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Business people are better than stark raving mad Liberals with no business or life experiences.
At least he didn't pick Romney, I'm dissapointed in him picking Burger Boy, but we'll see how that plays out. The only thing I know about him is he's the burger boy.

Somehow none of your concerns makes it anywhere the giveacrap threshold of Obama's decisions he did on everything.

I'm fine with this guy, if we're going to be the Jihad killing business why not take the Oil.

They can blame Merckle for emptying their country of people that deserve the Oil and leaving it with Godless cretins that drop people from roof tops on thier heads.
ISIS has the Oil and we will get it. That's Merckle and Obama's fault for first starting ISIS, second calling them the JV team, third bitching at Putin for trying to put a stop to it.
Those refugees(if there really were any) that fled to Europe should have stayed and killed Obama's ISIS team rather than fleeing from them.

Do you have any idea how many Jihad motherfucker we can kill with that kind of Oil money?

Who cares. We had an imbecile with no practical experience except being a Professor and a senator lead this country and it double down debt and made us a laughing stock of China and N Korea.
I will give him the same time as I gave Obama -about 2 years before I turn-if he does not perform.

As far as I am concerned these are public servants-sent there to do our bidding-I will not defend public servants based on their party-that is what encourages imbeciles to be public servants. Will wait for results. With Carrier and TPP-excellent-that is great even before stepping into office. OBozo the clown was asking how do you negotiate, what magic is there? He was exposed for being a talker.
Let the men take over-people with solid experience leading and building billion dollar companies. maybe they are altruistic and want to do good after being titans in their field. If so could not be better. I will give him two years-just as I gave Obozo 2 and realized he was an empty vessel that just makes the most noise.

I think Trump is different. But will see.

it is very important to put people there who know how to get things done-if your vision is to make america great again-you need people with solid experience on how the world works to execute that.

lostand confused says

I think Trump is different. But will see.

That's how I feel too. Cautious optimism.

rando says

That's how I feel too. Cautious optimism.

If we were looking at Hillary's Administration, when she appointed Tom "Monsanto" Vilsack as Sec of Ag, all the people busting Trump now would be defending Vilsack's appontment.

Tillerson is close personal friends with Putin. Really. Factually. He received Russia's highest civilian medal/award from Putin.

Exxon-Mobil has 1/2 trillion USD investment in Russia.

I am one for WANTING A LONG-LASTING PEACE BETWEEN RUSSIA & THE U.S. (unlike neocons, who want to stoke WWIII, using Ukraine, NATO, eastern European nations such as Poland or ANY other excuse), but this is such a bizarre pick for Secretary of State that if it is ultimately born out that Trump really doesn't want to be POTUS and is just trolling us, it would not surprise me.

For the last time: we need more business people in government to stimulate our economy and less blood sucking lawyers.

at least he'll be able to tell what the (C) stands for in incoming emails and remember not to bleachbit email server hard drives AFTER being subpoenaed by the FBI.

i read H's recorded speech to Goldman Sachs' for which she received $600K. it is clearly pay off money for the favors she did while working.

For the umpteemth time, adult converstaion-unless you are taking toa dictator or mobster is a an exchange of ideas. My premise is wether it be Trump or Obama, after a certain period of time-YOU OWN IT.

If my house has a plumbing problem and a plumber tells me he cna fix my mess-then he better be able to. If I hire someone who makes it worse and then blames the old plumber-no way. yeah the old plumber did a crappy job-we all know that-that is why we hired you. if all you are going to do is to blame him-I don't need you-I already know that.

The same for a President-if you run and say you are fixing that mess and hope and change-well fix it. Don't come 8 years later and say Bush or reagan or go ask citizens for ideas-what on earth?

Trump is the same-I will give him two years and he better make good . two/4 years later he comes and blames OBozo-buzz off.

What is with the left and person responsibility? Oh take a civics course, Obama this, that-Obama is not responsible-but Bush/Reagan is for Obama's failures???? Oh no.

In the same way Trump campaigned to fix Obama's mess-he better not come singing some sob story about dems/Obama a few years down the road.

You are the President and ran on fixing it-fix it. The other guy is gone-most of us agree he sucked-now fix it and do your job. What is so novel about that????

The Black guy was President in that movie.

Tim Aurora says

When you can't win an argument attack the person. Way to go

What's the argument? Specifically that having a guy who is friends with Russia and financial dealings is worse than supporting Saudi Arabia(i.e. Maintaining status quo)

How about we stop supporting Saudi Arabia AND appoint a guy without an obvious conflict of interest with Russia? Is that possible?

Quigley says

Unlike the elitists and globalists, I am NOT afraid of the USA being friendly with Russia. In fact, I believe that this is the only path to peace and prosperity.

I couldn't agree more. War is a losing proposition - especially between two nuclear superpowers.

"Unlike the elitists and globalists, I am NOT afraid of the USA being friendly with Russia. In fact, I believe that this is the only path to peace and prosperity. But maybe you've not had enough neocon games to suit you."

So the fact that Putin murders reporters and people who criticize the government doesn't bother you? You think there are people in US that are taking away free speech? Go to Russia and see what you think.

joeyjojojunior says

How about we stop supporting Saudi Arabia AND appoint a guy without an obvious conflict of interest with Russia? Is that possible?

He won't have any conflicts of interest when he leaves Exxon. Lets just make sure of that. Wont that be OK?

"He won't have any conflicts of interest when he leaves Exxon. Lets just make sure of that. Wont that be OK?"

Sure--how are you going to do that exactly? Make him disown all his former friends and colleagues?

joeyjojojunior says

"He won't have any conflicts of interest when he leaves Exxon. Lets just make sure of that. Wont that be OK?"

Sure--how are you going to do that exactly? Make him disown all his former friends and colleagues?

Having friends in Exxon is not conflict of interest.

Tim Aurora says

Strategist says

Having friends in Exxon is not conflict of interest.

Remember Dick Cheney. All he had was friends in Halliburton

Hillary has Saudi friends. Would that be a conflict of interest?

"Hillary has Saudi friends. Would that be a conflict of interest?"

Hillary has friends?

We have had 2 Lawyers come into office over the last 24 years.

NAFTA and CRAPP (Community Reinvestment Act Public and Private), two bills that they pushed were lead causes of a long term US economic downturn.

To the Dems point there is the potential for conflicts of interest with private sector persons. But does anyone think that the Clintons became multimillionaires over their 30 year political careers because of their lack of conflicts of interest?

joeyjojojunior says

"Hillary has Saudi friends. Would that be a conflict of interest?"

Hillary has friends?

Yup. Wish i had friends that give me millions of dollars.
For $5 million i would even convert to Islam.

joeyjojojunior says

So the fact that Putin murders reporters and people who criticize the government doesn't bother you?

China does much worse and we have most favored nation status with them for trade. China's record on human rights is one of the worst in the world and yet we do business with them on an unparalleled basis.
The US interest in human rights ends at our borders. We will do business with or ally with any country who can offer something we want no matter what they do to their own citizens. This is historical fact, not subjective opinion.
Therefore your argument is utterly worthless

Trump's Cabinet picks are elated tonight!

Celebration dinner will be at Jean-Georges, with a 29-course meal.

Quigley says

The US interest in human rights ends at our borders. We will do business with or ally with any country who can offer something we want no matter what they do to their own citizens. This is historical fact, not subjective opinion.

Yup. Let's add Turkey. Erdogan shut down the oppositions' newspapers and detained over 100 journalists. Hardly a peep.

If Russia had done that, we'd never hear the end of it. A NATO Member did that and it was mentioned briefly during one news cycle and all but vanished.
https://Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2016%2Fsep%2F02%2Fjournalist-erdogan-arrests-turkey-crackdown-criticism-president&usg=AFQjCNHfj0vTh3uZ0lB9ljehEzas-uaZzA&sig2=Yx1I4kTeg6687qsH-EBmvA

Don't hear much about Raif Badawi, either. Getting hundreds of flayed-skin lashes and prison time for defending a rape victim as her lawyer. Again, not Singapore naughty boy buttsmacks, but cat-o-nine tails Roose Bolton Game of Thrones skin flaying lashes.

a lot of useless and waste-of-time comments and opinions in this thread

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

a lot of useless and waste-of-time comments and opinions in this thread

I agree. Let's get back to the important issues. Like the assault on Christmas and the thousands of people imprisoned for wishing their neighbor a Merry Christmas

joeyjojojunior says

Let's get back to the important issues.

You got rhetorically spanked! Own it.

Ironman says

Was Putin invited? After all, it was HIS actions that won it for Trump!

Putin must have voted illegally millions of times.

"You got rhetorically spanked! Own it."

Darn, I missed it. Which post owned me?

"Yup. Let's add Turkey. Erdogan shut down the oppositions' newspapers and detained over 100 journalists. Hardly a peep.
If Russia had done that, we'd never hear the end of it. A NATO Member did that and it was mentioned briefly during one news cycle and all but vanished."

Thunder-Russia doesn't detain their journalists. Putin just has them killed.

Do you believe that ketchup interests will pose the same conflicts of interests for a Secretary of State as oil interests would?

I'm sure you can list the great many wars started over ketchup.

joeyjojojunior says

Thunder-Russia doesn't detain their journalists. Putin just has them killed.

As usual, there's no evidence and those murdered made a lot of Oligarch Enemies.

PS More reporters have been murdered in the Ukraine over the past couple of years than Russia or really, anywhere else. Strangely, they're all of the anti-Regime, anti-EU, pro-Russian side of the equation.

"As usual, there's no evidence and those murdered made a lot of Oligarch Enemies"

uh-huh. There's never any evidence, right? No evidence Russia hacked the DNC, yet now Trump and pretty much everyone acknowledges it.

"PS More reporters have been murdered in the Ukraine over the past couple of years than Russia or really, anywhere else. Strangely, they're all of the anti-Regime, anti-EU, pro-Russian side of the equation."

And we're back to Thunder's usual M.O. Yes, Putin kills journalists, but another country killed more! Great.. Putin isn't the biggest murderer in the world.

joeyjojojunior says

uh-huh. There's never any evidence, right? No evidence Russia hacked the DNC, yet now Trump and pretty much everyone acknowledges it.

Yep, if you have the evidence, let's see it.

joeyjojojunior says

And we're back to Thunder's usual M.O. Yes, Putin kills journalists, but another country killed more! Great.. Putin isn't the biggest murderer in the world.

Why didn't you read this is the MSM? Probably because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Just like Turkey's mass detention of journalists and shutdown of opposition media outlets doesn't get much press. In fact, Turkey is the World Leader in imprisoning Journalists, China is Second.
https://cpj.org/reports/2016/12/journalists-jailed-record-high-turkey-crackdown.php

Where's the Legacy Media?

"Yep, if you have the evidence, let's see it."

You mean--let's see it for the 5th time. So I can ignore it and ask for the evidence again tomorrow? No thanks.

"Why didn't you read this is the MSM? Probably because it doesn't fit the narrative"

Where do you read about Putin killing journalists in the MSM? How about we treat Russia and Turkey the same and not cozy up to either?

joeyjojojunior says

Do you believe that ketchup interests will pose the same conflicts of interests for a Secretary of State as oil interests would?

Yes.

Well OK then.

joeyjojojunior says

You mean--let's see it for the 5th time. So I can ignore it and ask for the evidence again tomorrow? No thanks.

Nice try deflecting! We've been over this over and over again, and I'm not the only one who has been demanding actual evidence.

Furthermore, what's out there is the FBI's report on Crowdstrike's report - a DNC Contractor. So not only is the evidence flimsy, but it comes directly from a consulting firm hired by the DNC. Surprise! Consulting Firm comes up with conclusion that serves it's Employer's interest.

joeyjojojunior says

Where do you read about Putin killing journalists in the MSM? How about we treat Russia and Turkey the same and not cozy up to either?

Great, so you're in favor of kicking Turkey out of NATO?

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