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Is "based" a new term? What exactly does it mean?

Hey, if it gets you out of Mom's basement, it gets you out of Mom's basement, at least for a while.

Dan8267 says

Is "based" a new term? What exactly does it mean?

I think it means you have your opinion and your own way of doing things and don't give two shits what others think.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I think it means you have your opinion and your own way of doing things and don't give two shits what others think.

Then the honey badger is the most based animal.

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Except one side is being paid to do this.

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zzyzzx says

The conservative left is conservative. And all conservative tribes throw tantrums when they don't get their way. You cannot point to a single historical instance of liberals throwing a tantrum. Go ahead and try. If you give an example of the conservative left, however, then you prove my point that conservatives are babies.

Dan8267 says

This is the modern equivalent of bloods vs crypts except with pussies who act like thugs, and both sides are thugs.

Total false equivalence. There is a fundamental difference between violently shutting down another group's 1st amendment rights and defending yourself. There's a fundamental difference between throwing bricks into a crowd and punching someone who threatens you.

Dan8267 says

The conservative left is conservative.

They aren't liberal, but they are on team liberal. Team liberal is also not liberal. Similarly conservative has no definition... its just a team.

Libertarians are the only liberals left.

CBOEtrader says

They aren't liberal, but they are on team liberal.

No they aren't on team liberal. We liberals would not accept them, nor would they accept our platform.

CBOEtrader says

Team liberal is also not liberal.

That's an oxymoron.

CBOEtrader says

Similarly conservative has no definition... its just a team.

There are several conservative teams. They have different agendas, but they all use the same tactics and accept the same principles.

CBOEtrader says

Libertarians are the only liberals left.

Libertarians are hardly liberal.

CBOEtrader says

There is a fundamental difference between violently shutting down another group's 1st amendment rights and defending yourself.

Yes, there is, but both sides are perfectly OK with shutting down the other side's First Amendment rights. For example, the conservative right has no problem outlawing flag burning or imposing religious laws, called blue laws, in the United States.

Dan8267 says

Libertarians are hardly liberal.

Explain what you mean? I see the "liberals" as very anti-liberal. The SJW agenda is thinly veiled totalitarianism. Doesnt sound like you agree w that agenda, which is refreshing. Most liberals disagree with you.

CBOEtrader says

I see the "liberals" as very anti-liberal.

"Liberal" is not a self-identifying term any more "American citizen" is. There are tens of millions of illegal aliens who self-identify as American citizens. Do you consider them to be actual U.S. citizens? If not, then why do you think any fool calling himself a liberal is one.

The fact is that liberalism is the best political philosophy ever created. It has earned a damn good reputation over the past 300 years. Because of this, groups that have nothing to do with liberalism and in fact oppose the principles of liberalism have tried to suck the good reputation dry for their own benefits like marketing vampires. That does not change the 300 years of liberal text and policies or the nature of liberalism.

A liberal, by definition, believes
1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.
2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.
3. Government should be transparent and accountable for its actions.

A conservative, by definition, is the opposite and believes
1. People are not equal under law. Some people should have more rights than others, and some people should have privileges.
2. People should not be allowed to do what they want even if it does not affect others. People should conform to a state-sponsored culture.
3. The government should not be held accountable for its actions and not punished for crimes.

For more details see Leftists and Social Justice Warriors are Conservatives. I go into great detail about what different conservative tribes there are and why and how they believe the later three points.

Any person who rejects the former three points is not a liberal by definition no matter how much they sequel about being one. A person who believes in a god is not an atheist. A person who rejects the divinity of Christ is not a Christian. An illegal alien is not a U.S. citizen. A guy who chops off his dick is not a woman. It does not matter what you say you are. What matters is whether or not you follow the political philosophy. The conservative left rejects liberalism as much as the conservative right. Libertarians also reject all three principles.

CBOEtrader says

The SJW agenda is thinly veiled totalitarianism.

Which is why SJW violate the definition of liberal.

CBOEtrader says

Most liberals disagree with you.

Correction. Most people labeled liberal by the conservative right disagree with me and liberalism. The conservative right cannot make any justifiable argument against liberalism, so they build a straw man out of the conservative left by calling them liberals. This is guilt by false association. It would be like if the conservative left referred to the right as pedophiles and repeated lies about all republicans being kiddie fuckers and promoting toddler rape. Imagine if they repeated that lie over and over again until the brainwashed masses thought that the conservative right was all about child rape. You might have an objection to that.

I have an open challenge to anyone in the world to argue against me that liberalism is a bad philosophy. Sure, there are intelligent arguments that could be made against liberalism -- none that I find convincing -- but no one dares even to attempt to do this. Instead everyone attacks straw men, and that's a clear sign of a weak position.

I would love to have an intelligent debate with a reasonable person on whether or not actual liberalism is good. The other side could argue that transparency threatens national security, or that the police should have rights that citizens do not, or that some cultural norms like wearing clothes in public are important to enforce even though they are completely arbitrary. At least such a debate would be a challenge. But no one seems to have the honesty or integrity to take up this challenge.

Dan8267 says

Because of this, groups that have nothing to do with liberalism and in fact oppose the principles of liberalism have tried to suck the good reputation dry for their own benefits like marketing vampires.

Yes, like the democrats.

Dan8267 says

That does not change the 300 years of liberal text and policies or the nature of liberalism.

The only group who politically adheres to liberalism are the libertarians. Constitutionally limited federal government, state rights, and personal liberties both fiscal and social. These are the tenets which libertarians espouse, yet democrats (and republicans ofc) reject.

Dan8267 says

I would love to have an intelligent debate with a reasonable person on whether or not actual liberalism is good. The other side could argue that transparency threatens national security, or that the police should have rights that citizens do not, or that some cultural norms like wearing clothes in public are important to enforce even though they are completely arbitrary. At least such a debate would be a challenge. But no one seems to have the honesty or integrity to take up this challenge.

You sound like a libertarian. Why do you vote D? Lessor of evils?

Dan8267 says

A conservative, by definition, is the opposite and believes

1. People are not equal under law. Some people should have more rights than others, and some people should have privileges.

2. People should not be allowed to do what they want even if it does not affect others. People should conform to a state-sponsored culture.

3. The government should not be held accountable for its actions and not punished for crimes.

This describes both the D's and R's. In fact, these are about the only issues they agree on. It's all the irrelevant BS wherein they disagree.

CBOEtrader says

Yes, like the democrats.

I've said many times that there are damn few liberal democrats. The only reason I vote for them is that the alternative is a far greater evil. However, I've always been in favor of election reform to eliminate this problem.

Saying that the democrats are bad does not justify supporting republicans who are worse.

CBOEtrader says

Constitutionally limited federal government, state rights, and personal

Not at all. They violate all three principles.

1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.
Libertarians believe in the freedom to buy privileges.

2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.
Libertarians believe in allowing pollution, which violates public property rights.

3. Government should be transparent and accountable for its actions.
Libertarians believe that individuals should be allowed to make backroom deals with politicians.

Libertarians are hardly liberal in any sense of the word. The Koch brothers are perfect examples of this.

CBOEtrader says

You sound like a libertarian.

Not even remotely. Libertarians may release deceptive propaganda claiming to believe in liberty and rights, but they do not as indicated above.

Furthermore, a typical libertarian view is that the solution to over-fishing is to privatize the oceans. They justify this plan with the assertion that a private owner would not kill the goose that lays the golden egg. This is, of course, nonsense. A private owner would gladly turn himself into a multibillionaire even at the cost of driving all fish to extinction. What does he care about money after he's dead. Billions now is worth more than trillions in the grave.

CBOEtrader says

Why do you vote D? Lessor of evils?

Exactly. Democrats are usually the lesser of the two evils. In the last election Hillary was the greater evil simply because allowing her to win would have doomed the democratic party to 40 or more years of being under the control of neocons. Because the last election was a pivotal point in transitioning to a seventh party system, a democratic defeat was preferable to allowing neocons to prosper in the DNC. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war, and the political machinery behind the parties is far more important than any one president even a loose cannon moron like Trump. I think long term.

CBOEtrader says

This describes both the D's and R's.

Yes, it does. But degrees matter, and the republicans are a much higher degree of evil controlled by much scarier special interests. I hate the teacher's union, but they cannot do nearly as much harm as big coal and big oil. I'll take minor monsters over Kaiju every day.

A person grabs the tail of a democrat.

Republicans during a night out on the town.

If these are my only choices, I'll take the former.