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Anti American Bears ... not educated... can't read data properly


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2017 Jan 6, 8:31am   34,215 views  258 comments

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174   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:09pm  

joeyjojojunior says

Need and can afford are two different things. That's the point.

Retail sales cycle highs
Home sales cycle highs , mortgage buyers cycle highs
Wages all time highs
165 Million working Americans
Highest Job openings print ever

These are not what you see in near deflationary collapses coming from a soft demographic patch as we are from 2008-2019

175   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:09pm  

joeyjojojunior says

All you are doing is showing graphs of today.

We have more working people now than the total population back in 1929

176   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:11pm  

Listen I am not a total Conservative tool here, I am open to more government spending for the lower end... just not worried about our middle class

I wouldn't come on this show if I was

177   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 4:11pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

What I am trying to explain is that more middle class Americans own homes and have that wealth than 1929, the distribution isn't the same. This is why a deflationary collapse in America is very unlikely

And what I'm saying is that that is reflected in the chart I already posted.

178   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 4:12pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

These are not what you see in near deflationary collapses coming from a soft demographic patch as we are from 2008-2019

Really? Retail sales always peak before a recession. Again--what were they in 1928?

179   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:13pm  

joeyjojojunior says

Again--what were they in 1928?

This isn't a deflationary collapse working population data line

1929 collapse would need humans to not spend on food and energy in the same trend post 1939

180   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 4:14pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

We have more working people now than the total population back in 1929

So what? We have more non-working people too.

181   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 4:15pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

1929 collapse would need humans to not spend on food and energy in the same trend post 1939

Because they have no money?

182   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:15pm  

joeyjojojunior says

We have more non-working people too.

Missing only 2.5 million prime age workers from the peak of the last cycle

Note what you're saying is roughly 43.7 million will refuse to buy food and gasoline which will send GDP to negative 10% and unemployment rates to 30

183   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:16pm  

joeyjojojunior says

Because they have no money?

This theory that Americans are too poor to buy food and gasoline the middle class doesn't have any data to support it

184   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 4:24pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

Note what you're saying is roughly 43.7 million will refuse to buy food and gasoline which will send GDP to negative 10% and unemployment rates to 30

Nope--that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying at some point people won't be able to borrow money any longer and therefore won't be able to spend at the same rate as they are spending now. They won't refuse to buy food and gas-they just won't be able to afford it.

185   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 4:27pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

This theory that Americans are too poor to buy food and gasoline the middle class doesn't have any data to support it

Of course it does--I already posted it. The data is inequality. The pie grows at 2%/year roughly. If more and more goes to the top 0.01%, then it means that the other 99.9% are getting less and less. This can't continue forever.

186   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:29pm  

joeyjojojunior says

They won't refuse to buy food and gas-they just won't be able to afford it.

I have heard of this theory that debt servicing for food and gasoline will go away

I just to buy it due to the distribution of income to consumption for both and not to mention we have SNAP today too

187   HEY YOU   2017 Jan 9, 4:31pm  

I've not read all the comments. Has anyone caught on to Logan.
He's so invested in his economic theology that he is doing everything to convince himself that the status quo can continue.
Living in fear is not the best choice of lifestyle.

Damned old data.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

188   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:31pm  

A lot bad things have to happen to have a 1929 deflationary collapse....

189   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:33pm  

HEY YOU says

Damned old data.

Like I said you can't read data properly hence why you think everyone is poor outside the 1%

190   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:35pm  

I understand why you do what you do.. but you're completely voided 7 decades of data

191   _   2017 Jan 9, 4:36pm  

also your baseline assumption is that majority of Americans are poor living in high cost areas

192   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 5:06pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

I understand why you do what you do.. but you're completely voided 7 decades of data

How does a median household income of $58K void anything I do? Half of all US households earn less than $58K/year. You don't see a problem there?

193   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 5:13pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

also your baseline assumption is that majority of Americans are poor living in high cost areas

How is that one of my assumptions?

194   missing   2017 Jan 9, 5:19pm  

Does the bright future outlook take into consideration the potential impact of climate change, or that would be anti-American?

195   Strategist   2017 Jan 9, 5:25pm  

joeyjojojunior says

How does a median household income of $58K void anything I do? Half of all US households earn less than $58K/year. You don't see a problem there?

No it's not a problem. You have the opportunity to earn more.

196   Strategist   2017 Jan 9, 5:28pm  

joeyjojojunior says

They won't refuse to buy food and gas-they just won't be able to afford it.

Have you seen how fat Americans have become? It's due to eating too much food. Less food would definitely be a plus.

197   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 9, 5:30pm  

Strategist says

Have you seen how fat Americans have become? It's due to eating too much food. Less food would definitely be a plus.

Actually healthy foods are more expensive which is part of the problem.

198   Strategist   2017 Jan 9, 5:31pm  

joeyjojojunior says

Strategist says

Have you seen how fat Americans have become? It's due to eating too much food. Less food would definitely be a plus.

Actually healthy foods are more expensive which is part of the problem.

Eat more fruits and salads. They are much cheaper than McDonald's.

199   missing   2017 Jan 9, 5:31pm  

Strategist says

You have the opportunity to earn more.

Yeah, everybody should get a PhD, MD, JD, or become a financial blogger/writer and make > $100K. Educate people, educate!

200   Strategist   2017 Jan 9, 5:33pm  

FP says

Strategist says

You have the opportunity to earn more.

Yeah, everybody should get a PhD, MD, JD, or become a financial blogger/writer and make > $100K. Educate people, educate!

Don't drop out of school. Get same training on a skill. The opportunities are endless, but some people would rather not take it.

201   _   2017 Jan 9, 5:36pm  

joeyjojojunior says

How is that one of my assumptions?

By implying that debt service cost of food and gasoline can't continue in high population areas

As a whole Americans don't make enough money to feed themselves or take transportation outside the 1%

202   _   2017 Jan 9, 5:37pm  

FP says

climate change

That is my biggest X factor in the world, my discussion of resource wars is something that happens in the next century but peaking out of population hopefully helps this issue.

Outside of aging population climate change is my biggest concern

203   missing   2017 Jan 9, 5:38pm  

Strategist says

Eat more fruits and salads.

That's right! 2000 calories/day of apples and lettuce. Takes no time to prepare either - perfect for busy parents (esp. single) parents! Added benefit - children will grow slowly so less $ for new clothes.

204   missing   2017 Jan 9, 5:39pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

FP says

climate change

That is my biggest X factor in the world, my discussion of resource wars is something that happens in the next century but peaking out of population hopefully helps this issue.

Outside of aging population climate change is my biggest concern

I somehow feel that entertaining the thought of climate change is anti-American.

205   _   2017 Jan 9, 5:40pm  

This is a terrible problem

206   _   2017 Jan 9, 5:41pm  

FP says

anti-American.

It's Anti Science ... I always put Heat Temp map charting on my facebook page to make a point.. it's getting ugly heat wise

207   Strategist   2017 Jan 9, 5:43pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

I can't believe California is on the low end.
Hey, liberal states are less obese.

208   _   2017 Jan 9, 5:44pm  

Our data is getting better with the rain recently

209   missing   2017 Jan 9, 5:45pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

It's Anti Science

Acknowledging climate change is Anti Science? That's what you are saying?

210   Strategist   2017 Jan 9, 5:47pm  

FP says

children will grow slowly so less $ for new clothes.

They will stop growing sideways for a change.

211   _   2017 Jan 9, 5:48pm  

FP says

Anti Science?

Not acknowledging it is Anti Science

My fellow Republicans have a token answer that history has had cold and hot spells ... but that kind of defeat the current data

212   missing   2017 Jan 9, 5:51pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

Not acknowledging it is Anti Science

Tough choice then - Anti-Science or Anti-American... Which one are you?

213   _   2017 Jan 9, 5:53pm  

If I am Anti American for believing in science then I would question the thesis of the original contention

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