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Dan8267
2016 Dec 15, 4:53pm
If we're going to get rid of the electoral college for the next election, we should also get rid of winner take all and use
1. Instant run-off elections for president
2. Proportional representation for Congress
3. Proportional voting power for senators based on the number of people they represent
If all this outcry to change the rules was really motivated for improving the system rather than undermining the election, then these three reforms would be unopposed and universally supported.
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2016 Dec 15, 6:31pm
They don't have to change the rules to reject Trump, so that doesn't really matter. OTOH, it would probably be hard to justify based on incompetence at this point. To justify it well, I think that they would need to base it on something that no one knew about when voting. For example, if there were some proof that he was compromised, but it's very doubtful that exists. If he ends up doing something so egregious that it's hard to repair, he can be impeached later.
If the election were decided based on popular vote, Trump would have run a different campaign (as would Hillary), but I doubt that Trump would have won. There is a lot more randomness involved in an electoral college system, where big shifts in the EC depend on less than 100K votes. As it happened, Trump did well and got a little lucky.
Electoral College
How dare you Constitution HATERS question the intent on the FOUNDING FATHERS!
In the back of their minds they were thinking fuck D & R voters!
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Should the electoral college discard the will of the people and not vote for Trump? Should the electoral college be banned and the popular vote be used alone?
Funny. I've been saying get rid of the electoral college for the past 30 years. Now that Trump got elected, people are finally listening to the arguments against it. Well, you cannot change the rules of the race after the race just because you don't like the results. Any changes will have to be applied for the next election, not this one.
If the electorate decides to ignore the actual votes and elect anyone but Trump, then America cannot make any claims of being a "democratic republic" or a democracy.
Both parties made this bed and now have to sleep in it.
It's also funny how when I and many others were calling for the Democratic super delegates to do their sole job and override the will of the primary voters in order to prevent a Trump presidency, all the left said that the will of a tiny percentage of the U.S. population who vote in the Democratic primary (not even all Democrats) is so fucking important that the super delegates could never nominate Sanders over Hillary. Now those same fucktards are calling for the electoral college to override the will of half the people who voted in the actual election, not the tiny primary voters, and just say "fuck all democratic principles". What hypocrisy.
Still, I'd love to see what happens if the electoral college actually did this. My prediction: armed Trump supporters open carrying right outside the White House and Congress.
One more thought. I love the idea that Trump may be the catalyst to get rid of the electoral college finally. It's stupid that America has to wait until the shit hits the fan in order to correct a problem. However, it would be a terrible precedent to change the effective rules after the race is ran.
Good point from NPR speaker: If the rule was to elect base on the popular vote, then both campaigns would have be ran differently and the popular vote itself would be greatly different and there is absolutely no reason to believe that Hillary would have won the popular vote if the election rule was that the popular vote mattered.
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