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T L Lipsovich says

Not true. It's a form of deception.

So where is the huge number of refugees who have attacked domestic US citizens in mainland US? I don't think you listed one that met that criteria? Right?

Blurtman says

No, I am stating that with regards to the Muslim majority Iran, it favored non-Muslims only.

That is what you are saying, which is incorrect, as the act in total also favored other minority religions, from other areas of the world. Correct?
Therefore it wasn't a general bias against Muslims. Correct?

Rew says

That is what you are saying

Ferguson's stated objection was that the persecuted religious minorities paragraph in the EO violated the constitution as it favored refugees based upon religion. By that measure, he should also object to the Lautenberg amendment, as with regards to Muslim majority Iran, it does the same. With regards to Iran, the amendment does not favor Muslim refugees as it specifically favors non-Muslims.

The amendment was originally designed to favor Russian Jews from the former Soviet Union, (using Ferguson's language), which I suppose should also be objectionable to Ferguson if he were an honest person, which he apparently is not.

Quigley says

Dan8267 says

But hey, prove me wrong. Show me that in the past few days every fucking conservative on the right has put away all their batshit crazy beliefs like

Isn't this a bit unfair? Asking for every single conservatives to change their minds in a few days, while allowing that 10% of the Leftists are batshit insane violence instigators and that's just gonna be that way?

That's not what I said.

The statement I made implies that as of a few days ago, rightist conservatives were still 100% endorsing all the batshit crazy ideas that they have been for the past 40 years. So unless that has suddenly changed, which is unbelievable as you have just agreed, then the rightist conservatives are still 100% batshit crazy.

In any case, the moral of this story is that conservatives are fucking worthless whether they are on the left or the right of this stupid, one-dimensional political worldview. Conservatism is bad regardless of the arbitrary cultural preferences of a given tribe. We should all be liberals.

Rew says

So where is the huge number of refugees who have attacked domestic US citizens in mainland US? I don't think you listed one that met that criteria? Right?

Rew, I try explaining this again. When reporting the "No Refugees", the media discounts anybody whose citizenship process began as a Refugee/Asylee. So if somebody came to the country under a refugee/asylee program and then after they got citizenship or permanent residence killed somebody, it's half-truthed - because it's technically true - that they weren't a refugee/asylee.

The two Iraqis living in Bowling Green were former IED bombers trying to kill American troops and for all we know succeeded. Their fingerprints were on bomb and remote detonation devices. This was only found AFTER they received beaucoup taxpayer settlement money to live in Kentucky as refugees

AFAIK, The aftermath of this would have been the first time Obama banned entry, and I believe he did so again in 2015.

Trump is being called Hitler (well, yet again, he's been called Hitler for a year) because he's "Pausing" Iraqi entry just like Obama did.

T L Lipsovich says

Rew says

When the president says he will ban immigration from Muslim nations, and then pens a bill dealing with immigration from predominantly muslim countries, how else are we/the courts to interpret him?

Trump is banning immigration from all Muslim nations? Or mostly those with ongoing sectarian violence and disorder that makes vetting impossible due to conditions on the ground? The sole exception being a wholly ho-hum 'signal' about Iran's Ballistic Missile tests?

Why did Trump leave us open to attacks from Public Enemy #1, Saudi Arabia?

All Islamic terrorism, it's organization and funding, comes from Saudi Arabia. Have you ever heard of 9/11?

errc says

Why did Trump leave us open to attacks from Public Enemy #1, Saudi Arabia?

All Islamic terrorism, it's organization and funding, comes from Saudi Arabia. Have you ever heard of 9/11?

Yeah, why did OBAMA reinstate the Visa Express Program, and further allow Saudi Students to participate in an express program for students that even France and Germany aren't part of?

Why didn't Obama stand up to Saudi Terror?

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-approves-saudis-for-trusted-travelers-program/

And why did TLL Lips vote for someone who is the same or worse than Obama?

Obama isn't President, Trump is. Very telling that you are unable to answer the question

Pausing immigration of people who mostly hate America is EXACTLY THE SAME as rounding up Jews and gassing them to death by the millions!
HEIL TRUMPLER!

joeyjojojunior says

And why did TLL Lips vote for someone who is the same or worse than Obama?

errc says

Obama isn't President, Trump is. Very telling that you are unable to answer the question

Your guy expanded Saudi Access to the US without an interview in Saudi Arabia, yet you're complaining my guy has taken no action yet - but did announce there would be extreme vetting coming soon, after the pause allows a big revamp.

You don't think between repealing Obamney Corporate Care, the Sectarian Violence Pause, the Wall, Rampant Political Violence by the Left, etc in the past two weeks doesn't have enough to deal with that he should start something with Saudi Arabia, who has tons of Congressmen on their payroll?

Besides, the whole thing is disingenuous; if Trump included Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the rage against the Ban by Neoliberals would be doubled.

Omitting the country that is the source of all Islamic terrorism renders the actions wholly ineffective. Unless you are saying that Trump is ignorant to this fact

My guy LOL

Quigley says

Pausing immigration of people who mostly hate America is EXACTLY THE SAME as rounding up Jews and gassing them to death by the millions!

What's funny is that if the Neoliberals get their way, they'll entirely remove the ability of the US Government to ban entry by the nation they come from. Why?

"National Origin" is part of the Amendment that bans discrimination. So if we ban North Koreans: "Your Honor, this is national origin discrimination. Like Hitler! The Government can't refuse entry by nationality. Or religion. Or race. Or Sex. Everybody has the right to enter the US and the Government can't stop it!"

If the injunction pushers get their way, you couldn't ban Germans while admitting Dissident Lutheran Pastors, JWs, and Jews from Nazi Germany. That would be prejudice on Religion!

errc says

Omitting the country that is the source of all Islamic terrorism renders the actions wholly ineffective. Unless you are saying that Trump is ignorant to this fact

Why did Obama expand their access to US entry, then?

"You don't think between repealing Obamney Corporate Care, the Sectarian Violence Pause, the Wall, Rampant Political Violence by the Left, etc in the past two weeks doesn't have enough to deal with that he should start something with Saudi Arabia, who has tons of Congressmen on their payroll?"

That might be it. Or it might be that he doesn't want to hurt the value of his properties.

I just hoped that Trump cared more about US citizens and security than he did about his wealth. And who cares what neoliberals think? I'm talking about Trump saying he wants to improve US security but not actually including any of the countries where terrorists who target the US actually come from.

Why did Obama expand their access to US entry, then

I wanted Trump to fix Obamas mistakes, not double down on them.

Do you plan on using the "Its Bush's Fault" defense for Trumps entire term?

T L Lipsovich says

Why didn't Obama stand up to Saudi Terror?

This was not on CNN much, which did not give the Odemos a chance to Emot, and like the research says, Odemos use emotion over logic, so that the media implicitly controls the group(think) rage.

The MRI paper on Dems vs. Reps has answered a lot of questions I have built up over 50 years of trying to determine different mindsets.

Dems - I pray, please use logic when warranted, and emotion when you feel sensitive, (but please fire up your neurons in your reasoning/logic center and run the data through there!)

From the perspective of an atheist who has patiently put up with all of the Christian bullshit around here, there's at least some pleasure watching them have to put up with other religions.

OTOH, from the lips of Trump. “We got a lot of killers. What, you think our country’s so innocent?”

By the way, if you think I'm nuts about the injunction pushers trying to ban the parens patriae power of Government:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/trump-travel-ban-legal/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html

That's right, the US may be the first country in the history world where the multi kult bans the ability of a Government to refuse entry to foreigners based on the national origin discrimination against the individual applicants. Unbelievable! Super Extremist.

"It's not a neoliberal plot". Oh?

https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-presidential-ban-immigration-certain-countries-illegal

This seems to hand unequivocal authority to the executive branch to determine who it may admit to the United States. However, another section of the law clearly bans discrimination against certain classes. Section 202(a)(1)(A) of the INA states that except in cases specified by Congress in section 101(a)(27):

…no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.

While section 212 grants the president a general power to exclude certain immigrants, section 202 limits this power. Note that this section does not prevent discrimination based on religious affiliation, political belief, or ideology, but Trump’s new policy would run afoul of at least one if not all three of those last three restrictions—nationality, place of birth, or place of residence—depending on how it was applied. “Place” of birth is actually a broader restriction than nationality, meaning that even if Trump’s ban applied to subnational or regional levels, it would still be illegal.

Holy shit, if a Court finds this valid a President won't even be able to ban foreign nationals who came from a particularly troubled province of another state, like Eastern Syria where ISIS rules.

Unprecedented tearing away of an ancient and frequently used tool of Diplomacy and Security and the concept of a Nation State. Neoliberal Globalist Extremism.