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Ironman says

Holy crap... talk about clueless... the chart has costs for the SAME age groupings in all the countries. Most old people suffer from many of the same health conditions. It's NOT comparing senior citizens in the US to Millennials in Spain... WTF,

We've covered this ground.

1) HEalthcare costs more in the U.S., way more. Typical tests cost 5 to 20 times as much. Same for many surgeries, other procedures, hospital rooms, everything.

2) An extremely high percentage of people in the U.S. have almost no serious expensive healthcare problems until they are over 55, or much later.

This is actually very simple. Let me put it in terms you will understand even less. If health care was several times more expensive here than in other first world countries for reasons having nothing to do with medicare, your chart would look the same, becasue such a large proportion of the health care that people receive in their lives occurs in the later years of their lives.

Therefore you have proven nothing. You have provided zero evidence to back your claim.

I wonder how much of the cost past age 70 is bullshit Rehab in Nursing Homes, because Medicare/Medicaid doesn't pay shit unless you're in Rehab.

So we got god knows how many terminally ill 80 something patients are being "Rehabilitated" in Private Nursing Homes at huge fraudulent expense when they should be dying at home or in hospice care.

My death plan is to take so much heroin and ganja to fight off the pain and enjoy as much as possible. Then get on a boat, play "Volga Boatmen" And "This is My Life" by Billy Joel on repeat, and set fire to it, after I take an heroic amount of opiates and leave a few thousand for an open bar party at my kids' or wife's favorite restaurant.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

My death plan is to take so much heroin and ganja to fight off the pain and enjoy as much as possible. Then get on a boat, play "Volga Boatmen" And "This is My Life" by Billy Joel on repeat....

That's a great plan, but if laws are no constraint, then you might prefer secobarbital sodium, hypothermia, and vitrification instead of self-immolation. IMMV: I'm not offering medical advice, and haven't personally tried it (yet).

Ironman says

So Bernie and this Lawson dude think the problem is with the insurance companies and the drug companies. Go read the article and look to see if they think the problem is with doctors and hospitals (ie: the COST of treatment)

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See that chart, Bernie thinks the high costs are due to 9% of the spending (prescription drugs). He also thinks the evil insurance companies charge too much for insurance. I wonder why that is??

Why hasn't Bernie proposed to decrease the amounts charged by physicians and hospitals????? What percentage is spent there??

I'd like to hear your answer on that!!

Yet, he thinks Medicare for All, with it's minimal deductibles is the solution??

See a problem yet??

A problem like only half of medical spending is actually treating people? Actually less than that. The doctors and hospitals numbers include medical billing. Average doctors office spends 10-11% on insurance billing. Hospital administration runs from 23% for public hospitals to 27% for profit hospitals with 9-10% insurance billing. The average for hospital administration is 13-18% in other countries. So take off another 6-7% and the amount of health care money actually spent treating people is in the low 40% range.

Yep I see a problem. Yep it's all medicare's fault, I can see that now. Nothing to do with money going to insurance, medical billing, profits, high administrative costs, or anything like that. Nope not a thing. The money for all that comes from the tooth fairy. It's all medicare's fault.

Save your fingertips dufus. Your dementia being so bad I'll remind you that I am against medicare for all and I'd like to see medicare reformed, but that's never going to happen.

Ironman says

Ironman says

Where exactly did you get your chart that has no attribution at all? I just checked the numbers from 3 different sources and they don't come anywhere close to your chart.

This is what the Kaiser Foundation says.

Bur of Labor Statistics says pretty much the same thing, but they include all spending including out of pocket

CMS says only 34% of medical spending is over 65.

Where did your numbers come from? Show your source.

Ironman says

My response wasn't posted towards you, but being the asshole that you are, you decided to reply anyway. Thanks for proving it to everyone here how much of an idiot you are!!

Winning!!!

So winning means ducking the issue. Yep that is winning to you.

bob2356 says

When my obligation here is done I'm gone for good.

What if something were to happen to you prior to that time that prevented you from leaving ?

Ironman says

Another fucking straw man by you. Where is the costs pre 65 and where is the comparison to OTHER countries???

FAIL!!!!!

Where is your explanation of why the costs on your chart are almost triple what the government publishes? Why does pre 65 or other countries matter other than being yet another shuck and jive strawman. We are talking about the US costs after 65. You remember that your argument was about medicare don't you? Your dementia isn't that bad is it? Other countries costs aren't in question. Although maybe they should be seeing how bad the US numbers are. The cost per person is right there twice, you couldn't read it? What happens to your chart when the numbers after 65 are cut by 2/3's? Never mind you don't have the mathematical ability to answer that.

Ironman says

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2012/12/30/2012-the-year-in-healthcare-charts/#255f1da6c8c8

Paul FIschbeck Professor of Social and Decision Sciences? Are you kidding me? This is your source? How does he have better information that Medicare? Do you suppose Medicare doesn't know what they pay out and Fischbeck does some how?

Ironman says

Did you look closely at that, it jumps from around $2K a year at 40 to $10K a year at 65 (col 2).

You don't suppose more people get sick at 65 than at 40 do you? No I forgot you said no one gets heart disease or cancer or chronic diseases until after 65, a momentous discovery that medical science will be forever grateful to you for your research. When will you be publishing your research?

Epic fucking fail. You chart inflates the US numbers after 65 by 300%. You and your chart are a joke.

MMR says

ob2356 says

When my obligation here is done I'm gone for good.

What if something were to happen to you prior to that time that prevented you from leaving ?

Then shit happens. What if you were hit by a bus tomorrow?