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Well I think you are ahead. A man should first have the choice to not pay child support if the child is proven by DNA to not be his. In several states, a man has to pay child support under threat of jail-even if it was proven that the child was not his!!

Yes, that one should come first, because it is even more unfair to men.

One more proposal: mandatory paternity testing at birth, so that there is absolutely no doubt about whose child it is.

Added link to this page on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5oxcgn/mens_choice_movement/ so here's a link back to them.

rando says

A man should have the choice to refuse to pay all child support if he did not explicitly ask for and want the woman to have the child.

So the child should live in poverty, or somebody else should pay for it?

lostand confused says

A man should first have the choice to not pay child support if the child is proven by DNA to not be his.

This I agree with.

rando says

mandatory paternity testing at birth

This too.

FP says

So the child should live in poverty, or somebody else should pay for it?

Women should not give birth to children that the man does not want. If the man says no, it's still her choice: child with poverty, or no child.

If she's religious and feels she cannot have an abortion, then she probably wouldn't be pregnant to begin with. And if it happened, well, the traditional solution was adoption.

Ironman says

How about taking responsibility to use birth control, so the baby part doesn't even happen in the first place????

Woman are assumed to have zero agency of their own.

A man should have the choice to smoke some grass if he so chooses, but you nitwits sat there all complacent because you thought the unAmerican laws were just for the blacks.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/health/rate-of-us-abortions-hits-lowest-since-roe-v-wade.amp.html?client=safari

While I do not like the idea of a child growing up in poverty, and would not allow this for any child of mine. But, there is no reason a woman can make this decision and it is immoral for a man to make the same decision. He is not the only one who can choose to use birth control. BTW, I would expect a rapist (legally proven in court) to pay for the child's upbringing.

Patrick says

If she has the right to refuse responsibility for the baby, he should also have the right to refuse responsibility for the baby.

Absolutely, and for the exact same reasons.

And women should consider whether or not the man is going to accept being a father when deciding if to become a mother. A child is a responsibility, not an accessory.

Ironman says

Patrick says

If she has the right to refuse responsibility for the baby, he should also have the right to refuse responsibility for the baby.

How about taking responsibility to use birth control, so the baby part doesn't even happen in the first place????

Sometimes it's a trap. She wants the kid and the money. Our even just the money.

This trap catches rich men all the time.