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Dan8267 says

Strategist says

It's more fun attacking barbarians that live today, rather than attacking barbarians that lived a thousand years ago.

Christianity does more harm to America every day than Islam ever could. It corrupts our government, our laws, our policies, endangers the entire world ecosystem, and violates civil and human rights, all while holding morality back to Iron Age standards.

What do you think Islam does today? Do they even know what human rights are? Everything you mentioned, is just a 100 times worse in Islam.
e.g. Genocide of the Yazidis. Christians do not do that. Those that did so in Yugoslavia were quickly subdued.

Dan8267 says

Your god creates terrorists.

Dan8267 says

Your analogy is also flawed because Hal Steinbrenner actually exists, unlike Yahweh.

So on which statement were you bullshitting? The time you said Yahweh didn't exist or the time you said he was Allah and he created terrorists? Me thinks both were bullshiting.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

I'm not going to play your little pyramid game,

You mean being civilized?

No I meant playing word games, see above. You want to have your cake and eat it too. You claim God doesn't exist, and he simultaneously creates terrorists. That IS a miracle.Dan8267 says

a poo-fling monkey instead of honestly debating the issue like an adult.

Dan8267 says

You mean being civilized?

Did you say something about being civilized?Dan8267 says

However, the audience is not going to respect you

Dan, when was the last time you showed respect to Bible believers? What percentage of Patneters show such respect? When is that ever going to change? Surely you can set the example if you really believed in showing respect. I don't believe you ever will, but I am happy to be proven wrong.
Dan8267 says

Your No True Scotsman argument

You created another Straw Man. How cute.
Dan8267 says

They believe(d) in the divinity and resurrection of Christ. By definition, that makes them Christians.

Where are your witnesses? Surely there must be witnesses that say Vlad the Impaler confessed Jesus as his Lord and Savior? Where are these people who witnessed these men confessing Christ? I'm sure a true Christian would have a lot to say about how much Christ meant to them. They probably would talk about Jesus every day and want to share it with others. Testify brothers......... (Crickets chirping).

Dan8267 says

If you play for the NY Yankees in official American league games, then you are a NY Yankee

Ok, but before playing for the Yankees, a player is recognized by the owner as a player, agrees to the terms of the contract and is given a jersey. Then his/her name is written on the program/roster. That is why it is a near perfect analogy of what it means to be a Christian.

You said it right that a Christian claims and confesses Christ as their Savior, but just as claiming/confessing to be Yankee doesn't make it so, neither does the claim of Christ. It is not official unless Christ puts their name on the roster. You don't become a Yankee without going through Steinbrener and being approved by Him, and you don't become a Christian by asking Dan for his definition and approval. You do become a Christian by talking to the owner of the team, Jesus.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. (testimony of people who confess Jesus is Lord but did not truly make him their savior)
Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. (testimony of God's promise that in order to avoid the lake of fire your name must be found written on the roster, the book of life)
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (Jesus said some people's names will not be on the roster, presumably some of those who thought they were on the roster were mistaken, note in this passage they are even given jerseys for the home team)

Dan8267 says

You will never get a picture of your god because he does not exist.

But wait I thought you said he created terrorists. I guess in a round about way He did. He created every human being that ever walked the earth. Thanks for the reminder. I guess you are right after all. As for a Snapchat image, I don't need one, He wrote me a book. You may have heard of it.

Oh, and He did walk this earth, but His bones he took with Him when he was taken up into heaven after rising from the dead. Luke 24;50-51.

Still waiting for you to show some respect Dan. Judge. Brother?

socal2 says

Dan8267 says

Christianity does more harm to America every day than Islam ever could.

Right - Christianity did so much harm that America managed to become the most dynamic, free, ethnically diverse, prosperous and powerful country in the world.

Just imagine how much farther ahead America would be from the rest of the world's primates if we were all a bunch of angry atheists like Dan.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-jakubowski-search-accused-of-stealing-guns-sending-manifesto-to-trump/

One of Dan's fellow anti-God warriors.

I find it very dishonest that Dan claims to call someone who shows no testimony of Christian faith a Christian. It is about as disingenuous as it gets.

As for Job, is it really unethical to make a promise and keep it, that is what the story is about from my perspective. Both Job and God were faithful and Satan could not cause that faithfulness to fail despite attacking everything Job had on this earth.

socal2 says

Right - Christianity did so much harm that America managed to become the most dynamic, free, ethnically diverse, prosperous and powerful country in the world.

All those good things happened because atheists and secularists attacked and reduced Christianity's hold over the population. Do you really think we would be the world leader in wealth and technology if we still burned witches like they did in the 1600s and thought that demons and spirits controlled the world?

Every scientific, political, social, and moral advancement has come from the diminishment of Christianity.

socal2 says

Just imagine how much farther ahead America would be from the rest of the world's primates if we were all a bunch of angry atheists like Dan.

I'm not angry, but you clearly are. It must enrage you that atheists like me have cause Christianity to die a bit every year in our country. Church attendance is plummeting. People are less likely to identify as Christians, and when they do, they don't actually believe in all the myths in the Bible. I can feel your hate pulsating through your blood, and it makes a pleasing sound, the sound of victory.

In contrast, times are very good for us happy atheists, and we're quite happy that the death of your religion is coming along nicely. Today is far better than when your religion actually mattered. And with each passing year, and each passing death of a brainwashed individual, your religion matters less and mankind is freer. It's a great time to be alive.

But to answer your question of where we would be if Christianity never existed...

We would be colonizing the galaxy by now.

PeopleUnited says

That being said, I find it very dishonest that Dan claims to call someone who shows no testimony of Christian faith a Christian. It is about as disingenuous as it gets.

I find it very dishonest that you claim I did such a thing. You are as disingenuous as it gets.

The entire history of Christianity is full of people of great faith in Christ committing rape, murder, genocide, infanticide, and other atrocities. You don't get to rewrite history. The fact that you keep repeating your lies just makes you even more despicable.

Dan8267 says

socal2 says

Right - Christianity did so much harm that America managed to become the most dynamic, free, ethnically diverse, prosperous and powerful country in the world.

All those good things happened because atheists and secularists attacked and reduced Christianity's hold over the population. Do you really think we would be the world leader in wealth and technology if we still burned witches like they did in the 1600s and thought that demons and spirits controlled the world?

Every scientific, political, social, and moral advancement has come from the diminishment of Christianity.

Science and religion can never be compatible. Look at the Islamic nations......what has been their scientific achievements in the last 2 centuries?

PeopleUnited says

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-jakubowski-search-accused-of-stealing-guns-sending-manifesto-to-trump/

One of Dan's fellow anti-God warriors.

OK, you have one evil anti-religious person. How long did it take you to find that, and how does that outweigh the 1 billion Christians in history who have done evil in the name of their religion including Hitler? If you want to compare good vs. evil, the fact is that violent criminals are overwhelmingly Christian. Atheists make up a far smaller proportion of convicted murderers, rapists, and all other criminals than what is to be expected from the percentage of the general population that are atheists. The reverse is true of Christians.

Facts are a bitch, aren't they?

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-jakubowski-search-accused-of-stealing-guns-sending-manifesto-to-trump/

One of Dan's fellow anti-God warriors.

If I were to argue like PeopleUnited, I'd have to say he wasn't anti-God because he's violent and the only way to be anti-God is to be peaceful and good. Only the anti-God can judge who are his real followers. Now that would be a straw man worthy of one of PeopleUnited's arguments.

Instead, I say sure atheists can be evil, but they are empirically far less likely to be so than Christians.

Newbie123 says

What good comes out of Islam?

What good comes from any religion that cannot also come more reliably from somewhere else without all the evil baggage of religion?

Dan8267 says

All those good things happened because atheists and secularists attacked and reduced Christianity's hold over the population.

The Abolitionists that were at the forefront of the anti-slavery movement was an explicitly Christian movement and used Christianity to justify their anti-slavery positions.

Whereas, the super sophisticated atheists types used "science" to justify slavery and eugenics. Isn't slavery and racism our country's biggest sin?

The fanatical atheists that ran the Communist party under Stalin and Mao did quite a bit to "attack and reduce" Christianity's hold over the population. How did that work out for humanity?

socal2 says

The Abolitionists that were at the forefront of the anti-slavery movement was an explicitly Christian movement and used Christianity to justify their anti-slavery positions.

As did the slavers. They quoted the Bible's pro-slavery verses from both the Old AND NEW Testaments. Yes, that's right, the New Testament is also pro-slavery. In fact there is nothing anti-slavery anywhere in the Bible.

Oh, and Jesus Christ never rallied against slavery, the biggest moral issue of his time.

This round goes to atheists.

socal2 says

Whereas, the super sophisticated atheists types used "science" to justify slavery and eugenics.

Now that's just an outright lie. Some Christians used pseudo-science to justify slavery and eugenics in the 1800s. Name one atheists that did. Actually, name at least a million because one bad atheist doesn't outweigh a million bad Christians. History still bears witness that religion, especially Christianity, causes people to become more evil.

socal2 says

The fanatical atheists that ran the Communist party under Stalin and Mao did quite a bit to "attack and reduce" Christianity's hold over the population. How did that work out for humanity?

Quite well. If the communists were Christians, the world would have ended in nuclear war already.

In any case, all the evil in the Soviet Union had nothing to do with atheism, but rather with authoritarians and is exactly what you see in the United States today with the massive domestic spying, black flag operations, lethal medical experimentation on civilians, forced sterilization without the knowledge of the women being sterilized, and many, many more evils I can go into.

But you're trying to argue that if a single evil atheists exists, then atheism should be banned. Well, let's apply that to Christianity. Remember the alligator babies discussed in a recent thread? All the people using infants and toddlers are alligator bait, letting the animals eat the children alive, were Christians, not atheists. That's fucked up. Are you going to be a hypocrite or are you going to call for a ban on Christianity now?

Here are your Christian values...

They would go down there at night, take these babies and... tie them up, put a rope around their neck and around their torso, around here, and tie it tight.

They'd be screaming... What they were doing would help them to chum the water. He said when they would throw the babies in tied to this rope, he said in a matter of minutes, he said, the alligators were on them. He said the alligator would clamp his jaws on that child. As a matter of fact, once he clamped on them he was really swallowed. He said you couldn't see anything but the rope! Some would be infants, some would be a year old, toddlers, some would be infants.

Dan8267 says

And the United States could definitely deteriorate into a theocracy.

It can't. Very few Christians are fanatical. Most lawmakers, even though they call themselves Christians, are really secular.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

And the United States could definitely deteriorate into a theocracy.

It can't.

That's what they said about Trump being elected.

Strategist says

Very few Christians are fanatical.

That has changed in the past. It can change again. It takes constant opposition of religion to keep it in check.

Strategist says

Most lawmakers, even though they call themselves Christians, are really secular.

There are key senators in charge of important committees who cite Noah's Ark as evidence that rising sea-levels are impossible. That should scare you.

Dan8267 says

Quite well. If the communists were Christians, the world would have ended in nuclear war already.

Ha ha! The ideology responsible for the murder of more human beings on the planet did "quite well" according to Dan.

Dan8267 says

In any case, all the evil in the Soviet Union had nothing to do with atheism,

Has everything to do with atheism. It was a central tenet of Marxism/Leninism. You couldn't be a member of the Communist party and be a practicing Christian or Jew.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_atheism

socal2 says

Whereas, the super sophisticated atheists types used "science" to justify slavery and eugenics. Isn't slavery and racism our country's biggest sin?

Slavery was supported by Christianity. The Bible even tells you how slaves should be treated, and what the price of a slave should be.
The Bible was used to justify American slavery.
If it wasn't for science, atheism and secularism we would still be living in a rotten world with slaves.

socal2 says

Every fanatic I encounter on internet forums like this are "AA's" (angry atheists).

And this would be an example of a poisoning the well argument. It goes like this.

Step 1, claim that atheists are all angry people. This, of course, is completely untrue, but socal2 expects the audience are idiots who can be fooled. Step 2, since you've demonized the target group, claim that therefore anything they say must be untrue. After all angry people can never be right about anything. Case in point, all those Jews who are angry about the Holocaust cannot be right, therefore the Holocaust must have never happened. It's just logic, man.

Atheists are not angry. A lot of Christians are pissed the fuck off because atheists are now winning the popular opinion about religion by exposing how ridiculous it is. Of course, being angry doesn't make Christians wrong about their god. Reality makes them wrong about their god.

When one side uses nothing but lies and logical fallacies, it's a red flag.

Dan8267 says

Atheists are not angry. A lot of Christians are pissed the fuck off because atheists are now winning the popular opinion about religion by exposing how ridiculous it is. Of course, being angry doesn't make Christians wrong about their god. Reality makes them wrong about their god.

Ha ha ha. Quite right.
Even if atheists are angry, so what? They are the victims. They are hated, discriminated, and cursed just because they don't believe the silly nonsense in the fairy tale Bible.

Strategist says

Slavery was supported by Christianity.

Slavery was supported and practiced by virtually every society and ideology on the planet at the time of Christ and the Old Testament. Slavery was around thousands of years before the first Jew walked the earth and the most scientifically brilliant societies of the ancient Greeks and Romans practiced slavery and worse.

Unlike Islam, Christianity and Judaism has evolved as humans gain more understanding of the universe. A central tenet of Catholicism is science and man's reason.

My point stands that the American Abolitionist movement which was at the forefront of eliminating slavery in America was a profoundly Christian movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Abolitionism

My point also stands that the political, economic and social ideology responsible for more human deaths than anyone else in modern times was an explicitly atheist movement.

I am all for the separation of Church and State. There is no more awesome power in this world than that of organized governments who control our military, security services, and ability to tax. I think it is healthy for governments to have some competing outside moral ideologies to contend with. The atheist Communists and ISIS are very similar in how they fanatically eliminate any competing moral ideology.

Strategist says

Even if atheists are angry, so what? They are the victims.

We certainly would have the right to be angry. Anger is an appropriate emotional response to crimes against humanity like genocide, torture, rape, infanticide, burning people at the stake, etc.

However, the typical "angry" or "militant" atheist is summed up in this cartoon.

Quite frankly, most of us are more likely to get into a heated discussion about which captain is better, Kirk or Picard, than one about gods. By the way, Picard is clearly the better captain. Kirk is basically Trump, a pussy-grabbing hot head. Picard is a diplomat and thinker, and has inspirational speeches.

socal2 says

But I still recognize the massive benefits Christianity and Judaism provided Western Civilization.

Like the dark ages? The inquisition? The thirty years war? The albigensian crusade (kill them all , god will know his own)? The crusades? Hypatia and the library at alexandria?

Dan8267 says

And this would be an example of a poisoning the well argument. It goes like this.

Step 1, claim that atheists are all angry people. This, of course, is completely untrue, but socal2 expects the audience are idiots who can be fooled. Step 2, since you've demonized the target group, claim that therefore anything they say must be untrue. After all angry people can never be right about anything.

And this would be an example of Dan's staggering hypocrisy.

Because Dan saying something like this below ain't poisoning the well or anything. No demonization or untruths going on there - right Dan?

Dan8267 says

Christianity does more harm to America every day than Islam ever could. It corrupts our government, our laws, our policies, endangers the entire world ecosystem, and violates civil and human rights, all while holding morality back to Iron Age standards.

socal2 says

And this would be an example of Dan's staggering hypocrisy.

www.youtube.com/embed/G2y8Sx4B2Sk

A hypocrisy requires a contradiction in behavior and principle. There is none on my side.

socal2 says

No demonization or untruths going on there - right Dan?

Dan8267 says

Christianity does more harm to America every day than Islam ever could. It corrupts our government, our laws, our policies, endangers the entire world ecosystem, and violates civil and human rights, all while holding morality back to Iron Age standards.

No, there isn't any demonization or untruths in the above quote. One cannot state the facts of the Holocaust without making the Nazis look bad. That doesn't make those facts untrue or biased. Similarly, one cannot state the facts of Christian history without Christianity looking bad.

Historical truths make people on the wrong side of history look bad. You don't get to rewrite or whitewash history because your religion's evil deeds are well known. Stating historical facts is not poisoning the well. Historical truth matters.

www.youtube.com/embed/xefh7W1nVo4?start=189

bob2356 says

Like the dark ages? The inquisition? The thirty years war? The albigensian crusade (kill them all , god will know his own)? The crusades? Hypatia and the library at alexandria?

What are the most advanced, tolerant and prosperous nations on earth today Bob? Dare I say it is Christian dominated nations in the West? Is it a coincidence that Christian dominated nations are also the most secular, pluralistic and allow for diversity of faith or lack there of?

And for the record, Stalin killed more in one year than all of the inquisitions combined.

Crusades? Pushing back Islam's invasion of Europe and the Middle East is still considered a black mark against Christianity? Are the Crusades less pure than the Allies defeat of the Axis powers because the Allies fire-bombed and nuked cities killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people?

Dan8267 says

You don't get to rewrite or whitewash history because your religion's evil deeds are well known. Stating historical facts is not poisoning the well. Historical truth matters.

Says the dude that is trying to whitewash atheism's massive involvement in the most destructive ideology every to be inflicted upon our planet.

As you say, historical truth matters. The Commies are really good at revising history.

socal2 says

Strategist says

Slavery was supported by Christianity.

Slavery was supported and practiced by virtually every society and ideology on the planet at the time of Christ and the Old Testament. Slavery was around thousands of years before the first Jew walked the earth and the most scientifically brilliant societies of the ancient Greeks and Romans practiced slavery and worse.

It's irrelevant. Just because it was a common practice back then, does not make it moral. If the Bible allowed slavery, then the Bible is a piece of trash that belongs in the recycle bin.

socal2 says

Unlike Islam, Christianity and Judaism has evolved as humans gain more understanding of the universe. A central tenet of Catholicism is science and man's reason.

Religions don't evolve, the interpretations of religions evolve, due to education and science. The central tenet of Catholicism cannot be science, because science considers religions as silly mythology.

socal2 says

My point also stands that the political, economic and social ideology responsible for more human deaths than anyone else in modern times was an explicitly atheist movement.

Not it isn't. Almost all wars were a result of religion. Atheism is just a lack of belief.
The great majority of scientists are Atheists. Atheists are more intelligent, more educated and are the cause of scientific progress. Religions, which don't even believe in evolution are not capable of advancing the human race. Religions can only keep mankind in the era in which it was created.

socal2 says

My point stands that the American Abolitionist movement which was at the forefront of eliminating slavery in America was a profoundly Christian movement.

This IS True.

The first person in the world to get a government to ban slavery on Moral Grounds was William Wilburforce.

Naturally most SJWs have never heard of him, because he's not good for their narrative.

Toussaint of Haiti led a slave rebellion, only to end up re-legalizing it so he could have Slaves himself.

Nelson Mandela's wife kept Slaves, also.

socal2 says

Says the dude that is trying to whitewash

Honeybuns, I've whitewashed nothing. I called out your bullshit that Communism is an atheistic movement. It's not. The economic system does not have anything to do with religion, and just because the Soviet Union eliminated competition from it doesn't mean all Communist societies are atheistic or that the two things have anything to do with each other. Just look at Cuba.

You are trying to equate mustaches with mass murder and you just look stupid trying to do that. But hey, keep doing it. I love pointing out the dishonesty. It just kills your credibility.

socal2 says

What are the most advanced, tolerant and prosperous nations on earth today Bob? Dare I say it is Christian dominated nations in the West? Is it a coincidence that Christian dominated nations are also the most secular, pluralistic and allow for diversity of faith or lack there of?

What were the most advanced nations on earth 2000 years ago when Christianity was founded? Why did the advances in science and civilization decline badly right in step with the rise of Christianity? Why did progress begin again with the decline of the churches power and the rise in governments power. The most advanced, tolerant, and prosperous nations on earth got that way in spite of Christianity, not because of it.

Dan8267 says

They believe(d) in the divinity and resurrection of Christ. By definition, that makes them Christians.

Where are your witnesses? Surely there must be witnesses that say Vlad the Impaler confessed Jesus as his Lord and Savior? Where are these people who witnessed these men confessing Christ? I'm sure a true Christian would have a lot to say about how much Christ meant to them. They probably would talk about Jesus every day and want to share it with others.

Still waiting to hear from your witnesses.

Till then you are lying about their conversion.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-jakubowski-search-accused-of-stealing-guns-sending-manifesto-to-trump/

One of Dan's fellow anti-God warriors.

OK, you have one evil anti-religious person. How long did it take you to find that,

Um, honey it happened like Monday. It was national news.

Dan you have lost your sanity man.

God has a strange way of rewarding the people who embraced his religion, by setting famine, plague (during Justinian's reign), and barbarian invasions upon them mere decades after conversion. I think Rome fell less than a century after the official conversion of the Empire.

PeopleUnited says

Um, honey it happened like Monday. It was national news.

It's still the extremely rare exception to the rule, unlike 80% of Christian history.

FortWayne says

Dan you have lost your sanity man.

Feel free to back that up. I don't take crazy accusations from crazy seriously.

socal2 says

Crusades? Pushing back Islam's invasion of Europe and the Middle East is still considered a black mark against Christianity? Are the Crusades less pure than the Allies defeat of the Axis powers because the Allies fire-bombed and nuked cities killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people?

Try again. Islam didn't invade europe setting off the crusades. They never even made Constantinople. The closest the muslims came was Battle of Manzikert in 1071. After the surrender of Jerusalem on 637 muslims had control of the holy lands for 450 years before the crusades started. Alfonso VI of Castile, Sancho the Great, and Ramiro I of Aragon, were doing a nice job of driving the Moorish muslims out of the Iberian peninsula well before the crusades started.

The crusades were to regain the holy lands after the Seljuk prohibited pilgrimages to the holy land. Secondarily it gave Urban II an outlet to divert most of europes fighting men to something other than the rapidly spiralling out of control wars across the continent. The crusaders frequently managed to cause more trouble in the lands they passed through, especially Christian Constantinople, than in the holy land.

There was nothing pure about the crusades. Plunder was a bigger draw than religion for most crusaders.

bob2356 says

Try again. Islam didn't invade europe setting off the crusades. They never even made Constantinople. The closest the muslims came was Battle of Manzikert in 1071. After the surrender of Jerusalem on 637 muslims had control of the holy lands for 450 years before the crusades started. Alfonso VI of Castile, Sancho the Great, and Ramiro I of Aragon, were doing a nice job of driving the Moorish muslims out of the Iberian peninsula well before the crusades started.

Dude, the Arab Muslims besieged Constantinople THREE times, right at the dawn of Islam in the 600s and 700s. Repulsed mostly thanks to Greek Fire.

Constantinople eventually fell to the Turks in the 1400s, and by then the Turks held parts of Europe proper. The was just after a previous Jihad failed to be beaten back by Hungary.

Southeast Europe, including Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, what was Yugoslavia, parts of Hungary and even Austria were besieged by the Turks. Jesus, the Colonialist Imperialist Muslim Turks ruled a huge chunk of Europe right up until the time of the American Civil War, a mere century and a half ago.

They besieged Vienna, the heart of Europe FFS, in the 1500s and again in the 1600s. And the battle of Lepanto and the Siege of Malta, in the heart of the Med.

Islam did not spread from Mecca and Medina as far as Spain, Bengal, the North Shore of the Black and Caspian Seas, by handing out of Tracts and Evangelist Oratory, but by blood and iron. They filled a vacuum left by a bloody, ruinous conflict between Byantium and Persia, and all but exterminated the Zoroastrian religion. Only a few remnants survived by fleeing to India and Mozambique, the Indian exiles are known as the Parsi

Imperialist Colonialist Muslim Turks still control Constantinople, and have defaced the Hagia Sophia with their Islamic scribbles. Just like they converted or built deliberately on top of the Temple Mount in JEWrusalem, imposed the Babri Mosque over the Birthplace of Lord Rama in Ayodhya, and many, many places of worship from Hungary to the Menara Kundus in Indonesia.

Edit: I just remembered the Buddhas of Bamyian.

Jihads regularly took place on the Byzantine and Arab Frontiers, seasonally every year.

"Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire" by Edward Luttwak has a whole chapter on how the Byzantines would use a mix of bribery and small scale counter-raids by elite horsemen to counter the endless seasonal Jihads, where Arabs (later Turks also) from all over the MENA would gather to raid and plunder and terrorize Christian lands.

I think Victor Davis Hansen has a good bit on the Battle of Lepanto in one of his books, the one that deals with several Critical Battles. I think maybe Martel's turning of the Jihad from Spain near Tours is in there, also.

Roger Crowley has a great book on the siege of Malta.

Then there's John Julius Norwich who has a mega-tome on the history of Byzantium and his modern successor, Lars Brownworthy, has a great podcast series:
https://12byzantinerulers.com/

Europe came damn close to being overrun by Imperialist Colonialist Arab-Muslim Supremacists multiple times. God knows how many Slavs, taken in such numbers that most historians believe they gave their racial name to "Slaves", were enslaved. Ivan the Terrible burned the huge River Port of Astrakhan, a major gathering point for slaves taken by Muslim Tartars for shipment to the Middle East.

The Muslims were the greatest Slave Traders of all time, lasting almost 1400 years and still going on under terms like "Guest Worker" today in places like Qatar and Kuwait.

Even in the 18th Century, Arab Slavers raided as far as Ireland. In the 19th Century, after the Napoleonic Wars, British Industrialists were still leaving money in their wills to liberate White Christian slaves in North Africa.

Anybody who argues that the Muslims weren't expansionist, slaving, and almost entirely by the Sword is ignorant of history.

Some viewers may find Disturbing...
www.youtube.com/embed/-cTgk4oqEQw

An Ethiopian maid who survived a fall from the seventh floor of a building in Kuwait’s Sabah el-Salem area while her employer filmed has explained that she wasn’t trying to commit suicide.

“I wasn’t trying to commit suicide, I was trying to escape from the woman who tried to kill me,” the unnamed maid said in a video posted by Ethiopian media this weekend from the hospital where her broken arm is being treated.

Her "employer" (ahem) did not help but rather laughed and called her crazy as she begged for help.

She survived, but she wasn't trying to kill herself, but escape her brutal Kuwaiti Slave Mistress.

Origins of Slav:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/9chapter1.shtml

There may have been barbarism by Europeans in the past, but today it belongs to the followers of the Most High One.

During and leading up to the 2022 World Cup, expect Cuckmedia, ignorant of history and of offending "Oppressed Brown People", to say little of how the infrastructure was built by Slaves, who have their passports taken away, live in desert tents, are beaten regularly, have their water taken away, die in huge numbers, and often billed for their 'upkeep' so they end up with no or little pay at the end. They often end up begging for work, unable to buy a plane ticket home despite a year or more of employment for their "Employer"

PeopleUnited says

I suggest that you consult God's book of promises for you will find them to be faithful and true.

Oh, we're quoting the Bible now. OK.

Infanticide
"Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." - Psalms 137:9

Rape and sex slavery after murder rampages of men and children and non-virgin girls.
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves." Numbers 31:17-18

Slavery
"You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT

Sorry Lance Armstrong
"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD." Deuteronomy 23:1

Those are from the Old Testament, but the New Testament absolutely supports all those things and the unerringness of the Old Testament.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

"But it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for one dot of the Law to become void." Luke 16:17

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," Timothy 3:16

And remember, the Christians opted in for including the Old Testament as half of the Bibile.

But wait, there's more. The New Testament is also morally bankrupt. Sprinkling in a few "be nice to your neighbor" doesn't mitigate this any more than doing that in the Old Testament did.

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." Matthew 3:10, 12

Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. Matthew 5:29-30

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. Matthew 7:13-14

Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. Matthew 8:32

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 8:32 10:21

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34-36

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20-24

Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." Matthew 15:4-7

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. Matthew 18:23-35

God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. Matthew 21:33-41

Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. Matthew 17:26-27

Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. This also proves that PeopleUnited is full of shit when he says the defining characteristic of Christianity isn't faith in Jesus's divinity and resurrection. Matthew 15:6

And Christ, that's just part of the Gospel according to Matthew. There are three other gospels to go through as well as many other books. Not even I have the patience to list all the evil things in the New Testament, so just a few more for now.

Peter claims that Dt 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. Acts 3:23

Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. Acts 5:1-10

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children. Romans 1:31-32

The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. Romans 5:9

God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. Romans 5:12

James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Romans 4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). James 2:21

God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. Peter 3:7

The New Testament is evil, too.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Her "employer" (ahem) did not help but rather laughed and called her crazy as she begged for help.

She survived, but she wasn't trying to kill herself, but escape her brutal Kuwaiti Slave Mistress.

Fucking Kuwaiti bitch.