Are you sure it's valid approach to decide who's the "present day equivalent of Nazis" based on who "joined SS" some 70 years ago? People from many nations joined SS during WWII. You know who did it in the biggest numbers? Russians.

Straw Man says

who's the "present day equivalent of Nazis" based on "joined SS some time in the middle of last century"?

The thousands of Bosnian Muslim SS are only examples. The reason they joined is what matters most: the actual similarities between Islam and Nazi ideology, as pointed out by the Muslim Grand Mufti and Nazis themselves at the time.

Straw Man says

You know who did it in the biggest numbers? Russians.

No, Baltics, relative to population. More Latvians alone served in the SS than came from much more densely populated France. They were butchering Jews before the first Wehrmacht unit arrived. This doesn't include all the Einsatzgruppen, Anti-Partisan, and Camp Guards, and other Murder Squads. Or Ostruppen, who manned most of the static defenses in Normandy.

Most of the "Russians" were actually West Ukrainians in the 14th SS Galician Division
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

Others were made primarily of Poles from Belorussia under Kaminski, part Polish and part German.

I guarantee you any Russian who served in the SS was executed.

curious2 says

The Bozniak Muslim SS are only 55,000 examples.

It's not like Bosnia is a huge, populous country either. 55,000 is a relatively huge chunk of the military age male population for that region.

Straw Man says

Are you sure it's valid approach to decide who's the "present day equivalent of Nazis" based on who "joined SS" some 70 years ago?

Apparently, we should also refuse to defend Germany if they're attacked, because a lot of them joined the SS and the Wehrmacht.

Straw Man says

People from many nations joined SS during WWII. You know who did it in the biggest numbers? Russians.

That doesn't count, because it can't be used as an argument against Muslims.

The alliance between Bozniaks and Nazis during WWII is highly arcane knowledge or something, and bears repeating on many threads. You heard it first on Patnet!

Croatia, in whose interest we also acted in the 1990s, was also an Axis power, but this is not worth stating, seeing as they're a Catholic country.

HydroCabron says

Germany if they're attacked, because a lot of them joined the SS and the Wehrmacht.

Most Germans have renounced Nazi ideology and Hitler. Your comment might have some relevance if you could persuade most Muslims to renounce Islam and Mohammed, but then they wouldn't be Muslims anymore, and all Muslims would be required to kill them for apostasy, as per Islam. Germany imposes no penalty for renouncing Hitler, but Sharia (which most Muslims in countries with Muslim majorities support) demands the death penalty for renouncing Mohamed.

Rashomon says

I'm responding to your sweeping over generalisations. There's a difference.

You're saying it's an over generalization. Some are murderers and some aren't, but a high percentage of non-murderers sympathize with the murderers/suicide bombers and their cause and tend to believe such things like 9/11 was an inside job.

Try this experiment with your numerous Muslim friends: ask them what they think of gay people, or better yet, take them to a gay club.

Or, you can ask them what they think about be the high percentage of people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

You're defending the beliefs of people who would gladly acquiesce to Shariah if someone else fights for it on their behalf. Beliefs that are antithetical to America or western society.

Just look at how well Muslim immigration has benefited Europe. No need to increase numbers, however miniscule in your head. Like Hasidics, Muslims multiply exponentially.

If you want to make the argument that the us shouldn't intervene and kill innocent people in drone attacks, started by bush and continued by Obama, that's one thing.

But doesn't mean we should increase refugee quota to bring more Muslims into the US and Europe when they could be housed in other prosperous Muslim majority countries

Hey thunderlips, where was that video that showed moderate Muslims in a town hall style meeting? Some people ignorantly believe athat is a misrepresentation or generalization

curious2 says

HydroCabron says

Germany if they're attacked, because a lot of them joined the SS and the Wehrmacht.

Most Germans have renounced Nazi ideology and Hitler. Your comment might have some relevance if you could persuade most Muslims to renounce Islam and Mohammed.

Muslims in Germany don't become more moderate over time or renounce faith; rather they ghettoize and fail to assimilate

How screwed up do people have to be to acknowledge that trump might win without taking a long hard look at the failed policies that led to a most non-presidential personality gaining a foothold.

Simply saying that he's pandering to the lowest common denominator is disingenuous at best, since there are lower common denominators on both sides of aisle

MMR says

Hey thunderlips, where was that video that showed moderate Muslims in a town hall style meeting? Some people ignorantly believe athat is a misrepresentation or generalization

You mean the one in Sweden or Denmark where they aired a movie about gay Arabs or something? And the moderate Muslims came and made a stink?

www.youtube.com/embed/g0sRmpvdIIk

I think this is it.

The grateful recipients of Swedish Assistance assault 60 Minutes CBS News Crews.
www.youtube.com/embed/sEeXd9b01uY

They don't see it as liberal generosity, they see it as Jiyza owed to them as Muslims, and they, as True Believer Redblooded Males, are helping a Westtoxified, Decadent Society come to the True Religion of Peace.

The problem with liberals is they simple can't imagine that this is a mentality that exists in the world, and is actually possessed (not just something said due to hurt feelings) because it is so alien to theirs.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

curious2 says

The [Bosnian] Muslim SS are only...examples.

It's not like Bosnia is a huge, populous country either. [...] is a relatively huge chunk of the military age male population for that region.

Thanks, that got me looking for percentages and precise numbers that I can link to. "Approximately 100,000 Muslim Europeans would be recruited and would fight.for Nazi Germany during the course of the war.
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More than ninety-five percent of [Bosnian] Muslims joined the Ustashi and participated very actively in the massacre of the Serbs." I am finding a range of estimates into hundreds of thousands of Muslims volunteering and/or fighting for Nazi Germany, but also some definitional issues, for example: volunteered to fight vs actually recruited and fought, and total number during the war vs maximum strength at any specific time. There are also geographic issues, as the borders of Bosnia (now Bosnia-Herzogovina) changed. I remember seeing 55,000 but can't find a source now, so I'm redacting that number until I can confirm it.

There is also the role of Turkey, ostensibly secular but mostly Muslim. Turkey didn't fight for the Nazis, but supported the Nazis in other ways. Turkey had signed a defense treaty with France but then decided to remain "neutral", and sold to the Nazis essential materiel that the Nazis needed when no one else in the world would sell to them.

MMR says

without taking a long hard look at the failed policies that led to a most non-presidential personality gaining a foothold.

I have a hard time buying that argument, because Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jack Kemp, Gary Johnson and a few other decent men have presented a tear-it-down philosophy to right-wing voters, yet they went nowhere.

For some reason, Trump presented the destroy-the-village-to-save-it philosophy, but in an openly disrespectful, infantile and racist wrapping. I don't see how anyone but his supporters are responsible for this.

The only thing Obama did to make Trump possible was being president while black. Trump is the price we're paying for having a two-term black president.

I think Trump is the same con the Republicans have been pulling for decades on non-rich whites. I fell genuine pity and empathy for his supporters, whatever jokes I make about them: their psychological condition is, at its core, no laughing matter.

Islam vs. Christianity is more about oil than anything else.

although if it wasn't for oil, the people in that region would still be riding camels to work every day so i think it's a good trade-off for both sides.

HydroCabron says

I have a hard time buying that argument, because Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jack Kemp, Gary Johnson and a few other decent men have presented a tear-it-down philosophy to right-wing voters, yet they went nowhere.

No that argument holds perfectly. Your "decent men" have not made it because they were attacked by the left and the mainstream right, and the left did their best by pulling out old presumably rays cyst newsletters from the last millenium written by someone close to the Paul's and used the racist game - good old identity politics - as usual to discredit them. And the right usually uses the "they're not keeping us safe if they don't want to go to war" hammer in an equally destructive way. And the decent men they are they didn't call the left (and the mainstream right) out on their usual bullshit but went into the defensive politician-speak mode, thus cratering in the polls in the aftermath. And the mainstream media shilling for the establishment then put the final nail in their coffin. Trump is the only candidate that calls the left (and the mainstream right) out and exposes them for the sheisters they are with excellent zero fucks given game, agree and amplify and a brutally honest and refreshing directness previously unheard from politicians. And that resounds with voters from both parties. explaining why he is polling so well. It's really not that hard, the politicians have sold out the middle-class which is now rebelling.