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Hell, he should get the National Medal of Honor for his service in protecting our Constitutional rights from government that was getting out of control.

I can't believe i am the only Patnetter who thinks Snowden is a traitor, and should be shot.
Sick sick sick.

Traitor? For exposing blatant violations of the Constitution?

How do you figure?

rando says

Traitor? For exposing blatant violations of the Constitution?

How do you figure?

He exposed secrets to the world, including the Jihadists on our operations. That undermined our safety.
Obama is not the type of guy to blatantly violate the Constitution. He has his bad points, but he is very intelligent, and a constitutional scholar.

I don't see how he compromised our safety. As if the jihadists did not expect that we'd be spying on their phone calls.

And it sure does seem like a blatant violation of unreasonable search to scan absolutely everyone's phone records without their permission.

Even if Strategist can point to a single, credible, provable incident as to how Snowden jeopardized an American Life (he can't, but let us assume so for hypothetical purposes):

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

The constitution and the INHERENT RIGHTS IT ACKNOWLEDGES (it acknowledges inalienable rights'not granted like some driver's license by the government, or fishing or hunting permit, but inherent and attached to persons at birth as ascribed by the Signers of the Constitution/Bill of Rights - and Declaration of Independence, as well) is not some either/or proposition, nor bargaining chip between U.S. Citizens and the state. It's not a fluid negotiation.

Snowden revealed GROSS VIOLATIONS OF FUNDAMENTAL, CONCRETE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (research Project Prism).

He's a hero.

Strategist's position is that of the tyrannical, unlimited state, which wishes to ignore the constitution.

rando says

I don't see how he compromised our safety. As if the jihadists did not expect that we'd be spying on their phone calls.

And it sure does seem like a blatant violation of unreasonable search to scan absolutely everyone's phone records without their permission.

freespeechforever says

Even if Strategist can point to a single, credible, provable incident as to how Snowden jeopardized an American Life (he can't, but let us assume so for hypothetical purposes):

OK, let me get back to you two with some facts on why he is is traitor. I will prove you wrong. Tomorrow AM.
Right now i am enjoying my one week of being a bachelor. I will join her on our trip this Sunday.

I agree with P and FSF, although I respect Strat's concerns. At the end of the day, either we maintain our rights fairly (maybe not perfectly, but fairly) absolutely, or we gradually lose them through bit-by-bit surrender. One need only study the suspension of habeus corpus during the Civil War, or the Palmer war on Civil Liberties during the "Red Raids" to see how this works. The government can and always will come up with justifications couched in constitutional infringements to expand its power and the delimit the rights of the People.

For they're shippin' Bolshe Viki, you can hear the engines purr,
They are weighin' of the anchor, an' the decks are all astir,
They've pinned a number on him an' they've branded him a cur,
An' they're shippin' Bolshe Viki in the mornin'!

http://www.crf-usa.org/america-responds-to-terrorism/the-palmer-red-raids.html