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No, that retort is.

Maybe they are just states where a lot of people need killing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population

Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Maine, are ALL conservative states. New Hampshire, Maine, Wisconsin and Minnesota are swing states.

Most of the states with highest criminality are the states with largest black populations. Arizona and New Mexico are high due to large percentage of Chicanos.

The high murder rate in missourah are due to michael browns.

MMR says

Most of the states with highest criminality are the states with largest black populations. Arizona and New Mexico are high due to large percentage of Chicanos.

Great transition from black racism to Chicano racism.

jazz music says

Black men stereotyped as criminals has been a major focus of propaganda EVER SINCE THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS PASSED BANNING SLAVERY.

Actually the 13th Amendment didn't ban slavery in theory or in practice. There are more slaves in the U.S. today then during the Civil War. Every prisoner on a chain gang or making license plates is, by definition, a slave.

Chris2013 says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population

When you look at the chart in that link and this chart side by side, they do show a better correlation than whatever Dan is trying to say:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

This is the comparison he means:

This kind of thread subject is what you get when you fall for false political dichotomies.

Winner^^^ Look at that its an exact match.

Why do Rep/Con/Teas in Red States allow so many murders?
Another one of my stupid questions.
They couldn't protect america on 9/11,I expect to much.

HEY YOU says

Why do Rep/Con/Teas in Red States allow so many murders

I thought it was not in their interest to kill their privatized prison cash cows?

HEY YOU says

black racism to Chicano racism

both like illegal guns....thanks for the compliment

HEY YOU says

They couldn't protect america on 9/11

Clinton "got lucky" in 1993. Whatever bush did prior to 9/11 is treasonous regarding his saudi buddies, but Clinton didn't stop the problem when the opportunity presented itself.

MMR says

HEY YOU says

They couldn't protect america on 9/11

Clinton "got lucky" in 1993. Whatever bush did prior to 9/11 is treasonous regarding his saudi buddies, but Clinton didn't stop the problem when the opportunity presented itself. Also, important to remember that your candidate voted for the war and further destabilizing the middle east, the patriot act and upholding the repeal of glass-steagall

In other words, your favored candidates don't protect shit either

HEY YOU says

Great transition from black racism to Chicano racism

Facts= racism. Brainwashed much?

jazz music says

cancer that racism embeds

Enough with the white guilt already. If you're white and upper middle class, you sure as hell have shielded yourself from that reality.

If you are lower middle class Indian american(my family was until I was well into adulthood), the reverse racism is much worse, especially with admissions to university and professional school.

rpanic01 says

Winner^^^ Look at that its an exact match.

Except for Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, and Montana. Alaska would buck the trend per-Pop as well too (high crime per small pop, very white and conservative)

Edit: the black/republican/democrats are more whatever ... by state/city/whatever generalizations are all pretty crap in my mind. It's way too simplistic and big brushed to draw conclusions like this.

Rew says

Except for Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, and Montana. Alaska would buck the trend per-Pop as well too (high crime per small pop, very white and conservative)

Edit: the black/republican/democrats are more whatever ... by state/city/whatever generalizations are all pretty crap in my mind. It's way too simplistic and big brushed to draw conclusions like this

I think we all know why Arizona and New Mexico are a little off in this comparison.

I wouldn't say CO, NE, KS are off - maybe not an exact match, but it's not like one is very dark on one map and then very light on the other. SD, MT and AK have such small populations that it doesn't take much to skew numbers.

The point isn't looking for an exact match. It's pretty clear that the two pictures posted by Patrick are a better representation than what Dan was saying.

rando says

The correlation is high, so I'll accept that race is the dominate factor. Now the question becomes why is crime linked so highly to race? Again the problem stems from conservatives. If the American South hadn't been built on slavery, the few African immigrants over the past 200 years would have assimilated into society without any problems. Even after the Civil War, conservatives refused to allow African Americans to integrate into society and refused to accept them into white culture. When you deny so many people any non-criminal ways to earn a living, of course the only thing left is crime. Once again, the cause of the problem comes from slavers and their descendants.

Even ignoring the immorality of slavery, the financial costs of dealing with the aftermath of slavery, which we are still paying, outweighs all economic benefits by several orders of magnitude. In fact, the primary reason the American South is so damn poor may very well be because the institution of slavery lower wages and spending by non-slaves. It was a race to the bottom.

The only thing this information changes is that the conservatives exported their problems to the north.

Dan8267 says

If the American South hadn't been built on slavery, the few African immigrants over the past 200 years would have assimilated into society without any problems.

Yes Dan, that must be the reason. Let's forget Sherman's genocidal/burn the shit out of everything march, coupled with "reconstruction" leaving what was once a flourishing economy in ashes that it still hasn't recovered from. As to the cause of the Civil War:

"Many Americans do not understand this fact. A non-slave-owning Southern merchant angered over yet another proposed tariff act does not make a compelling scene in a movie. However, that would be closer to the original cause of the Civil War than any scene of slaves picking cotton."

http://www.emarotta.com/protective-tariffs-the-primary-cause-of-the-civil-war/

Yet again your strained reasoning points out that the true motive for creating the false liberal/conservative dichotomy. It's not about real differences between two groups, it's about clouding your mind with arguments based wholly on emotion, which blocks your brains ability to properly think or reason. As long as you spend your whole life blaming your problems on group X, you are a pliable pawn that can be turned to whatever advantage your dichotomy inventor's foresee.

Dan8267 says

The correlation is high, so I'll accept that race is the dominate factor. Now the question becomes why is crime linked so highly to race? Again the problem stems from conservatives. If the American South hadn't been built on slavery, the few African immigrants over the past 200 years would have assimilated into society without any problems. Even after the Civil War, conservatives refused to allow African Americans to integrate into society and refused to accept them into white culture. When you deny so many people any non-criminal ways to earn a living, of course the only thing left is crime. Once again, the cause of the problem comes from slavers and their descendants.

Even ignoring the immorality of slavery, the financial costs of dealing with the aftermath of slavery, which we are still paying, outweighs all economic benefits by several orders of magnitude. In fact, the primary reason the American South is so damn poor may very well be because the institution of sla...

In essence, blame whitey. It's always the same with you.

Is whitey to blame for this too:

NuttBoxer says

Let's forget Sherman's genocidal/burn the shit out of everything march, coupled with "reconstruction" leaving what was once a flourishing economy in ashes that it still hasn't recovered from.

It's been over 150 years since the Civil War and America stopped being an agricultural economy over a century ago. If the South hasn't recovered from the Civil War then that's the South's fault. Germany recovered from WII and the literal splitting of its county in twain in less than two decades and became the economic powerhouse of Europe.

NuttBoxer says

"Many Americans do not understand this fact. A non-slave-owning Southern merchant angered over yet another proposed tariff act does not make a compelling scene in a movie. However, that would be closer to the original cause of the Civil War than any scene of slaves picking cotton."

What utter bullshit. The South itself declared in every newspaper that the entire reason they were fighting the Civil War was to keep slavery.

Hell, the Confederate flag was designed to symbolize the purity of white skin and the white man's superiority over the dark skins. That's why the first Confederate flag was almost pure white, and every flag after it had white stripes.

And if tariffs were the cause of the Civil War rather than racism and slavery, then why all the terrorism against freed slaves after the war was lost by the South?

ch_tah2 says

In essence, blame whitey. It's always the same with you.

I don't blame whitey. I'm white and I'm awesome as most white cultures in history such as the ancient Greeks and various modern European nations.

I blame the American South because of its actions. Yes, it's perfectly reasonable to judge people based on their actions. You are the one judging people based on their skin color.

It's not whites who are bad. It's a tiny subset of sister-fucking, Jesus worshiping, ignorant, illiterate, science and climate-change denying, gay hating, racist, dumb ass whites called American Southerners who are bad. Those white people are giving the rest of us white people a bad name and they need to shut the hell up and stop voting. When that happens the rest of us whites will be able to repair the damage done by those whites.

There are two kinds of white people. Carlos Mencia explains...
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ch_tah2 says

Is whitey to blame for this too:

The wealth and standard of living in western society was created by scientists and engineers, the exact opposite of the American South. While we liberal STEM whites are advancing science and technology, the only thing that separates us from the Stone Age, the American Southerner is fighting the teaching of evolution in classrooms. 'Nuff said.