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rando says

Did the country have a better alternative that Trump? Unfortunately not.

Not in the general election, but certainly Bernie was a far better alternative to both Trump and Clinton.

just any guy says

Are you that psychic that you know exactly what he wants from being president?

No. One does not have to be a psychic. One only needs common sense. Trump's motive and mode of operation is transparent and well illustrated by a long public history. I don't have to read his mind to tell what's going on in there.

Trump = jobs
Democrats = welfare handout and no jobs

As advertised.

FortWayne says

Democrats = welfare handout and no jobs

Honey, the biggest welfare queens are defense contractors.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com

Total welfare spending is $392.1 billion, mostly to families and children, 296.6 billion. Unemployment is 39.0 billion. Assisted housing 51.2 billion. Workmen's compensation, paying physical laborers who get injured on the job, is 5.3 billion. Everything else is a rounding error.

The military costs us $853.6 billion when not fighting active wars and over a $1 trillion when fighting. That means even during peace time, for every one dollar spent on welfare, $2 is spent on warfare. The military industrial complex is the single biggest welfare program in all of human history and dwarfs the money we spend making sure children aren't malnourished or homeless.

If you had any family values, you'd be bitching about defense spending, not feeding and sheltering children.

Dan8267 says

I think Thunderlips is right on this one. Opposing the TPP is the one feather I'd give to Trump's hat, but it's not what the Tea Party, now the "Freedom Caucasus", was rallying for. They wanted a wall along the border paid by Mexico, the Keystone pipeline, and most of all, a repeal of Obamacare in its entirety.

Yes to the second and the third, no to the first. They only campaign on immigration control, they love their cheap pea packing plant personnel and their illegal rental property cleaners.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

They only campaign on immigration control, they love their cheap pea packing plant personnel and their illegal rental property cleaners.

You're thinking of big farm and the republican elite. The Tea Party base are poor, uneducated whites who couldn't afford to buy a farm or hire even illegal aliens as maids.

FortWayne says

Trump = jobs

Please cite number of jobs and legislation/initiatives put forth by Trump which created these jobs. I think to date you get maybe 3000 coal jobs, max, and most coal execs are shaking their heads. They know their industry's days are numbered.

Trump = going backwards, losing ground
China = loving it

2,458,247

Rew says

Please cite number of jobs and legislation/initiatives put forth by Trump which created these jobs.

The request was to cite the number of jobs and legislation/initiatives put forth by Trump which created these jobs.
The request did not ask for the what when how of it all.

anonymous says

"2,458,247" Are those the ones that were in the pipeline Trumplligula has repeatedly tried to take credit for ?

Tenpoundbass says

Wow, Obama is a secret Russian spy who got Trump elected and then pretended that he didn't want Trump elected. That's some really delusional shit. I haven't heard anything so divorced from reality like ever. And I thought it was crazy to think Obama was a secret foreign Muslim.

Nope Obama tried to hack Trump but failed, then said was the Russians.
Then the DNC got hacked because Obama went to Havana. Then then blamed that on Trump's Chumship with Putin.

Tenpoundbass says

Nope Obama tried to hack Trump but failed, then said was the Russians.

So, reality isn't important to you at all?

Dan8267 says

So, reality isn't important to you at all?

Yeah remember that time Trump called for the Russia reset then gave him 50% of our Uranium reserve?

You folks have no idea that the Flash flood of stupidity has eroded the ground under your feet on the moral highroad.

Trump = jobs in US.
Hillary = outsourcing on crack.

Sorry liberals, I care for America first.

Tenpoundbass says

Yeah remember that time Trump called for the Russia reset then gave him 50% of our Uranium reserve?

Care to back up that statement? I'd be interested to see the 'gave' part and the '50%' part in print.

FortWayne says

Trump = jobs in US.

Hillary = outsourcing on crack.

You must really want that to be true if you believe it.

It's better to be carrying water for the Saudis than the Russians.

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Saudi = ISIS

Tenpoundbass says

Yeah remember that time Trump called for the Russia reset then gave him 50% of our Uranium reserve?

So you honestly think that Obama is a Russian agent? You're not just trying to fool people you think are stupid. You really believe that shit?

FortWayne says

Sorry liberals, I care for America first.

No you don't. You care about a very narrow set of Americans that you call "real America". You don't care about the vast majority of the country. If you did then you would not attack homosexuals, liberals, recreational drug users, and impoverished African Americans. You simply won't.

Your beliefs directly contradict the supposition that you really care about your fellow Americans. You hate most of them.

YesYNot says

Tenpoundbass says

Yeah remember that time Trump called for the Russia reset then gave him 50% of our Uranium reserve?

Care to back up that statement? I'd be interested to see the 'gave' part and the '50%' part in print.

O course he can't. Questioning the talking point is heresy. But, of course, there's always a reason that no evidence exists to back up the talking point. It's being suppressed. Yeah, it's always being suppressed. Just like what the government is doing with all the alien spaceships that have crashed on Earth. They want to keep us in the dark, but the truth is out there.

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WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Uh, Hillary's Own Agenda called for stapling a Work Visa to every foreign STEM grad's US Diploma.

More fake news from the thunder fake news master. Every foreign STEM masters's and phd diploma, not every foreign STEM diploma. FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS. That felt good.

bob2356 says

More fake news from the thunder fake news master. Every foreign STEM masters's and phd diploma, not every foreign STEM diploma. FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS. That felt good.

OHHHHH, that makes a big difference!! Only the Master's and PhDs!!! Therefore it's all a lie!

Let's get to the core of the matter, without your attempts to belittle what a big fucking slap in the face and undeniably true this insane policy is to STEM students and workers.

It came from her own Agenda. Hillary is NOT the friend of STEM workers, just STEM Corporations.

Hillary did not once mention H-1Bs on the campaign, except in one interview to express it was "Heartbreaking" when Americans have to train their H1-B Replacements. If we had an honest, non-Oligarch Concentrated media, they'd point out that H1-Bs have only been justified to remedy shortages of trained personnel. Not to replace Trained Americans with Foreigners, which is a frequent use of them (McDonalds, Siemens, Disney, etc etc.)

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3096103/it-careers/the-h-1b-positions-of-clinton-and-trump.html

Her voting record is full of pro H-1B votes, like Obama she has held that any H1-B reform be tied to Comprehensive Mass Immigration Expansion (aka "Reform").

In contrast, laid-off H1-B replaced Disney IT workers were a constant feature at multiple Trump Rallies.

jazz music says

The really amazing thing is that these right wing faithful can't seem to see the monster infrastructure and realize that there is a purpose to all these tens of billions of dollars invested to eviscerate the will of the people.

Like Hillary's long standing ties to Tata Consulting. Obama's to Citigroup. Both of their roles in instigating massive civil wars that killed 100s of thousands of people and where there still is no stable government. They only want to talk about a few lynchings from generations past and assign malignant motives to Rust Belt Working Class Families.

Democrats actually don't care about bread and butter job issues, because they benefit as landlords and are immune due to tenure, inherited wealth, or credentialism protected professions.

The few that do are marginalized Progressives that the Clintonistas keep far from the levers of power, only rolling them out periodically to fire up the base. There's an analogous sub-group of the Republicans too.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

OHHHHH, that makes a big difference!!

Coming from the man who screams fake news, fake news, fake news over a misplaced comma if it's in the MSM. Too funny.

jazz music says

He's got nothing so he pulls out his pud and his tactics book "If you got nothing you change the subject and prove something else."

Hillary outraised the fuck out of Trump. Her Foundation squeezed money out of countless domestic and foreign corporations (and governments). If you're making a point about billions in influence, don't sidestep that of your last candidate, because it doesn't help your case.

1963 - 2016: Don't Automatically Trust the CIA and FBI! They lie!
2016 - Onward: Automatically Trust the CIA and FBI! The Deep State is on our Side!

2008-2016: Stop with these baseless investigations, Months already, not a shred of evidence.
2016-Onward: More investigations, despite months without a shred of evidence!

We're the Principled Blue Team!

jazz music says

GOP are using established and proven CIA tactics. CIA has declassified their destabilization playbook and it looks like GOP is using every part of it. Just as they have in Chilé, Nicaragua, Honduras, and many many more over the last 40 years since Nixon's social warfare against certain people, e.g. Jews.

Great! I'm not taking the CIA automatically at their word - especially when the seem to be engaging in the destabilization playbook against an Elected Government.

Let me help Blue Team:

1. Concentrate on why you lost
2. Stop throwing bullshit on the wall and look for actually bad, demonstrable shit to throw at the wall.
3. Discuss H1-Bs, Labor Market Gluts, etc. and create a program to address these issues.
4. Stop the Social Warfare against Whites by bringing up race and identity politics when you get criticized or try to explain away a loss in purple and formerly democratic states.

jazz music says

GOP are using established and proven CIA tactics.

Good for them, at least it's home grown! In the same way the left uses KGB tactics:

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Tim Aurora says

Unemployment is not welfare.

As far as Fort Wayne is concerned, it is. I was addressing his accusations.

FortWayne says

Democrats = welfare handout and no jobs

Fort Wayne would consider those in the unemployment line as welfare queens. However, my point is that spending on all these social safety net programs is less than half of military spending during peace time.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

When Bob danced around like a Palestinian with the bloody shirt of a holy suicide bombing martyr with my "every" mistake, he dodged addressing the fundamental fact that Hillary's Own Agenda was pro-Corporate, anti-Employee by further expanding the already glutted labor market to reduce the wages and employment of highly educated Americans.

Is there a point here? Are you really trying to sell that the republicans are defenders of the working man against the awful corporatist democrats? LOL. Really, you want to push that turkey? Is there any chance of your very serious case of trump ass sucking syndrome being treated before it becomes terminal?

WTF is trump going to do for the working man. Immigration? He'll deport just enough illegals for show to keep the based charged up while the rest continue to drive wages down. Bonus points, pump lots of moola to friends of trump building a wall. Worker protections? Going already. Protection from entire towns being poisoned? Going already, mostly in trumpland. Going to bring back coal jobs? Not going to happen. Repeal ACA? The trumptards will take it in the ass big time. Welfare for corporations? Definitely happening, look at the new military budget. Repeal NAFTA? Mexico is sourcing corn from other counties as we speak, the corn growing/trump states are about to be screwed. Finance guys having to tell you what they charge and not screw you to churn up their commissions, fuggedaboutit.

Yep it's good to be a populist president.

I hear lots of left wing talking point lies from you boys, no truth though to it.

Trump is pro jobs, even made h1b hard to get. It's all for employing America. Liberals hate him for that, cuts down on cheap labor they get to abuse.

America first boys. Get used to it Dan.

Jazz, what does left have today other than constant stream of support for gay shit, offshoring Americans, feminism, abortions, Anti gun, and permanent racebaiting. All while calling everyone who disagrees a racist. It's left who are out of touch.

Obamacare is disaster, it's insanely expensive!!!

jazz music says

Decency. Human decency.

Jobs = decency and dignity.
Left is nothing but welfare handouts, and no jobs... since equal outcomes just drives everyone down to lowest common denominator.

$2,000.00 health insurance payments a month courtesy of Obamacare is not decency either.

Jazz there is nothing decent about living in poverty, that's what left offers.

FortWayne says

support for gay shit, offshoring Americans, feminism, abortions, Anti gun, and permanent racebaiting.

some more:
- demanding free shit from the gov
- trying to get their hands on money they didn't earn

Maybe some people just knowingly prefer the propaganda. Ignorance is bliss, well, in this case, not exactly bliss.

It goes something like this: "I want daddy to make everything better, just like papa Reagan supposedly did." It's the authoritarian personality, and times are too scary and too difficult to go with logic and reasoning, or to defer to some halfway trustworthy wonks. Instead the authoritarian listens to his fears and goes with maybe Alex Jones and or a bunch of bullshit populous con artistry.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

FortWayne says

I hear lots of left wing talking point lies from you boys, no truth though to it.

Trump is pro jobs, even made h1b hard to get. It's all for employing America. Liberals hate him for that, cuts down on cheap labor they get to abuse.

America first boys. Get used to it Dan.

Fort Wayne, your baseless assertions and accusations are as persuasive as a two-year-old throwing a tantrum. Some of us actually read and listen to real news and thus are informed and educated. Saying a president is "pro jobs" just sounds stupid. Like any president ever was in favor of mass unemployment and a shitty economy. You really need to move beyond the "my team good, your team bad" stage of life.

Anyone who thinks that liberals hate a president because he lowers unemployment is just batshit crazy. That's just a delusional statement. But if you don't think that, then you are a liar and not a particularly smart one. A lie is supposed to be plausible. The lie that your opponents want mass unemployment because they hate America is not a plausible lie. Telling such a lie only makes one look like an idiot.

FortWayne says

Trump is pro jobs, even made h1b hard to get. It's all for employing America. Liberals hate him for that, cuts down on cheap labor they get to abuse.

Oh yes, libertarian conservative big business is all about expensive labor and they have been lobbying to cut down on h1b's forever. Look at all the money they are pouring into the liberal election campaigns. You are way above average amusing today.

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

some more:

- demanding free shit from the gov

- trying to get their hands on money they didn't earn

That would be corporate agriculture, big oil, coal industry, logging, defence contractors, airlines, boeing, car makers, wall street, drug industry, fast food, real estate you are talking about? Got it.

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.