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Rashomon says

Anyway, I've had my fill. There's only so much of Patrick.net I can stomach these days.

he he he. Fun arguing with you. See ya.

Rashomon says

All you've done is spout the usual right wing drivel against people (me) who don't hold your simplistic views about what is going on. That isn't making constructive comments. And spouting oh-so-predictable anti-Muslim rhetoric isn't making constructive comments either, but hey, you fail to seem to understand that as well. Paint me unsurprised.

Nope. That is just sane people tired of the left and their refusal to answer questions and branding anything they don't agree with as some strange phobia. For a while people responded, but now people just treat your kind as petulant children.
. You are right, it is not a simple . However you steadfastly refuse to answer-Muslim suicide bombings and killings in the name of Allah-in India, Thailand, Kenya, USA, Germany, Spain, britain and many Muslim countries themselves. What have they got to do with US bombings led by Obama over the last 8 years. Muslim terror and killings have been going on for millennia.

If you look at history, Muslims invaded Europe, ruled Spain for centuries and were driven back. India has been ravaged by them for eons-long before the US bombing campaign-heck long before the uS existed. Utter barbarity ensued where Hindu places of worship were destroyed and Mosques built over them and huge number of Hindus massacred and forcibly converted. . They have stuck east, west and every place in between. Now they strike many places in the world with terror bombing-the elft says thsi si due to US bombings and the rest are supposed to treat you as adults??

Why are they killing so many innocent people across the globe-they don't hide it, proudly proclaim Allah-so what can be done to stop it. This is a global problem and Muslim countries themselves are victims of it.

lostand confused says

If you look at history, Muslims invaded Europe, ruled Spain for centuries and were driven back.

Sigh. So what? Those weren't Muslims like it was one great entity. Spain was occupied by the Moors. Other groups fought in different areas. You could say exactly the same thing about Christianity if you want to take that approach. The history of mankind has been expansion through violence. Religion has been nothing but a tool in that. If there had been no religion, then wars would have still gone on.
lostand confused says

However you steadfastly refuse to answer-Muslim suicide bombings and killings in the name of Allah-in India, Thailand, Kenya, USA, Germany, Spain, britain and many Muslim countries themselves. What have they got to do with US bombings led by Obama over the last 8 years. Muslim terror and killings have been going on for millennia.

What are you talking about? What do you expect me to say about that? I already stated it's utterly abhorrent. That has nothing to do with why suicide bombings have arisen only recently though, let alone what can be done to counter what is driving it. You apparently aren't remotely interested in understanding the former so how the hell do you think you're going to begin to address the latter?
Anyway, as I said I've had my fill, so I'll leave you to it.

Just FYI, you guys are arguing with Rashomon who has stated he is a follower of BBC.

BBC has a miserable anti Israeli history and Rashomon has stated on multiple occasions that he essentially buys into the BBC false propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC#Israeli.E2.80.93Palestinian_conflict

How is it a concept lost on anyone:

Muslims lay down their weapons there is instant peace.

If Israel lays down their weapons, the nation ceases to exist.

Trump said the following:
"ISIS and other Islamist terrorists continually slaughter Christians in their communities and places of worship as part of their global jihad," Trump said. "These terrorists and their regional and worldwide networks must be eradicated from the face of the earth, a mission we will carry out with all freedom-loving partners."
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Thank You President Trump. Most of the world will partner with you. I can hardly wait for these terrorists to be eradicated from the face of the earth.

Here is another Muslim jihadi-this time a convert. A common criminal that converts and now wants to slaughter innocent people in the name of Allah. What in the Muslim faith legitimizes this??
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/muslim-phoenix-arrested-plotting-terrorist-midnight-mass-acre-attack-christmas-eve/

Rashomon says

Yeah, yeah, call it what you like. They've knowingly killed 1000s of civilians, women and children, to kill terrorists. Call it collateral 'damage' all you like, but these are innocent people who've had their lives taken.

When's the UN Resolution about Saudi coming out? They've killed or sponsored killers of 1000s of people, more like tens of thousands, in the past decade alone.

"If you vote for this resolution condemning the House of Saud, Mozambique, Peru or Ghana, and you will have the mother of an oil shortage, son of perdition and brother of Haram!"

Now you know "why the whole world" backs anti-Israel resolutions.

Rashomon says

Decency? Some semblance of alignment with the rest of the world on this matter?

German, French, Swedish, Belgian, Norwegian and British alignment is more towards stupid and misguided. That's why there are so many takers now who will start hair-trigger riots

Good point.

It's funny that Germany never participated in the Iraq War and regularly condemns Israel. BDS is very popular in Central and Western Europe.

And so do many other European countries; it doesn't stop the terror and mass rape by the followers of the most merciful.

Fucking White Male says

BBC has a miserable anti Israeli history

Love how they refer to Pakistani rapists as "Asian gangs"....not remotely racist

MMR says

Love how they refer to Pakistani rapists as "Asian gangs"....not remotely racist

A Sikh group is urging the media and politicians not to describe the Rotherham grooming gang as “Asian” as the term is too vague and “besmirches” communities.

Four of the six people convicted offences including rape and assault as part of years of sexual abuse in the Yorkshire town were of Pakistani heritage, while two others were British women.

Bhai Amrik Singh, chairman of the Sikh Federation UK said he hoped their combined prison sentences of more than 100 years would give a measure of justice to “ victims that have endured more than a decade of violence and horrific sexual abuse”.

Not ONE of the male Rothham perps was not a Muslim. But to point that out is to be racist against a worldview.

Rashomon says

What are you talking about? What do you expect me to say about that?

Ok...why should so many from war torn countries be settling into Western Europe or the US.? Ever bother to wonder why they are not pressuring Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain and Yemen to take people in?

People unwilling to assimilate with such perverse thinking should stay out, but you basically blindly support their right to immigrate

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

. But to point that out is to be racist against a worldview

People like rashomon and Marcus are perfectly ok with it; indifferent at best due to blind following of MSM tropes

MMR says

Fucking White Male says

BBC has a miserable anti Israeli history

Love how they refer to Pakistani rapists as "Asian gangs"....not remotely racist

Exactly! They have been pulling the same shit for years now in many European countries, e.g. in Germany they have been referring to them often as "southlandish" which in Germany is usually associated with people from Italy, Spain, south of France and Greece.

I'm still gobsmacked that Muslims dominated 1/4 of Europe and North Africa basically ran on White Slavery well into the 19th Century and the dominant narrative is that the innocent,wonderful Muslims have been picked on by Europeans since the Middle Ages.

150 years ago, the same people raping in Cologne would have been on a Xebec, landing in a 3AM raid in Corsica, the South of France, or Sicily, carrying away women to rape back in Tunisia. North Africans raided Ireland and even Iceland sometimes. Not in the ancient past when the halberd was a top notch weapon, but when men wore powdered wigs, and for decades past the deaths of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

What stopped it was steam powered ships the slave-galleys couldn't outrow. Slavery was eliminated by Europe's force of arms, not by Muslim goodwill.

The reason non-oil Muslim States are so poor is because endless slavery made them lazy and stupid.

Strategist says

Thank You President Trump. Most of the world will partner with you. I can hardly wait for these terrorists to be eradicated from the face of the earth.

Who doesn't want that? But, what exactly do you think the West has been doing for the better part of 40 years? How has that worked out? Why will it be any different under Trump? In fact, why won't it get worse under him?

Fucking White Male says

Just FYI, you guys are arguing with Rashomon who has stated he is a follower of BBC.

A follower of the BBC? It's not a bloody cult FFS. It makes some interesting programs. I choose to watch some of them. Amazing, I know.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

and the dominant narrative is that the innocent,wonderful Muslims have been picked on by Europeans since the Middle Ages.

It is? According to whom?

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

150 years ago, the same people raping in Cologne would have been on a Xebec, landing in a 3AM raid in Corsica, the South of France, or Sicily, carrying away women to rape back in Tunisia. North Africans raided Ireland and even Iceland sometimes. Not in the ancient past when the halberd was a top notch weapon, but when men wore powdered wigs, and for decades past the deaths of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

What stopped it was steam powered ships the slave-galleys couldn't outrow. Slavery was eliminated by Europe's force of arms, not by Muslim goodwill.

Whereas the West has an unblemished record in that regard.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

The reason non-oil Muslim States are so poor is because endless slavery made them lazy and stupid.

Good grief.

MMR says

German, French, Swedish, Belgian, Norwegian and British alignment is more towards stupid and misguided. That's why there are so many takers now who will start hair-trigger riots

Current members of the UN Security Council (who participated in the vote): the US, the UK, China, the Russian Federation, France, Spain, New Zealand, Angola, Egypt, Japan, Malaysia, Senegal, Spain, Uruguay and the Ukraine.

Rashomon says

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

and the dominant narrative is that the innocent,wonderful Muslims have been picked on by Europeans since the Middle Ages.

It is? According to whom?

Thunderlips is correct.

According to the mainsteam press, and almost all politicians aside from Trump, and all college speech gestapo. To point out the historical fact that the Muslims were actually extremely abusive of non-Muslim people will get you excoriated, impeached, expelled, etc.

And yet it remains true, for example, that Saudi Arabia grudgingly outlawed slaverly only in 1962, and its clerics have never accepted that law because slavery is still officially part of Islam.

Worse: slavery continues down to the present moment in Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other such wonderful bastions of human rights because Islam says it's OK:

http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/SaudiArabia.htm

rando says

Worse: slavery continues down to the present moment in Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other such wonderful bastions of human rights because Islam says it's OK:

Forms of slavery continue down to the present day in every country on the planet. You may as well say Christians say it's OK if you are going to peddle that line. After all, what has the Bible got to say about it...

Fucking barbarians.

"Saudi sheik: 'Slavery is a part of Islam'
WorldNetdaily, November 10, 2003
www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35518
[accessed 21 December 2010]
A leading Saudi government cleric and author of the country's religious curriculum believes Islam advocates slavery. "Slavery is a part of Islam," says Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, according to the independent Saudi Information Agency, or SIA. In a lecture recorded on tape by SIA, the sheik said, "Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam." His religious books are used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the country and abroad, including the United States."

Rashomon says

rando says

Worse: slavery continues down to the present moment in Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other such wonderful bastions of human rights because Islam says it's OK:

Forms of slavery continue down to the present day in every country on the planet. You may as well say Christians say it's OK if you are going to peddle that line. After all, what has the Bible got to say about it...

Yes, but it's against the law everywhere. But in Islam it's part of Jihad.

rando says

According to the mainsteam press, almost all politicians aside from Trump, and all college speech gestapo. To point out the historical fact that the Muslims were actually extremely abusive of non-Muslim people will get you excoriated, impeached, expelled, etc.

Sure, sure, every politician and academic is saying how innocent and wonderful Muslims are. I must have missed that part. Rather like you.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

Thank You President Trump. Most of the world will partner with you. I can hardly wait for these terrorists to be eradicated from the face of the earth.

Who doesn't want that? But, what exactly do you think the West has been doing for the better part of 40 years? How has that worked out? Why will it be any different under Trump? In fact, why won't it get worse under him?

We have been approaching terrorism as if it was a crime, with full human rights to terrorists. That does not work. What works is the cruel way Saddam Hussein and Assad controlled the masses. Obviously we can never be like the dictators, but what we can do is install friendly, cruel dictators, and look the other way as they crack down on religion.
I can't think of anything else that will work.

Strategist says

Yes, but it's against the law everywhere. But in Islam it's part of Jihad.

You are trying to make out that the actions of extremists are representative of the entire Muslim world. Even you should accept that is ridiculous.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

Yes, but it's against the law everywhere. But in Islam it's part of Jihad.

You are trying to make out that the actions of extremists are representative of the entire Muslim world. Even you should accept that is ridiculous.

The actions of extremists is representative of Islam. Plain and simple.

Strategist says

We have been approaching terrorism as if it was a crime, with full human rights to terrorists. That does not work. What works is the cruel way Saddam Hussein and Assad controlled the masses. Obviously we can never be like the dictators, but what we can do is install friendly, cruel dictators, and look the other way as they crack down on religion.

I can't think of anything else that will work.

Those dictators are/were a very large part of why we face this mess in the first place.

Strategist says

The actions of extremists is representative of Islam. Plain and simple.

No, they aren't. Plain and simple. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding citizens. On what planet are the murderous actions of ISIS representative of that?

Rashomon says

Strategist says

The actions of extremists is representative of Islam. Plain and simple.

No, they aren't. Plain and simple.

Yes they are. They do everything Mohammad the "perfect Muslim" did.

Strategist says

Yes they are. They do everything Mohammad the "perfect Muslim" did.

No, they don't.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

Yes they are. They do everything Mohammad the "perfect Muslim" did.

No, they don't.

Ha ha ha. Are you denying Mohammad was a pedophile, had slaves, raped, plundered, and murdered?

Rashomon says

Strategist says

Yes they are. They do everything Mohammad the "perfect Muslim" did.

No, they don't.

It's true that most Muslims are much better human beings than they are good Muslims.

Otherwise the world would be truly fucked.

Strategist says

Ha ha ha. Are you denying Mohammad was a pedophile, had slaves, raped, plundered, and murdered?

You mean like many other powerful leaders throughout most periods of history? That doesn't mean ISIS is representative of the Muslim world in the here and now.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

Ha ha ha. Are you denying Mohammad was a pedophile, had slaves, raped, plundered, and murdered?

You mean like many other powerful leaders throughout history? That doesn't mean ISIS is representative of the Muslim world in the here and now.

Mohammad is regarded by Muslims as the perfect Muslim. Anything and everything he did represents Islam in it's purest form. Terrorists clearly state this as a reason for their action.

Strategist says

Mohammad is regarded by Muslims as the perfect Muslim. Anything and everything he did represents Islam in it's purest form. Terrorists clearly state this as a reason for their action.

And like I said, terrorists aren't representative of the Muslim world.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

Mohammad is regarded by Muslims as the perfect Muslim. Anything and everything he did represents Islam in it's purest form. Terrorists clearly state this as a reason for their action.

And like I said, terrorists aren't representative of the Muslim world.

Why?

Is Mohammad representative of the Muslim World?

Strategist says

Why?

Oh, FFS. How many Muslims do you know? Out of those, how many have slaves, rape, commit murder etc. etc. Get the point?