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The Democrats are in some serious deep shit, their insolent behavior is sickening to most Americans. The Democrats are in a clueless bubble of petty vindictive spitefulness and it shows in every little thing they do.

Tenpoundbass says

The Democrats are in some serious deep shit, their insolent behavior is sickening to most Americans. The Democrats are in a clueless bubble of petty vindictive spitefulness and it shows in every little thing they do.

Excellent take away from the OPs linked article.

Incredible insight man ! On point, as the kids say !

Trump will not self defeat. 2016 showed us this. There is no conspiracy theory too crazy. 30+% of Americans will soon REALLY BELIEVE Obama wiretapped him. Its f******* insane, but that's the country we live in now.

Eventually, "the deep state" ... aka ... a coalition of the sane, will oust him.

Really Rew? You need an Aluminum foil hat if you believe Obama was Honest, on the up and up about everything, and He likes America.
He fucking hated us, perhaps less than his wife, and you wanna know something, they hated you the most, Miley told me.

Tenpoundbass says

He fucking hated us...

Sure, sure. Perhaps you'd like to explain your reasoning.

Nope, the Media trapped itself.

"Inside sources deep in the inteliigence community tell us that according to wiretapped conversations..."
"Uh, what wiretaps? There aren't any wiretaps. There is no Deep State!"

LOL

he country’s chief law enforcement officer made a false statement to Congress, while under oath

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The Law and Order administration that Shariamericans lust for in their demands for Authoritarianism

Freedom is under duress

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Nope, the Media trapped itself.

"Inside sources deep in the inteliigence community tell us that according to wiretapped conversations..."

"Uh, what wiretaps? There aren't any wiretaps. There is no Deep State!"

LOL

So you keep saying, except a court ordered wiretap on Russian banking isn't the 'media trapping itself.' That and Trump claiming Obama ordered an illegal wiretap on him are two entirely different things.

Rashomon says

So you keep saying, except a court ordered wiretap on Russian banking isn't the 'media trapping itself.' That and Trump claiming Obama ordered an illegal wiretap on him are two entirely different things.

I'm referring to the media insisting there were no wiretaps and no deep state, when just in the past weeks they ran articles based on Officials and esp. IC members reporting on wiretapped data.

Can't have cake and eat it too. Either there are the wiretaps that were the basis for Media Stories, or there weren't wiretaps.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

I'm referring to the media insisting there were no wiretaps and no deep state, when just in the past weeks they ran articles based on Officials and esp. IC members reporting on wiretapped data.

Can't have cake and eat it too. Either there are the wiretaps that were the basis for Media Stories, or there weren't wiretaps.

When did they insist that? They've been reporting denials of Trump's claims. That, for the nth time, is not the same as the reported FISA ordered wiretap (against Russian banks), something that has been mentioned a number of times in the past by the media - the BBC back in January for example.

Again, can't run stories based on wiretap claims (after and beyond the Towers claim) from unprovenced IC sources, and then insist there is no wiretapping, hinting that Trump is paranoid.

Rashomon says

That and Trump claiming Obama ordered an illegal wiretap on him are two entirely different things.

He can always backtrack and say he meant his Aides....hardly a big deal from a political standpoint ....doubt it is the biggest lie or exaggeration he ever told

But seriously, is it THAT much of a stretch to believe that if his aides were wiretapped, as reported by nytimes that trump himself was wiretapped?

Rew says

There is no conspiracy theory too crazy. 30+% of Americans will soon REALLY BELIEVE Obama wiretapped him. Its f******* insane, but that's the country we live in now.

Nope. The media reported on this long ago and repeated the claim across the board when they were hoping to knock him out as a candidate. Now it wants to deny it ever happened or they ever said anything, calling him paranoid.

Sadly for them, we don't need a trip to the microfiche records at the Public Library to check their historical claims against their revisionism.

If Trump doesn't like being wiretapped, maybe he should do something about it. Like disband all his domestic spying agencies he is the boss of that wiretap you and I, to keep us safe lol

Trumpkins demand we give up just a little more Liberty, in the name of Safety. FAKE NEWS!

They don't exist to keep YOU safe, they exist to protect themselves and maintain their own power.

Attorney General Lynch must have signed both FISA requests.

And one was rejected as over-broad. How many FISA requests are refused? 0.02%.

If anybody thinks that the President wasn't informed that a wiretap was being requested by the DOJ (who files the requests) in the middle of a campaign season against a lead candidate, I want a puff of what they're smoking.

This is Shakashvilli or 70s Greek Government levels of abuse.

MMR says

He can always backtrack and say he meant his Aides....hardly a big deal from a political standpoint ....doubt it is the biggest lie or exaggeration he ever told

But seriously, is it THAT much of a stretch to believe that if his aides were wiretapped, as reported by nytimes that trump himself was wiretapped?

Do people not actually read what is being reported? They are saying that FISA ordered a wiretap on Russian financial institutions, NOT Trump and NOT his aides. If they get caught on those wiretaps, then that is a serious issue for them, but it doesn't mean there was a court order given to wiretap them, does it?

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Attorney General Lynch must have signed both FISA requests.

And one was rejected as over-broad. How many FISA requests are refused? 0.02%.

If anybody thinks that the President wasn't informed that a wiretap was being requested by the DOJ (who files the requests) in the middle of a campaign season against a lead candidate, I want a puff of what they're smoking.

This is Shakashvilli or 70s Greek Government levels of abuse.

You keep repeating the same thing as if the problems with what you are saying will suddenly go away. Again, it is irrelevant whether Obama was informed or not (you would hope that he was). This is NOT what Trump claimed, which seems to be getting lost in a certain groups attempt to deflect what was actually said and seemingly to negate what the FISA wiretap may have found. After all, weren't a number of you Trump supporters shouting about how the Russia allegations were all fake news. Well, what if they weren't?

Rashomon says

Again, it is irrelevant whether Obama was informed or not (you would hope that he was).

You serious? That means he approved a wiretap on a political candidate.

Rashomon says

seemingly to negate what the FISA wiretap may have founded

Nothing, as the NYT itself admits, just before the highlighted section below. Which of course the #MSM isn't interested in repeating, because the Russia-Trump narrative is the only one that's generated even a whiff of steam.

Again, the media has been running stories of wiretaps from Insiders for months now, not just from earlier last year but also around the transition era to his first days in office. Now it's trying to downplay any and all wiretapping ever took place at any time, when it's the basis for smear attempt story after smear attempt story.

Time for Trump to go Full Obama with the Whistleblower Act.

Create fake connections with Trump and Russia (you can watch the process to cook shit up via the Podesta and DNC emails)

The Media runs with it due to "High Level" tips (the same Podesta peeps and allies and DNC officials who concocted the story).

WH now has a covering excuse of allegations in the Press to tap Trump Aides, asks FISA court to spy on Political opponent on these grounds.

Lynch personally signs off on FISA requests, Obama certainly informed of plan to wiretap Trump Tower/Trump Aides.

Unelectable Candidate wins anyway. Media continues with wiretap content allegations from IC "Sources" after he wins.

Trump Tweet makes MSM call him paranoid. Then Media realizes that Trump won, and that they really have been voiciferous about Wiretaps and there's no way they can 404 that trail. Begins thinking of political and criminal response. Some of these 'insiders' must be pissing themselves in fear.

Obama set the precedence for full on prosecution of "Whistleblowers". Time for Trump to go Full Obama on Good for Gander grounds.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

You serious? That means he approved a wiretap on a political candidate.

Eh? The wiretap was approved by FISC and was for Russian financial institutions. Are they supposed to ignore evidence that there was interference?

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Nothing, as the NYT itself admits, just before the highlighted section below. Which of course the #MSM isn't interested in repeating, because the Russia-Trump narrative is the only one that's generated even a whiff of steam.

Do you have a point beyond seemingly being outraged by Obama (potentially) being informed about an investigation into a very serious issue? Amazing.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Again, the media has been running stories of wiretaps from Insiders for months now, not just from earlier last year but also around the transition era to his first days in office. Now it's trying to downplay any and all wiretapping ever took place at any time, when it's the basis for smear attempt story after smear attempt story.

No, they aren't. They're been reporting about wiretaps and they're continuing to report about wiretaps. It just happens that it has become clearer what those might actually refer to.

I want a puff of what they're smoking.

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But then you run the risk of Trumps top Law and Order guy, Jeff Sharia Sessions, to kick down your door and shoot you in the face. And seize all your possessions and worth.

On the bright side maybe you hate your neighbor, and maybe they accidentally knock down his door and maime him first.

WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.

Between Russian officials and Trump associates, the Times says.

Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.

Carter Page, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. This really is like Watergate, go after the surrogates. This isn't about Russian banks, this is about looking for smears on surrogates. The Fake News of Russia-Trump Aide connections planted by the DNC and Podesta was the stalking horse needed to get a FISA order.

No way Obama didn't know.

Time for some hearings with subpoena power.

It would be great if the Grand Inquisitor of Whistleblowers was hoisted on his own Petard.

So let me get this straight, you somehow think that potential Russian collusion in the electoral process wouldn't involve the side they were supposedly working for, and that such an investigation wouldn't potentially lead to individuals involved in the campaign? You don't? So how is this an issue? They're investigating a major issue. Investigations lead from one place to another.
And the reports say those people weren't wiretapped and that Obama did NOT authorize (illegal) wiretaps against Trump and his aides, directly contradicting the claims made by Trump.

Rashomon says

So let me get this straight, you somehow think that potential Russian collusion in the electoral process somehow wouldn't involve the side they were working for, and that such an investigation wouldn't potentially lead to individuals involved in the campaign? So how is this an issue? They're investigating a major issue.

Dude, what are you talking about?

There was no Russian interference in this election, other than a few colorful stories on RT and Sputnik, just like Der Spiegel and the BBC were pulling for Hitlery.

There was no issue, nothing juicy was found (the real point was to find something- ANYTHING- tying a Trump Aide to a recent Russian deal of any kind that could be construed as a payoff, but the dead horse continues to be beaten because it's the sole issue that has any kind of staying power.

Roger Stone didn't even get a Seersucker Suit or a Telynashka for his wardrobe from Russia

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Dude, what are you talking about?

There was no Russian interference in this election, other than a few colorful stories on RT and Sputnik, just like Der Spiegel and the BBC were pulling for Hitlery.

There was no issue, nothing juicy was found (the real point was to find something- ANYTHING- tying a Trump Aide to a recent Russian deal of any kind that could be construed as a payoff), but the dead horse continues to be beaten because it's the sole issue that has any kind of staying power.

I'm glad that you are cognizant of all the details of the investigation. Didn't this all stem from the hacking - something that law enforcement agencies have stated originated from Russian intelligence. That was pretty juicy, don't you think?

Rashomon says

I'm glad that you are cognizant of all the details of the investigation. Didn't this all stem from the hacking - something that law enforcement agencies have stated originated from Russian intelligence. That was pretty juicy, don't you think?

Nope. When is the DNC going to hand over it's servers to the Government counter-intel professionals at the FBI for forensics?

I guess they 'somehow' know the whole thing is BS. Since they invented it as a political smear.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Nope. When is the DNC going to hand over it's servers to the Government counter-intel professionals at the FBI for forensics?

I guess they 'somehow' know the whole thing is BS. Since they invented it as a political smear.

It's very impressive that someone sitting at home with zero access to the actual details of the hacking knows more than the law enforcement agencies who investigated it.

Rashomon says

It's very impressive that someone sitting at home with zero access to the actual details of the hacking knows more than the law enforcement agencies who investigated it.

Oh great,what EVIDENCE (not opinion) do they have it was Russian Hackers?

PCGyver says

This article

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html

Here is an archived copy from Jan 20th, 2017.
http://archive.is/1Zie5

Here is your foreign agent who boosted Trump's campaign and interfered with the American Election Process

PCGyver says

Nigel Farage is a Russian agent?

FOREIGN agent.