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She was ready for that one, nicely done

So stupid. She didn't answer the question and too many people don't understand the questions. Islam isn't a nation state. THe question was how can you win against Jihadists if you don't address it ideologically. I'm not sure that question has an answer, but the question the lady answered was an entirely different question. Her answer said nothing about how to address it or fight it. She only explained why Islamists are a problem even if most of Islam is peaceful. Are we to conclude that this was an argument as to why we are at war with all of Islam ?

There's way to much stupid emotion on this issue and not nearly enough thoughtful discussion.

People get all excited about what's obvious, as if it is an answer to something. Wtf ?

A question to answer would be, how do we help the radical subset of Islam mature ? Another great question: Is condemning all of Islam or fighting all of Islam the best way to shrink the proportion of Islam that is radical ? That lady with her emotion didn't even scratch the surface of any important questions about what we or they need to do. She sounded like she was just stupidly spouting the obvious trying to justify blind hatred.

People are going to think I'm defending Islam and they're going to voice their hate and or fear, but they won't touch on the real questions.

Another good question. Are there perhaps some good tests or oaths to Allah that can be taken by immigrants that could help to flag Islamic immigrants that are potential terrorists? Perhaps other precautions? We do know that the modern secular world is both the cure of radical Islam and the enemy of radical Islam. How might this be used in our favor ? How can we pressure the Islamic countries (nation states such as Saudi Arabia) that nurture radical Islam to stop ?

And how exactly does a country founded on religious freedom, with such freedom a core tenet in its Constitution, discriminate based on religion?

Given the historical examples of the massive damage a small radical subset of any group can incur, maybe it's time to revisit discrimination and how it applies to a group given their published core beliefs.
As it applies to Islam, rewriting the Koran to reflect modern values is way past due.
As souls enter this world they are handed a blueprint as to what is expected of them.
If the blueprints are flawed, how can we expect the results not to be?

joeyjojojunior says

And how exactly does a country founded on religious freedom, with such freedom a core tent in its Constitution, discriminate based on religion?

marcus says

People are going to think I'm defending Islam

Is there any doubt?

PCGyver says

So is it 1.2 billion 1.8 billion or 1.6 billion Muslims?

Who knows? They already bred 300 million radicals, with more on the way.

joeyjojojunior says

And how exactly does a country founded on religious freedom, with such freedom a core tenet in its Constitution, discriminate based on religion?

By recognizing Islam as a terrorist organization, not a religion.

"By recognizing Islam as a terrorist organization, not a religion."

OK, so how do you go about doing that? What would be your objective criteria for refusing to acknowledge a religion?

Sharia is incompatible with the constitution and the majority of Muslims do not consider it to be radical. Tolerance of it is not the answer. I would say the religion itself needs a harsh reformation from within. How brave would those people have to be?

joeyjojojunior says

"By recognizing Islam as a terrorist organization, not a religion."

OK, so how do you go about doing that? What would be your objective criteria for refusing to acknowledge a religion?

Islam preaches hate and violence. It's sharia laws are nothing but human rights abuse. It's not what a real "God" would command. Islam cannot be a religion.
Call it what you like, but this evil ideology must be stopped, and it can only be stopped when leaders stop calling it a "Peaceful religion"

"Islam preaches hate and violence. It's sharia laws are nothing but human rights abuse. It's not what a real "God" would command. Islam cannot be a religion.
Call it what you like, but this evil ideology must be stopped, and it can only be stopped when leaders stop calling it a "Peaceful religion"

I don't disagree, but I'm asking how do you do it? Your opinion of what a "real" God would command is not going to cut it.

joeyjojojunior says

"Islam preaches hate and violence. It's sharia laws are nothing but human rights abuse. It's not what a real "God" would command. Islam cannot be a religion.

Call it what you like, but this evil ideology must be stopped, and it can only be stopped when leaders stop calling it a "Peaceful religion"

I don't disagree, but I'm asking how do you do it? Your opinion of what a "real" God would command is not going to cut it.

This is how we start. Look down on Islam. Criticize it. Mock it. Spread the facts about Islam. Make Muslims ashamed of being Muslims. Eventually they will start dumping it.

Strategist says

Is there any doubt?

That you are capable of objectively reading my comment ? Yes.

What is the total number of religious brain deads that believe in imaginary beings & places?

Although 72 virgins doesn't sound bad.
All mine would be ugly. I wear the bag.
That'll protect them too.

marcus says

Strategist says

Is there any doubt?

That you are capable of objectively reading my comment ? Yes.

Good evening Marcus. Did you have a nice day in class today?
You always stick up for this rotten religion. Bad choice.

marcus says

If anything your strategy would make moderate Muslims turn in to Islamists. Your stupid strategy is exactly what the Islamists (radical jihadists) want.

How would you get people, especially the younger generations to dump this rotten religion? Or do you think Islam, the breeding grounds of terrorists, should not be dumped.

HEY YOU says

Although 72 virgins doesn't sound bad.

All mine would be ugly.

Not if you blow up enough infidels.

marcus says

That lady with her emotion didn't even scratch the surface of any important questions about what we or they need to do.

I don't think she voiced emotions. The Muslim woman was trying to get the usual sympathy pass, and the lady just answered with facts. Any answer should start by not trying to hide the fact that there is a problem as is officially done in the US (all Muslims are not radical), and this is exactly what this lady did.

marcus says

THe question was how can you win against Jihadists if you don't address it ideologically.

This is easy really: just criticize bad ideas until reason wins.

Heraclitusstudent says

The Muslim woman was trying to get the usual sympathy pass, and the lady just answered with facts.

I guess I have to admit our education system sucks. You idiots can't even agree with me that she didn't answer the question ? You don't want to consider the billion or so non terrorist moderate Muslims that aren't going to be thinking about changing their religion just because of the ramblings of illiterate dimbulbs that can't even tell whether an answer matches up with a question ?

Heraclitusstudent says

answer should start by not trying to hide the fact that there is a problem as is officially done in the US

This is a total fucking lie. And the fascinating thing is that you Patrick and others never even respond or acknowledge understanding my point of view (which is the same as the view of others that don't want to condemn the entire religion).

If you are too stubborn to even hear a point of view or respond to it, and just go back to the emotion and lies then I really don't know what to say. You're hopeless.

marcus says

A question to answer would be, how do we help the radical subset of Islam mature ? Another great question: Is condemning all of Islam or fighting all of Islam the best way to shrink the proportion of Islam that is radical ?

marcus says

We do know that the modern secular world is both the cure of radical Islam and the enemy of radical Islam. How might this be used in our favor ? How can we pressure the Islamic countries (nation states such as Saudi Arabia) that nurture radical Islam to stop ?

marcus says

If anything your strategy would make moderate Muslims turn in to Islamists. Your stupid strategy is exactly what the Islamists (radical jihadists) want.

The repeated stupidity doesn't bother me as much as your unwillingness to hear or respond to simple reason.

By the way, another sort of unrelated question. If Islam is so inherently violent, why is there so little history of violence against westerners before about 1970. I'm not talking about holy wars from centuries ago. We've had our wars too. But if Islam is hopelessly violent, shouldn't there be a long history that can be traced back? For example what were the biggest attacks by Islamists, radical Jihadis or whatever you want to call them against westerners, Europeans or Americans between 1850 and 1950 ?

Surely if this is a deep ingrained pattern there should be plenty of evidence that they always behave this way.

OR is the radical part of Islam something that rises up from time to time ? I agree it needs to be put down. But I don't agree that war against all of Islam is the answer. I say again, that is exactly what the Islamists want. It gives them huge recruiting mojo for multiple reasons (especially what happens to Islamic countries economically if we are at war with all of Islam).

IT's almost as if where you're coming from is actually about your bloodlust and deep violent tendencies.

marcus says

So stupid. She didn't answer the question and too many people don't understand the questions. Islam isn't a nation state.

You are wrong. The Muslim woman didn't ask a question; she made a statement in the form of a question. Her statement was that terrorists attacks have nothing to do with Islam because the majority of Muslims are peaceful. This statement is incorrect as the panel member clearly explained with various examples throughout history. The panel addressed the argument the Muslim woman was actually making rather than the incidental question whose sole purpose was to make the case that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.

As for the incidental question, what can the west do to fight the ideology of Islam, the answer is quite simple. The west must first purge itself from religion and then export secular ideas and values to the middle east. This is the only way to fight Islam and all other evils of religion.

The only thing the panel speaker got wrong is using the meaningless label of extremist. The intolerant religious person is not the extreme, but the norm for religion. Throughout history, peaceful coexistence has been the extreme behavior end for religious societies.

marcus says

By the way, another sort of unrelated question. If Islam is so inherently violent, why is there so little history of violence against westerners before about 1970. I'm not talking about holy wars from centuries ago. We've had our wars too. But if Islam is hopelessly violent, shouldn't there be a long history that can be traced back? For example what were the biggest attacks by Islamists, radical Jihadis or whatever you want to call them against westerners, Europeans or Americans between 1850 and 1950 ?

Are Westerners the only people on the planet? India, Philippines, and Africa have never ending violence from Islam.

PCGyver says

So is it 1.2 billion 1.8 billion or 1.6 billion Muslims?

The rule is that every time you mention the number, it must be larger than all previous numbers, to make people shake in fear and give up all western values without a fight.

BayArea says

She didn't answer the question and too many people don't understand the questions

She answered the question to perfection and people do understand the question and the comments reflect their approval.

PCGyver says

So is it 1.2 billion 1.8 billion or 1.6 billion Muslims?

Does a million here or there really matter?

joeyjojojunior says

OK, so how do you go about doing that? What would be your objective criteria for refusing to acknowledge a religion?

One criteria, every time a car bomb goes off in the public square somewhere in the world, guess who set it off.

Islam's motto: "WE KILL YOU!"

marcus says

But I don't agree that war against all of Islam is the answer.

War is not the answer.

Free speech is the answer. But we have already lost to the degree that the western press self-censors out of fear and political correctness.

"One criteria, every time a car bomb goes off in the public square somewhere in the world, guess who set it off."

I think you're being humorous, but that's not a criteria.

rando says

marcus says

But I don't agree that war against all of Islam is the answer.

War is not the answer.

Free speech is the answer.

In the internet age, free speech cannot be suppressed forever. People will criticize Islam. Islam will become a 4 letter word. Muslims will start becoming ashamed of their religion. More and more Muslims will dump Islam.

I agree Strat, but only if the Leftists and progressives who support Islam out of multikulti idealism can first be defeated and suppressed. Then it can be open season on this regressive fascist human-rights-slaughtering world domination scheme masquerading as a religion of "peace."