patrick.net

And BTW, it is possible to get an es.cort to play a famous person. I did it with an Oliver Newton John look-a-like in Australia, who'd pretended to be Liv.

Another friend of mine, did it with a J Lo look-a-like in Ontario.

Rashomon says

In other words you haven't had much luck with the ladies.

Just recently, I'd turned down a visiting scholar from Chile. So no, I can get women. Remember, I work in finance. It's not that hard.

Instead, I choose to live my life, my way.

Like I'd said, you're playing the shaming game.

Rin says

Just recently, I'd turned down a visiting scholar from Chile. So no, I can get women. Remember, I work in finance. It's not that hard.

Doesn't matter what you do if you lack the skills to chat up women.

Rin says

Like I'd said, you're playing the shaming game.

You don't seem to relate to such things, so why worry? You certainly wouldn't be on here boasting about shagging skanky whores (as if it was something to be proud of) if shaming was an issue. By the way, why are you on here bragging about sleeping with hookers? It's not exactly something to be proud of.

Just don't hire a prostie to play Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction".

Rashomon says

Rin says

Just recently, I'd turned down a visiting scholar from Chile. So no, I can get women. Remember, I work in finance. It's not that hard.

Doesn't matter what you do if you lack the skills to chat up women.

What BS, she was after me. I already had her.

I simply said no because one, I work six days per week. And on my off day, I f.uck hoes. I don't care for relationships anymore. Is that so hard to understand? Are you really such a one dimensional conformist?

Rin says

What BS, she was after me. I already had her.

I simply said no because one, I work six days per week. And on my off day, I f.uck hoes. I don't care for relationships anymore. Is that so hard to understand? Are you really such a one dimensional conformist?

Sure, sure. Again, why do you feel the need to come onto a forum of strangers and brag about such things. Very peculiar.

Rashomon says

Sure, sure. Again, why do you feel the need to come onto a forum of strangers and brag about such things. Very peculiar.

Because I can't do it in the office. Remember, I live in society and I have to live by its rules.

Rin says

Because I can't do it in the office. Remember, I live in society and I have to live by its rules.

What? Most people don't feel the need to brag about having to pay hookers for sex, yet you choose to do it on a one time housing forum. Like I said, very peculiar.

BTW Rashomon, do you think that Turtledove, talking about exposing her breasts in PatNet is somehow enlightened? I don't recall you attempting to shame her ... a married woman w/ kids, acting like a college bimbo on spring break?

Instead, it's obvious that you'd rather label an honest guy who one, doesn't BS women for a one night stand, which I could have easily done with the Chilean, while breaking her heart a few weeks later, but would rather live life on his own terms.

Rin says

BTW Rashomon, do you think that Turtledove, talking about exposing her breasts in PatNet is somehow enlightened? I don't recall you attempting to shame her ... a married woman w/ kids, acting like a college bimbo on spring break?

Didn't read it, so didn't comment on it. If she talked about doing it, then it does seem a rather pathetic attention seeking exercise. Happy now?

Rashomon says

I'm European.

Then grow up in America and you'll see continuous brainwashing.

Even in high school, they'd sent warning to parents, telling their kids that underage drinking and strippers were rampant up in Montreal, as a way of shaming the kids into behaving, once the border was crossed during school trips.

Rin says

Instead, it's obvious that you'd rather label an honest guy who one, doesn't BS women for a one night stand, which I could have easily done with the Chilean, while breaking her heart a few weeks later, but would rather live life on his own terms.

You do realize that a lot of women aren't that susceptible to getting their heart broken after a shag or two. I'd hazard a guess that it's more the men that suffer from that affliction.

Rashomon says

You do realize that a lot of women aren't that susceptible to getting their heart broken after a shag or two. I'd hazard a guess that it's more the men that suffer more from that affliction.

She wanted a relationship.

Rin says

Even in high school, they'd sent warning to parents, telling their kids that underage drinking and strippers were rampant up in Montreal, as a way of shaming the kids into behaving, once the border was crossed during school trips.

That isn't shaming kids into behaving. It's just giving them obvious pointers about what to do.

In two hours, I'd be heading out to do another presentation. And thus, my time at the PatNet bar over.

So yes, I have neither the time nor the energy for a relationship.

Rin says

She wanted a relationship.

Then find someone who doesn't. Or hell, try and find someone you'd like to have a relationship with. It has its benefits you know.

Rin says

In two hours, I'd be heading out to do another presentation. And thus, my time at the PatNet bar over.

So yes, I have neither the time nor the energy for a relationship.

It's shocking that you have to work. Oh, hang on, no it isn't. Pretty much everyone juggles careers and relationships.

Rashomon says

Pretty much everyone juggles careers and relationships.

You are such a conformist.

Rin says

You are such a conformist.

That's life. It has nothing to do with conforming.

Rin says

This is called, going out for drinks after work.

In America, we're not allowed to partake in this activity

WTF are you talking about? You must be living in some kind of alternative "America".

Straw Man says

WTF are you talking about? You must be living in some kind of alternative "America".

Yes, seeing hoes is not sanctioned in America, outside of the Nevada deserts.

Rin says

Yes, seeing hoes is not sanctioned in America, outside of the Nevada deserts.

He was talking about your strange comment about after work drinks.

Rashomon says

Rin says

Yes, seeing hoes is not sanctioned in America, outside of the Nevada deserts.

He was talking about your strange comment about after work drinks.

This.

Rin says

Actually Dan, many women are rather boring, which is why I prefer Montreal esc.ort gals.

True, which is why I prefer women who are intelligence, funny, or better yet, both. Hudson Leick, Emma Stone, and Taylor Swift all qualify as both.
Rin says

Nope, but nice try at playing the shaming game.

Trolls are so pathetic. Always blame the messenger.

Rashomon says

Well, I'm not surprised Dan joins in given his weird posts on Taylor Swift.

Yes, respect and admiration must seem weird to a freak who has never been admired for anything.

Rin says

Don't worry, he'll get over her.

Why bother? It's just a pipe dream, but one that reminds me what the standard for marrying a woman should be. Every time I think about whether or not a woman is long-term relationship or wife material, I compare her to Taylor Swift. Needless to say, it keeps me single and avoids losing half my wealth and my sanity to some selfish, crazy, and vindictive person with a pretty face. And quite frankly, the younger me would have been naive enough to marry the first pretty face that pretended to love me. So it's nice to have a reminder of what a woman should be when you're in a society where women are so selfish and disloyal and geared towards short-term sexual relationships.

Back in the 1940s, most American women were like Taylor Swift and they made wives. And before any pseudo-feminist gets triggered, Swift is no subservient woman. The qualities I'm talking about are honesty, loyalty, respectability, intelligence, the willingness to work hard to accomplish things, and empathy. These are qualities most American women lack today. And yes, most American men also lack these qualities, and that is because women today do not seek such qualities in men, but they should.

Rin says

Rashomon says

What? Most people don't feel the need to brag about having to pay hookers for sex, yet you choose to do it on a one time housing forum. Like I said, very peculiar.

This is called, going out for drinks after work.

There is nothing morally wrong with prostitution, and it should not be illegal. The illegality of prostitution is what causes all the bad things about it: STDs, violence, drug addition, the inability to get support for problems. Make something illegal and those who partake in it lose the protection of the law. Thus making prostitution illegal is the greatest harm the law does to women in our society.

That said, what the hell is prostitution anyway? All heterosexual men pay women for sex in one way or another. If you buy a woman an expensive diamond ring and marry her, how the hell isn't that the exchange of wealth for sex? Does it have to be a cash transaction? So Joe gives a woman a diamond ring in exchange for sex, and it's not an engagement but rather just payment for the sex, then it's not prostitution, right? So used diamond rings simply become an alternative currency.

I take out women to nice restaurants and pay for the dates. Typically sex happens on the third or fourth date. Since I'm spending a good $200 in romance on these women before sex, does that make them prostitutes?

The artificial distinction of what is and is not prostitution is, in fact, completely arbitrary. We live in a society in which women have short-term sexual relationships, including intercourse, with men who spend money on them and take them to nice places. And yes, a lot of these women are interested in me because I have a nice car and wouldn't have given me the time of day in my first car. Yes, women are shallow. So are men. It would be nice if we didn't care about superficial things like beauty and wealth, but we do. So in almost every romantic relationship between a man and a woman, the man gives some kind of financial resource to the woman. This is just part of human nature, and in fact, even predates homo sapiens.

So calling prostitution immoral is hypocritical bullshit, and making it illegal serves no purpose but to harm both men and women. Yes, there are trade-offs between pursuing short-term relationships and obtaining a long-term one, but prostitution is not the reason that the American mating market has drastically shifted towards short-term sexual relationships.

As for the prostitutes Rin visits, I can only imagine they are a greatly different class than the ones you see on the local news -- I wouldn't touch those with a ten foot pole. I have no idea how he gets them. Come to think of it, I've never seen a hooker walking on the street except in movies and t.v. shows. I have absolutely no street wisdom. But if it makes Rin happy, and it's consensual, and Rin stays safe, why should he be ashamed of it? He's hurting no one and contributing to the local economy.

I image that Rin's paying more for sex with hookers than I spend on date and hook ups, but I could be wrong. I spend about $200 and a good ten to twenty hours of my time on a woman before sex. And, of course, I spend about $80 on one or two dates each with several woman that goes no where for every "success". So I'm probably spending in time and cash about $1500 for each time I get laid with a new woman. How does that expense compare to prostitutes, Rin?

In any case, I like going out to a nice restaurant with a beautiful woman even if I don't get laid. The meal and conversation is an enjoyable and rewarding experience in itself. It makes me feel that I'm not wasting my life away doing nothing but work and PatNet. Granted, you do get some dates where there is zero chemistry, and they get awkward, but that's just part of life. I never blame the woman. Some people just don't jive.

Ceffer says

If you hire Hillary as a prostie,

I was thinking that Hillary would be the one paying for sex.

It is clear that Rin has an anti-social psychological disorder, probably aspergers and has an inability to connect with people on a deep personal level. He has found an outlet for his physical requirements, but he has no need for personal intimacy, or no capability of creating it. Hence his use of patnet for socializing. Apparently he is unaware of his psychological dysfunction and has created a rationalization around it where his abnormal behavior is justified by women's behavior towards men and the negative aspects of the society we live in. A healthy human strives for personal, intimate relationships with other humans, despite the challenges that must be overcome. This isn't an adaptation of a normal person to a dysfunctional society, as Rin would like to present it. It is an adaptation of a dysfunctional person to a normal society.

PaisleyPattern says

A healthy human strives for personal, intimate relationships with other humans,

who says?

Dr Bu,
its my personal opinion, and I believe most psychologists and philosophers would agree.

PaisleyPattern says

its my personal opinion, and I believe most psychologists and philosophers would agree.

At some point they and most society agreed that being gay is bad also. I do not see how this is different.

drBu says

At some point they and most society agreed that being gay is bad also.

Just because society majority opinion changes doesn't mean it's now more healthy to be gay. Fact is, gay people are more at risk for STDs and other health issues, psychological issues, and suicide as well as other negative outcomes. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Just because we now have stopped being mean or openly discriminatory against gays doesn't mean it's not an objectively "bad" lifestyle!

PaisleyPattern says

A healthy human strives for personal, intimate relationships with other humans, despite the challenges that must be overcome. This isn't an adaptation of a normal person to a dysfunctional society, as Rin would like to present it. It is an adaptation of a dysfunctional person to a normal society.

This is where I disagree. In America, ppl are only close to their friends from childhood, up through the end of college.

Afterwards, for the most part, ppl only make acquaintances and business associations. This is why I cherish meeting up with old classmates and being pals, instead of always having every occasion be a business meeting of sorts.

Many ppl already know this, which is why you see cliques at major public gatherings and afterwards, leave those gatherings gaining no additional friends outside of the same cliques.

Only in places like let's say South America, do ppl meet, make new friends, and perhaps, expand their web of intimate relationships.

Many immigrants to America will tell you that the greatest difficulty they had, upon arriving in America was the difficulty in forming intimate relationships with ppl outside of their diaspora.

Dr Bu,
I'm not saying it's bad. It is symptomatic of dysfunction. A healthy , functional species must be capable of procreation, and raising their offspring. Because humans are such a complex animal, it takes approximately 18 years to raise a child to the point where it is likely to survive on its own. In order to do this, males and females must form a safe, nurturing, stable environment in which to raise a child. In order to do this, the man and the woman must form a lasting bond. This is facilitated by the ability to form a relationship based on mutual trust, respect, communication, and cooperation. An individual who cannot form such a bond may procreate, but the odds of its offspring surviving to adulthood are greatly diminished. Thus the primacy of intimacy and deep personal relationships to the health and functionality of the human species. The introduction of birth control into our society, has helped to create a culture where casual sex with a low probability of procreation has become the norm, which has contributed to the creation of a society which doesn't reinforce the behaviors which are necessary to perpetuate the species. It seems we have outsmarted ourselves. An individual, such as Rin , who is unable or unwilling to connect personally and in a lasting way with a sexual partner, is a genetic dead end. The probability of them reproducing and producing viable offspring and thus the perpetuation of their's and their ancestors DNA, is low. This is for the best, for our species, that is.

Quigley says

drBu says

At some point they and most society agreed that being gay is bad also.

Just because society majority opinion changes doesn't mean it's now more healthy to be gay. Fact is, gay people are more at risk for STDs and other health issues, psychological issues, and suicide as well as other negative outcomes. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Just because we now have stopped being mean or openly discriminatory against gays doesn't mean it's not an objectively "bad" lifestyle!

That's a very good point. We have also become "forcibly" nice to fat people, however we are not doing them a favor, in fact we are worsening their condition by being fake fat-acceptance. A good friend is supposed to tell you the blunt truth but we have let that go for a sad culture of political correctness. Of course everybody is and should be free to live as they see fit, but they should not expect encouragement (which is fake bs anyways).

Quigley says

Just because society majority opinion changes doesn't mean it's now more healthy to be gay. Fact is, gay people are more at risk for STDs and other health issues, psychological issues, and suicide as well as other negative outcomes. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Just because we now have stopped being mean or openly discriminatory against gays doesn't mean it's not an objectively "bad" lifestyle!

My simple opinion is that it is not any of my business what people do in their bedrooms. If they want to have sex with their own gender, hole in the wall, or their chainsaw, they should be able to do it and I will not judge them for that. I have a problem only if they come to me and start lecturing me for acceptance of their behavior - not caring about it is not acceptance - or if they tell me that what I do is wrong. Same in a sense goes to what Rin does and about person who says that what Rin does is a dysfunction. It is none of my business what Rin does and if he does not hurt others, why would I lecture him about anything. Unfortunately, some people try to moralize.

With respect to having children, world is overpopulated.

Rin, you are an intelligent person, but you are rationalizing your own difficulties in bonding with women and, it seems, people in general. In this sense, your intelligence is working against you. Don't box yourself in. You are still quite immature, and your attitude is sophomoric. There is much to be gained through developing a relationship with a woman and creating a family, despite the possible pitfalls. The experience of being a father can bring out the best in you. A life based upon only your own personal gratification, will eventually become meaningless. Humans are essentially a social, and tribal animal. We have evolved this way and 70 years of birth control enabled shallow sexual behavior have not changed our essential genetics and psychology. Don't give up .

PaisleyPattern says

Rin , who is unable or unwilling to connect personally and in a lasting way with a sexual partner, is a genetic dead end

I'm not the smartest guy ever, but I can edge into that "genius" bracket on the low end. One thing I know is that if people like me don't procreate, only the dumb people will be having kids. And although a few smart kids will be born as genetic anomalies to that race of imbeciles, they are unlikely to persuade the population to undertake reason and progress rather than superstition and entropy.

So I found the best, smartest, most competent and hardworking girl I could find and made some babies with her. Turns out a lot of this stuff is genetic, cuz our kids aren't only cute and handsome, but also pretty freakin smart and motivated to do stuff!

The Bible says that "children are like arrows in a man's quiver." I take this to mean that they are assets, not liabilities. I don't subscribe to the old (boomer and before) way of thinking about children. That generation regarded their progeny as a burden and spoke longingly of when their kids turned 18 so they could kick them out and be free of responsibility once again!
Bull shit!
I want my relationship with our children to continue as long as I live, guiding and helping them to achieve their dreams so that the family as a whole will be stronger for their strength. Friends are fine, but the old saying is true: blood is thicker than water. Or even beer!

If you don't have family, make some. I was alone in California, but then I made myself a family and now I'm never alone.
If you can't procreate, consider adopting some kids who aren't babies. You'll acquire friends for life, friends who are grateful for your help at a vulnerable time in their lives, who will be there for you forever.
Family is worth it!

PaisleyPattern says

I'm not saying it's bad. It is symptomatic of dysfunction. A healthy , functional species must be capable of procreation, and raising their offspring. Because humans are such a complex animal, it takes approximately 18 years to raise a child to the point where it is likely to survive on its own. In order to do this, males and females must form a safe, nurturing, stable environment in which to raise a child. In order to do this, the man and the woman must form a lasting bond. This is facilitated by the ability to form a relationship based on mutual trust, respect, communication, and cooperation. An individual who cannot form such a bond may procreate, but the odds of its offspring surviving to adulthood are greatly diminished. Thus the primacy of intimacy and deep personal relationships to the health and functionality of the human species.

The general gist of this rings true. However modern society has distorted the natural genetic selection via the welfare state and taken away any financial dependence or responsibility from the women. I also think that Rin has a point with the time at which a bond is first formed. The earlier you bond the more likely you are to stay together. Unfortunately this is also being heavily discouraged these days. The result is that the functional, able and genetically and societal healthy women stop having kids or - when they do have them - have them under poor circumstances as a last minute bang before the biological clock runs out. Whereas many of those who shouldn't procreate do so excessively, leading to mild overpopulation of the undesired kind. Also for a man to find a genetically and psychologically healthy wife with beauty in modern western society is a quest of poor odds, so many men forego it altogether. I agree it should be attempted nonetheless, but Rin's lifestyle has a lot of appeal in modern society. It would have far less in former times before leftism, feminism and cultural marxism started destroying the nuclear family unit.

If that bitch ever does the Susan Summers thigh buster the Butterfly effect from her fetid cooch would create a vortex storm of the century and destroy everything in its path.

PaisleyPattern says

Don't box yourself in. You are still quite immature, and your attitude is sophomoric. There is much to be gained through developing a relationship with a woman and creating a family, despite the possible pitfalls.

So, you do have an agenda ... which is the age old 'but what about family values?' argument, ala Puritanism.

mell says

I also think that Rin has a point with the time at which a bond is first formed.

Correct, which means that my so-called sophomoric attitude is imbibed with the truth. When you're in business, no one is a true friend, only an association.

mell says

Also for a man to find a genetically and psychologically healthy wife with beauty in modern western society is a quest of poor odds, so many men forego it altogether. I agree it should be attempted nonetheless, but Rin's lifestyle has a lot of appeal in modern society. It would have far less in former times before leftism, feminism and cultural marxism started destroying the nuclear family unit.

I've already made my decision on the situation. I do not live in denial about our society. I've made my true friends by the ages of 25-28 and afterwards, everyone new is a business contact.

Albeit, it doesn't mean that they're animals but that they'll never truly be ~100% close like the ppl who you'd played army with, during the teenage years.

Mell,
Yes, but we mustn't give in to the state enabling single mothers to raise the children. We mustn't humor behavior such as Rin's nor condone what the state is doing. We must be men and point out where our society is going wrong and stand against it. If we just find a selfish loophole niche to survive in, we are acquiescing to the subjugation and possibly the elimination of our society and possibly our species.