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Dan8267 says

All commercial air travel should immediately cease until the government can find a way to guarantee safety without committing sexual assault. I guarantee you that the "security experts" will find a non-invasive alternative within an hour rather than causing massive economic disruption. This is all security theater and does nothing to make you safer.

The Islamists have not stopped targeting us. We will not sacrifice our safety.

Strategist says

The Islamists have not stopped targeting us. We will not sacrifice our safety.

You've done exactly that. It's not the Islamists who are sexually assaulting your daughter. It's the TSA. You are not safe from the TSA. You have completely giving up your safety.

The smart jihadist would just get a job with the TSA and terrorize people with impunity.

Strategist says

The Islamists have not stopped targeting us. We will not sacrifice our safety.

Agree. Unfortunate.

The difference being you will not die from a tsa patdown...
Dan8267 says

Strategist says

The Islamists have not stopped targeting us. We will not sacrifice our safety.

You've done exactly that.

Only fools believe that security theater will make them safer.

The TSA Isn’t Keeping Us Safe, Says Inspector General Report
The TSA has never kept you safe: here’s why
TSA rituals don't make us safer
11 Reasons the TSA is NOT Making Us Safer

I could go on and on. The fact is that the TSA misses 95% of mock concealed weapons in every test actually done. But I'm sure that $25k/yr horny guy whose last job was at McDonald's is going to make you so much safer by rubbing your daughter's pussy with his hand.

I guess conservatives don't mind strange men copping feels of their daughters, at least not until the TSA starts hiring transgenders. Oh, and that's coming. You can count on that.

Dan8267 says

You have completely giving up your safety.

So now you are a security expert too.

You always were an expert on:
Crime
Safety
Economics
And now "Airline Safety"

Macropodia says

If u don't like it take the train.

No law saying you have to fly

If we had clean efficient high-speed rail service, I totally would. It's much better to leave and arrive from the center of town than from an airport.

rando says

Macropodia says

If u don't like it take the train.


No law saying you have to fly

No law says you have to use currency either, but try not doing so.

Some things are practical necessities in modern life. The public has a right to demand that such necessities do not harm the public unnecessarily. So yes, grievances against practices by the government, monopolies, and oligopolies are valid.

Some monopolies are necessary. Even a large city can support one, maybe two airports, at most. So yes, the public should be able to impose political pressure on having that infrastructure run safely, efficiently, and without violating human rights, or creating an undue economic burden on the public or individuals.

Dan8267 says

The smart jihadist would just get a job with the TSA and terrorize people with impunity.

I understand the Orlando gay nightclub shooter had a job with a branch of Homeland Security. Talk about paying the fox to guard the chickens! Only in Obama's America...

Also in Bush's and Trump's America.

Quigley says

I understand the Orlando gay nightclub shooter had a job with a branch of Homeland Security.

Actually that is not true. He worked for a security company that won some contracts from Dept of State and Dept of Homeland Security.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/629828/orlando-shooter-worked-major-homeland-security-contractor

Dan8267 says

I guarantee you that the "security experts" will find a non-invasive alternative within an hour rather than causing massive economic disruption.

rando says

It's much better to leave and arrive from the center of town than from an airport.

Really? Why? Generally speaking, parking is much better at the airport than the center of town.

The center of town is where things are going on, as a rule. Except for cities with too much "vibrant diversity" downtown.

Airports are in hideously ugly strip-mall land where no living pedestrians are anywhere to be seen. It's all sadness and slow death.

I like how the news expect the people that have never flown before to be outraged every time they report a Muslim that was inconvenienced by the Airport boarding protocol. Because Bush was such a globalist Shit suck, he didn't want to hurt the Muslims feelings, so he set up the TSA to pretty much pester and harass everyone.
You whining, pissing and moaning about your terrible treatment of the assholes at the airport screening process. Is music to my ears, how do think we feel?

zzyzzx says

How do i get on this flight? I don't care where it's going.

Dan8267 says

All the assholes bitching about transgenders using the wrong bathroom

Those people want to be molested. They just don't want to admit it, so they make it a requirement 'for safety' .

rando says

The center of town is where things are going on

At airports you are penned in with people in transit. Flying out of Seattle, I am convinced people are flying high. On a recent flight, a tattooed row mate seemed to be on something, rocking his body, making repetitive motions with the tray, and repeating phrases to himself. He was very polite, was able to speak, and ordered a few bourbons, anxiously looking around for the attendant when he needed another. Maybe he had PTSD.

Strategist says

So now you are a security expert too.

Well, if common sense and listening to the plethora of evidence done by experts makes one an expert, then yes. It's amazing how much knowledge one can gain by reading.

P.S. It's utter hypocrisy for someone advocating these policies with zero evidence to back up his claims to bitch and moan about the expertise of someone opposing those policies with actual evidence.

What you fantasize you'll be sitting next to.
zzyzzx says

Reality

Still want naked airline passengers?

Dan8267 says

All commercial air travel should immediately cease until the government can find a way to guarantee safety without committing sexual assault.

No one can guarantee safety, that's always a false promise used to get people to trade freedoms. And the track record for good safety ideas has already been cemented with the airlines themselves, and the passengers. Funny how the people most vested in taking a trip are also it's biggest security assets.

Just get your official government anti-rape papers to avoid all the ogling and fondling. With my Sentri card, and it's built in RFID, I can travel molestation free anywhere I want to go.

NuttBoxer says

Just get your official government anti-rape papers to avoid all the ogling and fondling. With my Sentri card, and it's built in RFID, I can travel molestation free anywhere I want to go.

The government should not be allowed to charge for not raping. All people should go through the same process regardless of how rich they are.

Dan8267 says

The government should not be allowed to charge for not raping.

The charge is for 24/hr tracking. The not-raping is a fringe benefit.

NuttBoxer says

The charge is for 24/hr tracking. The not-raping is a fringe benefit.

That's not a service the government is providing to the citizen, but rather a service the citizen is providing to the government. If anything, the citizen should be paid for everything he's giving to the government.

Without the government there are no citizens.
Dan8267 says

NuttBoxer says

The charge is for 24/hr tracking. The not-raping is a fringe benefit.

If anything, the citizen should be paid for everything he's giving to the government.

Dan8267 says

That's not a service the government is providing to the citizen, but rather a service the citizen is providing to the government.

In other words, every government program in existence...

Dan8267 says

If anything, the citizen should be paid for everything he's giving to the government.

Yet who pays taxes?

NuttBoxer says

Yet who pays taxes?

There's a big difference between social services and infrastructure being paid for by the public and the government favoring rich people with a different set of rules. You should not be allowed to buy government privileges.

Dan8267 says

If anything, the citizen should be paid for everything he's giving to the government.

Yup. Money grows on trees.

Dan8267 says

There's a big difference between social services and infrastructure being paid for by the public

How much of that budget actually goes toward the people who need it? I can tell you from experience(wife is a social worker), that contracts are met by pushing papers around, not by actually helping people. Ever heard the phrase "government boondoggle"?

Dan8267 says

You should not be allowed to buy government privileges.

Sentri passes are like $80 for five years, WTF are you talking about?

If tyranny is so wonderful, why do people try to escape North Korea?

tn2 says

If tyranny is so wonderful, why do people try to escape North Korea?

That's where Dan and Jazz should go. They will feel quite at home there.

Actually, the world Strategist wants is like North Korea, a place where authoritarianism is absolute. What I want for the United States is the exact opposite of what North Korea is. I want a nation where all persons are equal under law with the exact same rights and no privileges for anyone, a society where we all obey the exact same laws, no exceptions. Strategists wants a class society with different laws for different people. He wants America to be North Korea.

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.

Actually, the world Strategist wants is like North Korea, a place where authoritarianism is absolute. What I want for the United States is the exact opposite of what North Korea is. I want a nation where all persons are equal under law with the exact same rights and no privileges for anyone, a society where we all obey the exact same laws, no exceptions.

Love your country, but never trust your government.

The land that you hate.

If tyranny is so wonderful, why do people try to escape North Korea?