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PeopleUnited says

You can't stop talking about toilet signs and even your online handle refers to an unusual bowel movement.

Project much? "can't stop"?!? 99% of my comments are about other topics. You changed my username in your comment above to fit into the toilet sign avatar that you use for 100% of the comments you've posted since marriage equality. Before that you had a picture of Pope Nazinger to match your Vaticanus screen name.

PeopleUnited says

curious#2 (AKA Strange bowel movement) says

rando says

There are couple's toilets?

LOL - see the "Love Toilet" from SNL.

Vaticanus/PeopleUnited's avatar is adapted from a male and female toilet sign. Certain religious sites adapted the toilet sign to squeeze the male&female together, in opp...

curious2 says

PeopleUnited says

You can't stop talking about toilet signs and even your online handle refers to an unusual bowel movement.

Project much? "can't stop"?!? 99% of my comments are about other topics. You changed my username in your comment above to fit into the toilet sign avatar that you use for 100% of the comments you've posted since marriage equality. Before that you had a picture of Pope Nazinger to match your Vaticanus screen name.

PeopleUnited says

curious#2 (AKA Strange bowel movement) says

rando says

There are couple's toilets?

LOL - see

So you are not curious#2? My mistake curious2. Oh wait, and yet here you are talking about toilets again. Keep up the good work brother. Are you trying to sell more toilet paper?

Nevermind. But I do appreciate your comments about Cardinal Nazinger, I was entertained. You'd like him, he probably has gold toilets and is happy to share them with little boys.

Sorry I couldn't resist the opportunity for a Nazi, pedophile, Pope, toilet joke.

Now can we get back to talking about the root of Islamic terrorism? The fact of the matter is that us non-muslims better figure this out and work together to resolve it. The Muslims don't seem to be doing much to self police.

PeopleUnited says

Anyone who cares what God has said is capable of finding and verifying this truth for themselves.

Empirically false. Muslims worship the same god as you, the god of Abraham. They believe even more fervently than you do. Every Islamic terrorist attack including 9/11 was carried out by the faithful. Your god creates terrorists.

PeopleUnited says

It is you who suffers the delusion. You think you can exist without God. You cannot.

How, that is such a convincing argument. Wait, that's exactly the same argument Mohamed said to me to convince me to join Islam.

PeopleUnited says

Dan8267 says

I don't choose my beliefs.

A bold face lie, and yet you believe it. And like I said before when you lie to yourself, how can anyone take you seriously? Of course you choose your beliefs you poor soul.

Once again you demonstrate how dangerous Christian brainwashing is. The fact that you cannot comprehend that my beliefs are based on rational thought and evidence and therefore not my choice shows how delusional you are. Christianity is directly hurting our nation by making potential voters like you lose all grasp of reality and reason. That is direct harm in a republic.

I could no more choose to believe in your fictitious god than I could choose to believe the square root of two is a rational number, and for the exact same reason, logic demands otherwise.

PeopleUnited says

At least you are humble, humility goes a long way.

Honey, it's not that I have a high opinion of me. It's that I have a low opinion of you. And false humility is a vice.

I'm humble enough to admit that I'm not immortal, created in the image of a god, or anything special in the universe. If my entire planet and species never existed, the universe would hardly change at all. That's the real humility. And those who believe they have an immortal soul and the whole universe was created for them by a being with a special relationship with them, are the mothers of all arrogant asses. That's a level of ego I cannot even comprehend.

PeopleUnited says

Not only do I know what impotence is, I know you are helpless and powerless before the Creator. But you already knew that didn't you? That is why you need to talk big about how God doesn't exist. It is to mask your own impotence before Him. Why are you so afraid of God?

Wow, so that's what a tantrum thrown by an adult sounds like. Well, if that delusion makes you feel better about your mental illness, who am I to burst your fantasy with a dose of reality? I just think it's sad that you feel you need to tear down another person to make yourself feel better about what deep inside you realize is a lie.

PeopleUnited says

Can your god create an immovable object? If no, then he is not omnipotent. If yes, then can he move that object? If no, then he is not omnipotent. If yes, then he failed to create an immovable object.

Dan you are better than this. This is more semantics.

No, it's not. That's like saying 1 + 2 = 3 is mere semantics. What I showed is called a proof by contradiction. The fact that such a technique disproves your god beyond any doubt whatsoever does not make the technique invalid. Just because you don't like the truth, doesn't change what it is.

The fact that you chose to discard all of mathematics, which is the basis of all our knowledge and technology, to preserve your delusion demonstrates that faith in Christianity is a mental illness so severe that Christians should not be allowed to vote just like anyone suffering from a mental illness that prevents the person from grasping reality.

PeopleUnited says

God is not limited by time as we are. More arguments on semantics and more evidence of serious misunderstanding of God by Dan.

Another cop out that does not address this other proof by contradiction. I could just as well say that numbers aren't limited by arithmetic so 1 + 2 = 12. Sorry, you don't get to change mathematics.

PeopleUnited says

Dan8267 says

Then why consider the asshole a moral authority?

Changing the subject again Dan. God is Holy and righteous.

This is not changing the subject. You claim your god is holy and righteous, yet he has commanded his followers to do great evil including genocide, rape, and smashing the brains of babies on rocks. Once more you demonstrate how much Christianity fucks up people's minds and why it potentially is as dangerous as Islam. Left unchecked, people like you would be flying planes into buildings in less than 100 years.

PeopleUnited says

I am going to have to assume

And that right there is your problem. You assume and take things on faith rather than observe reality for what it is. And this is exactly the problem inherent in all religions.

PeopleUnited says

Not a straw man, a direct response to your false claim that supernatural entities such as angels and God cannot interact with a natural entity such as a rock or a human. I just pointed out that God may have created supernatural beings who can interact with what you call the natural world. The only arguments you are making are semantics. It is a recurring theme with you. Indicative that perhaps you are a bot.

I have thoroughly refuted your argument that supernatural entities could interact with the natural world without violating natural law. The interaction either has to obey the natural laws, in which case all entities involved are by definition natural, or it violates the natural laws, in which case there would be able evidence in the form of such violations.

I said you did not get to change mathematics to suit your superstitions. The same goes for the laws of nature.

And yes, I am a bot, which makes you being humiliated in this debate oh so much more pathetic. In fact, I'm a bot running on a Commodore 64, which just goes to show everyone that you don't need that much computational power to best PeopleUnited.

Now, shall we play a game?

PeopleUnited says

God created the laws of nature, He is not subject to them being supernatural Himself.

This would be irrelevant. Such a god would still have to violate those laws and such violations would be obvious.

PeopleUnited says

The God of the Bible also allows you to mock and jeer Him and those who follow Him. But in the end He will do what He has promised he will do. That is why He is Holy and righteous

Does anyone here not see how much PeopleUnited sounds like a Muslim? Same certainty in the irrational. Such conviction is dangerous and destructive.

If God existed, he would have shown himself by now, instead of playing "hide and seek" games like a child.

rando says

Jesus did not murder anyone.

If armies murdered for Jesus, they were obviously wrong to do that, by his original teaching.

But his father most certainly did. And his daddy called for genocide, rape, and infanticide. And Jesus was OK with slavery. Jesus is hardly an outstanding moral example. He was actually quite typical of Iron Age desert dwellers in the Middle East.

In any case, Jesus's teachings was that you should not inflict any harm on a person who is raping and killing you and your family. Turn the other cheek, he said. Your reward is in heaven, he said. Well, how many American Christians would let a home invader rape or kill a family member in order to follow Jesus's teachings? Zero. Jesus's teachings are stupid and even the most devote Christian knows it.

Hell, Jesus would not even approve of gun ownership. Jesus never packed heat. Not a bow, not a sword, not even a dagger. How many American Christians follow that example?

HEY YOU says

For a moment I thought you were talking about

the 5 time DRAFT DODGER that doesn't have a brain.

You'll have to be more specific. That describes every republican in the past 60 years.

Dan8267 says

But his father most certainly did. And his daddy called for genocide, rape, and infanticide.

What a sicko. I told you guys, I would make a better God, than God. Please vote for me.

Dan8267 says

But his father most certainly did. And his daddy called for genocide, rape, and infanticide.

The Old Testament God is disturbingly similar to Allah in some ways. But even the most literal hard core Orthodox Jew wants only the Jews to obey the literal Law of Moses. There are not very many Orthodox Jews, and Jews don't try to convert anyone, and they don't try to impose Jewish law by force.

The Muslims want to impose Sharia on the whole world, and are determined to murder everyone who is in their way. And there are shit ton of them, and they are very aggressive about proselytizing.

rando says

The Old Testament God is disturbingly similar to Allah in some ways.

So the foundation and first story of Christianity is evil and despicable, but the second story is quite nice if you eliminate the whole slavery thing. The problem with such a house is that the second story goes down when the first story collapses.

In any case, the fact that the most faithful of American Christian pack guns in direct contrast to everything Jesus said about non-violence and pacifism demonstrates that the goody-two-shoes aspects of Jesus you think keep Christians from being radicalized, don't actually do that. And this should not come as a surprise since for 1600 out of 2000 years of Christian history, the followers of Jesus were every bit as bad as the followers of Mohamed. And the next 200 years after that wasn't much better. It's only in the past 200 years that we atheists and secularists have gotten Christians under control. Today's moderate Christian is the exception, not the norm. Don't forget that.

There is no law in the universe that states Christians won't revert to their typical ways of murder and mayhem. It requires actively fighting against delusional people like PeopleUnited to prevent that. Even if PeopleUnited doesn't go all Jihad on your ass, what makes you think his son, grandson, or great grandson won't? Time is not on our side. Left uncheck, Christianity would progress to ever more violent stages just like it did when the Romans legalized it, and for the exact same reasons.

rando says

The Muslims want to impose Sharia on the whole world, and are determined to murder everyone who is in their way. And there are shit ton of them, and they are very aggressive about proselytizing.

Christianity was exactly this way for 80% of its history. Without strong opposition, it would become this way again.

rando says

The Old Testament God is disturbingly similar to Allah in some ways.

That's because Mohammad the illiterate terrorist had to steal other people's patents. Mohammad only knew how to murder, rape, steal, enslave, molest, and BS like hell.

Strategist says

rando says

The Old Testament God is disturbingly similar to Allah in some ways.

The Jews follow the Old Testament, yet have not been violent in over 2000 years. The Christians follow the New Testament and have been violent for most of the past 2000 years. That puts a nail in the coffin of the argument that the content of scripture matters.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Anyone who cares what God has said is capable of finding and verifying this truth for themselves.

Empirically false. Muslims worship the same god as you, the god of Abraham. They believe even more fervently than you do. Every Islamic terrorist attack including 9/11 was carried out by the faithful. Your god creates terrorists.

Nice try. But as anyone with an iota of knowlege knows, Allah is not Elohim. Why do you have to make shit up? Why do you have to resort to false accusations? Perhaps it is because you have no knowledge of God. Don't worry, He will forgive you, if you let Him.

rando says

Dan8267 says

But his father most certainly did. And his daddy called for genocide, rape, and infanticide.

The Old Testament God is disturbingly similar to Allah in some ways. But even the most literal hard core Orthodox Jew wants only the Jews to obey the literal Law of Moses. There are not very many Orthodox Jews, and Jews don't try to convert anyone, and they don't try to impose Jewish law by force.

The Muslims want to impose Sharia on the whole world, and are determined to murder everyone who is in their way. And there are shit ton of them, and they are very aggressive about proselytizing.

Exactly, the parts of the Old Testament that many find disturbing were written as a history, and the laws of Moses and such were written for the Jews, and not for anyone else. Many of the Jews chose to follow God's laws, but they also had the option of rejecting God and leaving, going to live in another land where the other non-Jewish people lived. God never forced Himself on anyone.

PeopleUnited says

Nice try. But as anyone with an iota of knowlege knows, Allah is not Elohim. Why do you have to make shit up? Why do you have to resort to false accusations?

The only one here who is bullshitting is you. Facts are easily verified in the Information Age, so I'm calling you out as a liar.

Islam was founded by Mohamed, who basically stole from the two most popular religions of his time, Christianity and Judaism. Islamic mythology extends directly from both Judaism and Christianity. This is a hard core fact. You don't get to rewrite history to suit your narrative.

The New York Metropolitan Museum: The Prophet Muhammad and the Origins of Islam

The rise of Islam is intrinsically linked with the Prophet Muhammad, believed by Muslims to be the last in a long line of prophets that includes Moses and Jesus.

When he was roughly forty, Muhammad began having visions and hearing voices. Searching for clarity, he would sometimes meditate at Mount Hira, near Mecca. On one of these occasions, the Archangel Gabriel (Jibra'il in Arabic) appeared to him and instructed him to recite "in the name of [your] lord." This was the first of many revelations that became the basis of the Qur'an, the holy book of Islam.

One night, while the Prophet was sleeping, the Archangel Gabriel came and led him on a journey. Mounted on the heavenly steed Buraq, Muhammad traveled from the Ka'ba in Mecca to the "Farthest Mosque," which Muslims believe to be the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. There he prayed with other prophets such as Moses, Abraham, and Jesus, and ascended to the skies, where he was led by Gabriel through Paradise and Hell, and finally came face to face with God. He then returned to earth to continue spreading the message of Islam. According to Islamic belief, Muhammad was the only person to see Heaven and Hell while still alive.

There you have it. The same Abraham from the Christian Old Testament and the same Jesus and Archangel Gabriel from the Christian New Testament. Notice that I have provided actual evidence from a creditable source to back up my claims. But hey, since when does evidence actually mean anything to the religious?

PeopleUnited says

You and Dan and the other haters can quit talking about God and I will too.

Are you incapable of making straw man arguments? I don't hate your fictitious god. It's impossible to hate a character that doesn't exist. Your straw man is ridiculous. It's like saying I hate Darth Vader or Lord Voldemort.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Nice try. But as anyone with an iota of knowlege knows, Allah is not Elohim. Why do you have to make shit up? Why do you have to resort to false accusations?

The only one here who is bullshitting is you. Facts are easily verified in the Information Age, so I'm calling you out as a liar.

Islam was founded by Mohamed, who basically stole from the two most popular religions of his time, Christianity and Judaism. Islamic mythology extends directly from both Judaism and Christianity. This is a hard core fact. You don't get to rewrite history to suit your narrative.

The New York Metropolitan Museum: The Prophet Muhammad and the Origins of Islam

The rise of Islam is intrinsically link...

So to recap, some child molester way back in history borrows from the Old Testament and New Testament and invents a new false God he calls Allah, and since you cite an article on the internet that this happened, that means Allah and Elohim are the same thing? Brilliant.

You have found a new low Dan. I am amazed at your desperation.

PeopleUnited says

So to recap, some child molester way back in history borrows from the Old Testament and New Testament and invents a new false God he calls Allah, and since you cite an article on the internet that this happened, that means Allah and Elohim are the same thing? Brilliant.

As oppose to the other people who invented the false gods of Yahweh and Jesus?

The bottom line is that the deity is the same. The only case you can make that the two characters are different is if they are fictional. If your god were real, that would mean the Muslims worship him as well. The best case you or they could make against the other is that you are misinterpreting that god's wishes. But if there were an actual being behind the god, then both Christianity and Islam would be referring to that same being.

Once again, you don't get to rewrite history. Muslims are worshiping the same god as you. Clearly your false god doesn't mind or he would make his real wishes abundantly clear.

PeopleUnited says

some child molester

Jesus supported slavery. It's in the New Testament. Slavery in the ancient world, just like in American history, included sex slavery of children. Pot meet kettle.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

You and Dan and the other haters can quit talking about God and I will too.

Are you incapable of making straw man arguments? I don't hate your fictitious god. It's impossible to hate a character that doesn't exist. Your straw man is ridiculous. It's like saying I hate Darth Vader or Lord Voldemort.

I didn't bring up any other religion than Islam. You did. I simply responded to your false accusations regarding the one true God of Christianity and His followers. We can stop talking about Him anytime you decide to quit talking about Him and His followers.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

some child molester

Jesus supported slavery. It's in the New Testament. Slavery in the ancient world, just like in American history, included sex slavery of children. Pot meet kettle.

Red herring. Are you accusing Jesus of being a child molester? Seriously, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Are you done talking about God (and making shit up about God yet)?

If you changed your name back to Vaticanus your arguments would carry more weight.
Images of luxurious palaces and gold chinaware come to mind.
PeopleUnited sounds like a british soccer team...

PeopleUnited says says

You and

Dan8267 says

Once again, you don't get to rewrite history. Muslims are worshiping the same god as you. Clearly your false god doesn't mind or he would make his real wishes abundantly clear.

Neither do you get to rewrite history. The Bible is what God says about Himself. Anything else that anyone else says about Him is subject to verification. Including what you and I say. But just because some idiot wrote another book whether it be the Book of Mormon or any other religious book claiming to be about God or Jesus, doesn't mean jack shit regarding Jesus Himself. Let Jesus speak for Himself, and you can find his words in the Bible.

BlueSardine says

If you changed your name back to Vaticanus your arguments would carry more weight.

Images of luxurious palaces and gold chinaware come to mind.

PeopleUnited sounds like a british soccer team...

PeopleUnited says says

You and

Vaticanus was kind of a joke name. But I agree it does sound pretty badass.

PeopleUnited says

We can stop talking about Him anytime you decide to quit talking about Him and His followers.

I am not going to be silent in the face of evil. Christian brainwash children every day. It's the worst and most prevalence form of child abuse in our society. How about you Christians leave children alone. If you cannot convince a rational adult of your false religion, you should not be allowed to brainwash children.

If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

PeopleUnited says

If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea

Yeah, that says all we need to know about Christianity being "harmless".

@Patrick, still think there's no major downsides to tolerating Christianity or that Christians could not be radicalized? How different, fundamentally, does PeopleUnited sound from a Muslim?

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea

Yeah, that says all we need to know about Christianity being "harmless".

@Patrick, still think there's no major downsides to tolerating Christianity or that Christians could not be radicalized? How different, fundamentally, does PeopleUnited sound from a Muslim?

I didn't say it genius, Jesus did. And it is a warning and promise from God. I suggest you heed it. God follows through with His promises.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell"

PeopleUnited says

And it is a warning and promise from God. I suggest you heed it.

Spoken like a true Muslim, er, Christian. Same diff.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

And it is a warning and promise from God. I suggest you heed it.

Spoken like a true Muslim, er, Christian. Same diff.

Nope the difference is that a Muslim will kill you for insulting his prophet, I will just gently remind you that my God keeps His promises.

The difference is a mere century of devolution. Left uncheck, you'd Christians would rival Muslims in cruelty just like you did for 80% of your history.

Dan8267 says

The difference is a mere century of devolution. Left uncheck, you'd Christians would rival Muslims in cruelty just like you did for 80% of your history.

More making shit up. Moreover, since Christianity predates Islam, your devolution claim doesn't even make sense. Clearly no intelligence here. You must be a bot.

PeopleUnited says

More making shit up. Moreover, since Christianity predates Islam, your devolution claim doesn't even make sense. Clearly no intelligence here. You must be a bot.

It is a historical fact that Christianity became oppressive and violent after the Romans legalized it. Your statement is empirically false.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

More making shit up. Moreover, since Christianity predates Islam, your devolution claim doesn't even make sense. Clearly no intelligence here. You must be a bot.

It is a historical fact that Christianity became oppressive and violent after the Romans legalized it. Your statement is empirically false.

The RCC is Christian in name only. The RCC was torturing Christians for centuries. http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Reformation_Rome_crusade_slaughter

Just because someone claims to be a Christian, doesn't make them a Christian. There may be some people in the RCC that are Christians, but their leaders never were.

Martin Luther discovered this with the help of God and many others have as well.

PeopleUnited says

Just because someone claims to be a Christian, doesn't make them a Christian.

What makes a person a Christian is the belief in the divinity and resurrection of Christ. Many such people have committed genocide, rape, torture, and infanticide over the past 2000 years. The Roman Catholic Church is certainly Christian. Again, you don't get to rewrite history.

Dan, your hatred for Christianity blinds you. You are a blind man.

FortWayne says

Dan, your hatred for Christianity blinds you.

I hate evil. Christianity is simply a specific example of evil. Any good person would have Christianity for the exact same reasons he hates Nazism. Both movements have committed genocide, rape, torture, infanticide, and brainwashing.

I have backed up all my claims with historic evidence. You have nothing more than a baseless assertion.

Dan8267 says

It is a historical fact that Christianity became oppressive and violent after the Romans legalized it. Your statement is empirically false.

Actually the biggest reason Constantine recognized (which means christians got state support like the pagan religions, it was very profitable to be a state recognized religion in those days) Christianity is he thought it would stop the brutal fighting between the various christen factions which was actually destabilizing his empire. Didn't work out. Christianity started out violent and oppressive well before Constantine. .