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Heraclitusstudent says

No in fact they think they experience it, which is a stronger statement because no one can tell you that you are not experiencing what you are in fact experiencing.

I can be certainly correct in stating that a person isn't experiencing what he thinks he's experience. If a person believes the government is using secret microwaves to control people's brains and that tin foil hat protects him, I can be quite confident that the person is not experiencing the government mind-control attempts he thinks he is.

Heraclitusstudent says

If "ass boogers" doesn't exist, then what is it they experience?

A delusion that they inflict upon themselves.

P N Dr Lo R says

When did you become a believer?

I haven't. I can still use expressions of speech.

Dan8267 says

Heraclitusstudent says

Dan8267 says

You have attempted to make the case that what you call layers create free will, and since free will violates the laws of nature, your layers would have to . That is why your argument is wrong.

here.

Honey, that statement doesn't imply that I am saying you said consciousness is non-deterministic. God, do I have to talk in terms of see Dick, see Jane?

Yes this statement implies that I tried to make the case that adding the notion the layers could somehow create freewill passing YOUR definition.
You can't even conceive that I try to make an argument for something different than YOUR definition.

Dan8267 says

Heraclitusstudent says

If "ass boogers" doesn't exist, then what is it they experience?

A delusion that they inflict upon themselves.

So you use their definition, and insist this is the right definition, while claiming they are deluded about what they are talking about.

Nice trick.

Heraclitusstudent says

Yes this statement implies that I tried to make the case that adding the notion the layers could somehow create freewill passing YOUR definition.

No it doesn't. And making that assertion doesn't make it true.

Heraclitusstudent says

So you use their definition, and insist this is the right definition, while claiming they are deluded about what they are talking about.

Dan8267 says

Heraclitusstudent says

We can debate endlessly on which definition is the right one.

The question is meaningless. There is no such thing as a right definition or a wrong definition. It's the meaning of statements that are either true or false.

You should stop repeating yourself. If you want to open a thread discussing the affects of consciousness on decision making, then do so. This thread is about the concept of free will as shown in the video of the original post. You are simply off topic.

Dan8267 says

If you want to open a thread discussing the affects of consciousness on decision making, then do so. This thread is about the concept of free will as shown in the video of the original post. You are simply off topic.

In other words "Anything outside my preconceived beliefs is simply off-topic and I don't want to discuss with you. ". "But I believe in truth. ".

Dan8267 says

You are simply off topic.

Well you're the one who started it, I expect they got bored.

Heraclitusstudent says

Dan8267 says

If you want to open a thread discussing the affects of consciousness on decision making, then do so. This thread is about the concept of free will as shown in the video of the original post. You are simply off topic.

In other words "Anything outside my preconceived beliefs is simply off-topic and I don't want to discuss with you. ". "But I believe in truth. ".

Bullshit. You are not even debating sincerely. The topic of this thread is clear. You are simply trying to play a game of bait and switch and I'm not falling for it. If you have nothing else to add the conversation, then simply stay silent.

Dan8267 says

Anything outside my preconceived beliefs

What he really means is anything, anything to keep it going...