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How about we stop supporting Saudi Arabia AND appoint a guy without an obvious conflict of interest with Russia? Is that possible?

Quigley says

Unlike the elitists and globalists, I am NOT afraid of the USA being friendly with Russia. In fact, I believe that this is the only path to peace and prosperity.

I couldn't agree more. War is a losing proposition - especially between two nuclear superpowers.

"Unlike the elitists and globalists, I am NOT afraid of the USA being friendly with Russia. In fact, I believe that this is the only path to peace and prosperity. But maybe you've not had enough neocon games to suit you."

So the fact that Putin murders reporters and people who criticize the government doesn't bother you? You think there are people in US that are taking away free speech? Go to Russia and see what you think.

joeyjojojunior says

How about we stop supporting Saudi Arabia AND appoint a guy without an obvious conflict of interest with Russia? Is that possible?

He won't have any conflicts of interest when he leaves Exxon. Lets just make sure of that. Wont that be OK?

"He won't have any conflicts of interest when he leaves Exxon. Lets just make sure of that. Wont that be OK?"

Sure--how are you going to do that exactly? Make him disown all his former friends and colleagues?

joeyjojojunior says

"He won't have any conflicts of interest when he leaves Exxon. Lets just make sure of that. Wont that be OK?"

Sure--how are you going to do that exactly? Make him disown all his former friends and colleagues?

Having friends in Exxon is not conflict of interest.

Tim Aurora says

Strategist says

Having friends in Exxon is not conflict of interest.

Remember Dick Cheney. All he had was friends in Halliburton

Hillary has Saudi friends. Would that be a conflict of interest?

"Hillary has Saudi friends. Would that be a conflict of interest?"

Hillary has friends?

We have had 2 Lawyers come into office over the last 24 years.

NAFTA and CRAPP (Community Reinvestment Act Public and Private), two bills that they pushed were lead causes of a long term US economic downturn.

To the Dems point there is the potential for conflicts of interest with private sector persons. But does anyone think that the Clintons became multimillionaires over their 30 year political careers because of their lack of conflicts of interest?

joeyjojojunior says

"Hillary has Saudi friends. Would that be a conflict of interest?"

Hillary has friends?

Yup. Wish i had friends that give me millions of dollars.
For $5 million i would even convert to Islam.

joeyjojojunior says

So the fact that Putin murders reporters and people who criticize the government doesn't bother you?

China does much worse and we have most favored nation status with them for trade. China's record on human rights is one of the worst in the world and yet we do business with them on an unparalleled basis.
The US interest in human rights ends at our borders. We will do business with or ally with any country who can offer something we want no matter what they do to their own citizens. This is historical fact, not subjective opinion.
Therefore your argument is utterly worthless

Trump's Cabinet picks are elated tonight!

Celebration dinner will be at Jean-Georges, with a 29-course meal.

Quigley says

The US interest in human rights ends at our borders. We will do business with or ally with any country who can offer something we want no matter what they do to their own citizens. This is historical fact, not subjective opinion.

Yup. Let's add Turkey. Erdogan shut down the oppositions' newspapers and detained over 100 journalists. Hardly a peep.

If Russia had done that, we'd never hear the end of it. A NATO Member did that and it was mentioned briefly during one news cycle and all but vanished.
https://Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2016%2Fsep%2F02%2Fjournalist-erdogan-arrests-turkey-crackdown-criticism-president&usg=AFQjCNHfj0vTh3uZ0lB9ljehEzas-uaZzA&sig2=Yx1I4kTeg6687qsH-EBmvA

Don't hear much about Raif Badawi, either. Getting hundreds of flayed-skin lashes and prison time for defending a rape victim as her lawyer. Again, not Singapore naughty boy buttsmacks, but cat-o-nine tails Roose Bolton Game of Thrones skin flaying lashes.

a lot of useless and waste-of-time comments and opinions in this thread

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

a lot of useless and waste-of-time comments and opinions in this thread

I agree. Let's get back to the important issues. Like the assault on Christmas and the thousands of people imprisoned for wishing their neighbor a Merry Christmas

joeyjojojunior says

Let's get back to the important issues.

You got rhetorically spanked! Own it.

Ironman says

Was Putin invited? After all, it was HIS actions that won it for Trump!

Putin must have voted illegally millions of times.

"You got rhetorically spanked! Own it."

Darn, I missed it. Which post owned me?

"Yup. Let's add Turkey. Erdogan shut down the oppositions' newspapers and detained over 100 journalists. Hardly a peep.
If Russia had done that, we'd never hear the end of it. A NATO Member did that and it was mentioned briefly during one news cycle and all but vanished."

Thunder-Russia doesn't detain their journalists. Putin just has them killed.

Do you believe that ketchup interests will pose the same conflicts of interests for a Secretary of State as oil interests would?

I'm sure you can list the great many wars started over ketchup.

joeyjojojunior says

Thunder-Russia doesn't detain their journalists. Putin just has them killed.

As usual, there's no evidence and those murdered made a lot of Oligarch Enemies.

PS More reporters have been murdered in the Ukraine over the past couple of years than Russia or really, anywhere else. Strangely, they're all of the anti-Regime, anti-EU, pro-Russian side of the equation.

"As usual, there's no evidence and those murdered made a lot of Oligarch Enemies"

uh-huh. There's never any evidence, right? No evidence Russia hacked the DNC, yet now Trump and pretty much everyone acknowledges it.

"PS More reporters have been murdered in the Ukraine over the past couple of years than Russia or really, anywhere else. Strangely, they're all of the anti-Regime, anti-EU, pro-Russian side of the equation."

And we're back to Thunder's usual M.O. Yes, Putin kills journalists, but another country killed more! Great.. Putin isn't the biggest murderer in the world.

joeyjojojunior says

uh-huh. There's never any evidence, right? No evidence Russia hacked the DNC, yet now Trump and pretty much everyone acknowledges it.

Yep, if you have the evidence, let's see it.

joeyjojojunior says

And we're back to Thunder's usual M.O. Yes, Putin kills journalists, but another country killed more! Great.. Putin isn't the biggest murderer in the world.

Why didn't you read this is the MSM? Probably because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Just like Turkey's mass detention of journalists and shutdown of opposition media outlets doesn't get much press. In fact, Turkey is the World Leader in imprisoning Journalists, China is Second.
https://cpj.org/reports/2016/12/journalists-jailed-record-high-turkey-crackdown.php

Where's the Legacy Media?

"Yep, if you have the evidence, let's see it."

You mean--let's see it for the 5th time. So I can ignore it and ask for the evidence again tomorrow? No thanks.

"Why didn't you read this is the MSM? Probably because it doesn't fit the narrative"

Where do you read about Putin killing journalists in the MSM? How about we treat Russia and Turkey the same and not cozy up to either?

joeyjojojunior says

Do you believe that ketchup interests will pose the same conflicts of interests for a Secretary of State as oil interests would?

Yes.

Well OK then.

joeyjojojunior says

You mean--let's see it for the 5th time. So I can ignore it and ask for the evidence again tomorrow? No thanks.

Nice try deflecting! We've been over this over and over again, and I'm not the only one who has been demanding actual evidence.

Furthermore, what's out there is the FBI's report on Crowdstrike's report - a DNC Contractor. So not only is the evidence flimsy, but it comes directly from a consulting firm hired by the DNC. Surprise! Consulting Firm comes up with conclusion that serves it's Employer's interest.

joeyjojojunior says

Where do you read about Putin killing journalists in the MSM? How about we treat Russia and Turkey the same and not cozy up to either?

Great, so you're in favor of kicking Turkey out of NATO?

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"Nice try deflecting! We've been over this over and over again, and I'm not the only one who has been demanding actual evidence."

And I'm not the only one who has provided it multiple times for you. So, you can ignore it and claim again tomorrow that there is no evidence.

"There aren't any French Fries in Russia??"

I call them freedom fries, but yes, I'm pretty sure Russia has them. And what's your point?

"I'm sure none of these other Heinz brands/foods aren't sold in Russia, right Tatty???"

I'm sure they are. Again--what's your point?

Yep-I read that when zzyyxx first posted it. What's your point? I already told you and him that ketchup and oil aren't the same thing from a conflict of interest point of view.