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marcus says

The specious argument here has at it's core the idea that you can criticize Islam to be fatally flawed and inherently evil without causing many people to think they are justified in hating random good Muslims for the acts that Muslim terrorist commit.

Marcus, you are dreaming. Many people to think they are justified in hating random Muslims because Muslims keep attacking us.
If you want to consider human nature, start with that basic fact.

I'm not even saying that Islam is "inherently evil", but it can be shown to be fatally flawed.

marcus says

I think it's probably closer to saying that if you take a person that's not a criminal, and you call them a criminal and treat them as a criminal by not giving them a job and ostracizing them. Yeah, that would make them far more likely to become criminal.

Yeah, but what about the real criminals? Are they gonna stop being criminals if you don't call them criminals.

Rew says

I don't see us placating or giving land to terrorists anywhere. That's a pretty weird analogy.

Palestinians? Russia China India all have terrorism because Islamists think everything belongs to them.

marcus says

Strategist says

Marcus would just get frustrated and put everyone on ignore

I usually wait until you start being an asshole. But good though job being consistent with your inability to listen, understand an argument or respond to an argument with reason.

I say the same thing about you. Exactly the same.

marcus says

Heraclitusstudent says

I see us conceding a huge ideological pass to avoid any confrontation

No. We simply choose to distinguish between Islamic terrorists, and practitioners of Islam. The idea that we could change an entire religion by telling them what we think of Islam, is even more arrogant and silly than the idea that we were going to help Iraq build a modern secular country after taking out Saddam.

We did it with Christianity. Why not Islam?

Heraclitusstudent says

I'm not even saying that Islam is "inherently evil", but it can be shown to be fatally flawed.

Islam is inherently evil.

Rew says

Oops! Darn those radical Christians abducting people!

Sorry, Rew. There are only a few hundred LRA members at best - there used to be 10,000 or more when they got Muslim Money from the Sudan via Saudi Arabia (to terrorize South Sudan, ironically mostly Christian themselves).

Islamic Terror is widespread, and even if LRA IS a "Christian" Group - and I would characterize it mostly as a Ethnic Insurgency taken over by a Charismatic - it's the exception that proves the rule.

Number of Terrorist Attacks in the World (2015-2016) U Chicago.

http://cpostdata.uchicago.edu/search_new.php?clear=1

Interestingly, Population of Islam by State.

Finally, is Suicide Bombing acceptable?

Note the net column does not report "Rarely" as part of the sum. Also, WTF is "Rarely"? People can creatively interpret that in their mind to mean "If India does not acknowledge Islam as Supreme" or "If they continue to insult the Prophet."

How do you think self-identifying Christians polled in the US, Australia, Ireland, Poland, etc. would answer this one?

T L Lipsovich says

Note the net column does not report "Rarely" as part of the sum. Also, WTF is "Rarely"?

It means a "Yes"

T L Lipsovich says

Look closely at the map. More Muslims is directly proportional to more terrorism.

T L Lipsovich says

The interesting point is that most victims of Islam are in fact Muslims.
In particular with regard to the conflict Sunny shiits.

People who defend Islam are anti-Muslims.