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Compelling argument there CBOE.

I'm guessing that he ignored you becasue he saw the way you argued yesterday, when you started saying that the teeny tiny fraction of the American left that is whacked out authoritarian, is somehow a deeply dangerous force in America and potentially risking our becoming like Nazi Germany.

Speaking of the Nazi's, there's a great documentary on reddit today that's long and I haven't finished, about the ways that TPTB manipulate the masses with propaganda targeting irrational unconscious desires, and how a big part of what the Nazis pulled off was based on the solidarity elicited by hating "the other," i.e. Jews, Gypsys, etc.

Isn't that similar to what 's happening today with Muslims. ? They're so easy to hate. You can cite terrorism. Great way to get the people on your side to bring a dangerous leaders (like Trump) to power. Of course Mexicans too. And China. Thank goodness the French are not dimwitted enough to be so easily manipulated.

Here's that documentary:www.youtube.com/embed/eJ3RzGoQC4s

"The century of Self"

CBOEtrader says

Bill is an idiot

Why not meanie poopy head ? I'm guessing this has to do with other times that Bill has contradicted you about monetary policy or whatever. You know he's not an idiot. Not wanting to engage you (at least these days - when the Trump phenomenon is so adversely affecting you emotionally) shows him to be smart actually.

marcus says

you started saying that the teeny tiny fraction of the American left that is whacked out authoritarian, is somehow a deeply dangerous force in America and potentially risking our becoming like Nazi Germany.

You are mistaken. Antifa is a natural and expected consequence of a left that consistently categorizes wrong-thinkers as nazis. Our school system is brainwashing kids from the time they are 3 to fall in line, just like the nazis did. Bill did exactly this with his propagandized french nazi flag. All of you who blame trump on racism are part of the problem. Antifa are to today's left what the hitler youth were to the nazis.... or maybe the Jews were just overreacting to a few thousand angry children too. Get your collective head out of your asses before this gets worse please.

I'll check out the docementary. Thanks for sharing.

CBOEtrader says

Get your collective head out of your asses before this gets worse please.

Otherwise I guess a right wing dictatorship might be the only solution. Am I right ?

CBOEtrader says

Our school system is brainwashing kids from the time they are 3 to fall in line

This is basically a parody of a right wing buffoon. You need to lay off of the far right nonsense.

What is it ? The pledge of allegiance ? The idea that democracy works ? What are the tenets of evil liberal dogma children are being taught ?

Every time I see a whole thread devoted to poster X calling poster Y an idiot, it makes me think a little bit less of poster X.

YesYNot says

Every time I see a whole thread devoted to poster X calling poster Y an idiot, it makes me think a little bit less of poster X.

People who normalize antifa violence need to be called out. The nazis on the left need to reflect on their own mistakes.

I really don't care what you think of me.

marcus says

What are the tenets of evil liberal dogma children are being taught ?

They are taught that different opinions equals violent hate speech. They are taught that white privilege and the patriarchy are to blame for all their problems. They are taught that they are interesectionally oppressed. They are taught that the ethically responsible response to this oppression is violence to shut down free speech.

Look at any wrong thinker giving a talk on campus in the last 3 years to see the madness

You have to be willfully blind to not see it. As already noted, you don't care because it doesn't affect you.

Meanwhile youtube/FB/google are censoring any political dissidents. In Europe people are being arrested for wrong think. This is getting Orwellian as fuck.... But you don't care because it doesn't effect you.

Wake up, you nazis. Your freedoms will be on the chopping block next.

CBOEtrader says

In Europe people are being arrested for wrong think.

This is especially disturbing.

I'm pretty damn sure the holocaust happened, but no one should ever be fined or jailed for saying that it did not.

http://www.newsweek.com/former-german-lawyer-imprisoned-holocaust-denial-second-time-309725

rando says

CBOEtrader says

In Europe people are being arrested for wrong think.

This is especially disturbing.

I'm pretty damn sure the holocaust happened, but no one should ever be fined or jailed for saying that it did not.

http://www.newsweek.com/former-german-lawyer-imprisoned-holocaust-denial-second-time-309725

Unfortunately the shortsighted supporters of the mainstream left simply dont care, since it doesnt affect them...yet. It will. Taking down the "Nazis" free thinkers is only the first step.

I like Bill, but on Immigration he is closed minded, and a wee bit inconsistent.

He loathes any restrictions on immigration, but yet plans to move to Japan, the most immigrant-unfriendly country on Earth and almost entirely homogenous.

Update: I see I'm pre-banned from the thread before saying anything. Typical Neoliberal Extremist who doesn't want debate on the Impeccable, Unquestionable Holy Ideology.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I like Bill, but on Immigration he is closed minded, and a wee bit inconsistent.

He loathes any restrictions on immigration, but yet plans to move to Japan, the most immigrant-unfriendly country on Earth and almost entirely homogenous.

It is impossible for today's left to be intellectually consistent. Today's left are equal to the 2005 neo-cons, w less honest self reflection.

CBOEtrader says

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I like Bill, but on Immigration he is closed minded, and a wee bit inconsistent.

He loathes any restrictions on immigration, but yet plans to move to Japan, the most immigrant-unfriendly country on Earth and almost entirely homogenous.

It is impossible for today's left to be intellectually consistent. Today's left are equal to the 2005 neo-cons, w less honest self reflection.

Thank Jesus we have the independents to save us by voting all Republican. All the time

errc says

CBOEtrader says

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I like Bill, but on Immigration he is closed minded, and a wee bit inconsistent.

He loathes any restrictions on immigration, but yet plans to move to Japan, the most immigrant-unfriendly country on Earth and almost entirely homogenous.

It is impossible for today's left to be intellectually consistent. Today's left are equal to the 2005 neo-cons, w less honest self reflection.

Thank Jesus we have the independents to save us by voting all Republican. All the time

Unless you count ron paul, ive never voted for an R or a D presidential candidate. I will vote for Trump in the next election if the left continues to degenerate.

CBOEtrader says

errc says

CBOEtrader says

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I like Bill, but on Immigration he is closed minded, and a wee bit inconsistent.

He loathes any restrictions on immigration, but yet plans to move to Japan, the most immigrant-unfriendly country on Earth and almost entirely homogenous.

It is impossible for today's left to be intellectually consistent. Today's left are equal to the 2005 neo-cons, w less honest self reflection.

Thank Jesus we have the independents to save us by voting all Republican. All the time

Unless you count ron paul, ive never voted for an R or a D presidential candidate. I will vote for Trump in the next election if the left continues to degenerate.

Ron Paul and Trump have one thing in common: they are both Republicans. Not that there's anything wrong with that

CBOEtrader says

They are taught that different opinions equals violent hate speech.

No they are not taught that. It's a lie and you're making it up. 95% of liberals at college don't believe this either. This is what happens when you drink the right wing cool aid.

CBOEtrader says

They are taught that the ethically responsible response to this oppression is violence to shut down free speech.

What kind of person thinks that when there are 10, or 100, or even 500 kids in the united states that think this way, that therefore this is what they have been taught in school ? I wish you had an idea of how stupid this sounds. I guarantee you that any self respecting conservative such as George Will would call you out for this idiocy.

Lay off the Alex Jones, Sean Hannity and the rest of the right wing retards. The hate might make you feel good, but it's actually that kind of thinking that leads to fascism. CBOEtrader says

Look at any wrong thinker giving a talk on campus in the last 3 years to see the madness

You have to be willfully blind to not see it.

Actually nobody is telling you about the times that Milo, or Christine Hauf Summers weren't t shut down by a group of 40 idiots.

Where's your common sense man ? I'm not denying the problem with the regressive right. I'm just telling you that it's probably 1/100th the size of the Tea Party ("there will be death panels") that wouldn't let their representatives speak at town hall meetings. Oh, but that's different.

Yes, the regressive left, SJW types exist. And they most of my students would think they are idiots, if they try to shut down a talk on their campus.

CBOEtrader says

Wake up, you nazis. Your freedoms will be on the chopping block next.

I think what we need is a right wing dictator to make sure things don't go that way here. Am I right ?

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

They are taught that different opinions equals violent hate speech.

No they are not taught that.

Yup. You are willfully blind because it doesnt affect you. This is why we are doomed.

CBOE, you really need to get out more. That right wing media is seriously messing with your mind. I get it that you like thinking that what the 10 craziest left wingers in the country are doing is what all democrats are doing. But it's just stupid. Why don't you reflect a little but on your sense of proportion. Stop getting so hyperbolic about the behavior of a teensy tiny segment of the country.

MAybe you know how stupid you sound, and this is meant as turn about for people generalizing that Trump voters are racist ? What the hell are you thinking ?

If anything, Trumps election is waking up a lot of liberals to being cautious about identity politics becasue they have seen how it triggers the dimbulbs

marcus says

CBOE, you really need to get out more. That right wing media is seriously messing with your mind. I get it that you like thinking that what the 10 craziest left wingers in the country are doing is what all democrats are doing. But it's just stupid. Why don't you reflect a little but on your sense of proportion. Stop getting so hyperbolic about the behavior of a teensy tiny segment of the country.

MAybe you know how stupid you sound, and this is meant as turn about for people generalizing that Trump voters are racist ? What the hell are you thinking ?

Sticking your head in the sand doesnt help the censorship on youtube/google/FB against wrong think. It doesnt help those who are imprisoned in Europe for wrongthink.

Show me where anything like this is happening to the left. You can't.

You are willfully blind because it doesn't affect you. Open your eyes before our liberties are gone. You can't walk down the street in Austin TX with a Trump hat on w/o being threatened. This is A LOT more than 500 people. It's thousands of snowflakes in each school. They are churning out brainwashed masses in their gender studies department, and forcing the cult of diversity on all students.

Nothing like this is coming from the right. The longer you ignore the truth, the worse its going to get, and the greater the chance that Trump will be elected again.
Wake up!

Perhaps you have missed celebrities and MSM journalists inciting violence against the right. I mean, CNN wont talk about it so it doesnt happen right? You have been lied to.

CBOEtrader says

Yup. You are willfully blind because it doesnt affect you.

Tell me what evidence you have other than the times that 20 to 40 students on a campus of 20,000 students disrupt a Milo event. Even if it was 200 that's one percent of a college.

I didn't think so. You're from the alternative facts world aren't you.

It is true that public schools aren't teaching kids the virtues of "fuck you, I've got mine," or supply side voodoo economics. But they sure aren't teaching kids the things that you fantasize they are. And it would affect me if they were. I work with children all the time, and I know they don't think that way.

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

Yup. You are willfully blind because it doesnt affect you.

Tell me what evidence you have other than the times that 20 to 40 students on a campus of 20,000 students disrupt a Milo event. Even if it was 200 that's one percent of a college.

I didn't think so. You're from the alternative facts world aren't you.

It is true that public schools aren't teaching kids the virtues of "fuck you, I've got mine," or supply side voodoo economics. But they sure aren't teaching kids the things that you fantasize they are. And it would affect me if they were. I work with children all the time, and I know they don't think that way.

The Berkeley protest was thousands. You are absolutely and probably wrong. I accept your apology.

So you get your opinion from right wing media, I get mine from interacting with hundreds of kids every year. Who has a better idea what they think. Teaching how to debate and critical thinking is a part of every childs education.

What they aren't taught is what you believe, which is that making up facts counts as a legitimate argument. Or that asserting something over and over makes it true. They are taught that they should be able to support their opinions with evidence.

This problem is contained in the gender studies and other psuedo college majors that are for students that can't handle getting a real degree (not even a real liberal arts degree).

marcus says

So you get your opinion from right wing media

No. I form my opinion on verifiable facts. I don't watch TV at all. I don't have one in my home or office.

For ex you can prove that the KKK fwar mongering was a liberal media fake narrative. They received more press per member than the Dallas cowboys.

marcus says

This problem is contained in the gender studies and other psuedo college majors that are for students that can't handle getting a real degree (not even a real liberal arts degree).

Yes eliminating these programs would he a huge step in the right direction.

This is a larger cultural movement however. Look at celebrities calling for violence against trump supporters. Look at the censorship. Look at the gleeful support of oppression when that SEO businessman announced he would never work w or hire a registered R. Look at the actual violence that happened just last week on UT campus and the many, many incidents over the last year. Look at the people who are imprisoned for questioning immigration policies.

None of this is happening to the left. If it were all of you would be screaming bloody murder.

But you arent. You don't care because its not happening to real people, just trump supporters.

Until you and your ilk change your attitude it will continue to get worse. This has never happened before in my lifetime.

For the record, im glad your experience suggests that most high school students do not think this way. Do you mind sharing the race/political breakdown of your students?

rando says

I'm pretty damn sure the holocaust happened, but no one should ever be fined or jailed for saying that it did not.

Yeah, nobody should be jailed for Holocaust Denial. The whole idea behind Free Speech is not only to let good ideas be heard, but the bad ones so people are periodically reminded why they are bad ideas.

The idea that this is even a thing is more evidence that Neoliberalism is happy to dump Free Speech in order to advance the Borderless Multicult cause.

CBOEtrader says

For ex you can prove that the KKK fwar mongering was a liberal media fake narrative. They received more press per member than the Dallas cowboys.

They're so biased they can be easy trolled into thinking certain hand signals represent "White Power"

i drink milk at every meal, and before bedtime.

Gangsta!

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I see I'm pre-banned from the thread before saying anything.

Me2 :) That's one of the reasons why I created an all purpose reply thread.

curious2 says

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I see I'm pre-banned from the thread before saying anything.

Me2 :) That's one of the reasons why I created an all purpose reply thread.

he legit banned everyone who might disagree, haha. This is thunderdome, bill can explain himself if he likes.

Le Pen is "right-wing" only because the media hates her. She is decidedly center-left (or even hard-left) by most definitions.

CBOEtrader says

Look at celebrities calling for violence against trump supporters. Look at the censorship. Look at the gleeful support of oppression when that SEO businessman announced he would never work w or hire a registered R. Look at the actual violence that happened just last week on UT campus and the many, many incidents over the last year. Look at the people who are imprisoned for questioning immigration policies.

Each of these is happening in very small numbers. Each incident is a big RW media deal, and some are very probably started by paid thugs on the pay roll of right wingers for the purpose of mindless fear mongering (btw you're proof that it works).

If not TV then honestly what ? Drudge ? T-Lips ? What ?

Imprisoned for questioning immigration policies ? What ?

I'd rather not give you specific demographics of my school. It's less than 20% white, but it doesn't feel that way. Latino is well represented as are various asian. Fairly small percentages of black and other. They're liberal, but would seem like very normal kids to you. Like kids you knew when you were young, except not as white. A lot are from good families.

About the protests, take Berkley for example. If you look into the little rough protests they've had, those were mostly outsiders, not Berkley students. In other cases we're talking very small numbers that it takes to shout down Milo or whomever. Very small numbers compared to the Tea Party jerks that wouldn't let the legislators talk at the town hall meetings in the summer of '09 about health care. Butthen they say many of those were paid. I think some of the Trump protesters are paid too. By the right. It keeps the right wingers from giving up on Trump.

CBOEtrader says

This is a larger cultural movement however

No. Although I am with the resistance in a way. That is I find having a President as unstable and dishonest as Trump frightening. I think he's a con artist who even himself knows that he's in way over his head. Very weird circumstances that led to this, primarily economic. In my view it's way more about jobs than it is political correctness. Trump sold them on his improving the job market. It's crazy what Comey did. Trump is almost certain to go down in history as the all time worst President in history, that is if there even is much history after he's thorough.

But hey, he's great for you taxes. That's the important thing, right ? There's always that !! So keep on spinning the bullshit.

CBOEtrader says

You can't walk down the street in Austin TX with a Trump hat on w/o being threatened.

Wow, that place has sure changed in the 20 years I've been away.

CBOE , from my vantage point you're in way worse a bubble than even those gander studies SJWs. DOn't get me wrong, those people disgust me. But you're completely loony tunes at this point.

I blame Trump. Maybe it's the bubble of people you hang around on the floor ? We're talking WAY THE HELL out of touch with reality. I suppose the most compelling part of your argument (in your mind) is that I just don't know becasue it doesn't affect me. You do realize that's no argument at all right ?

I've heard the stories about violence, and sure, a lot of people are EXTREMELY upset about Trump. But with very good reason. He's dismantling so much that's great about this country, and he's not going to do any of the things he promised for poor white folks. So you're going to need more of these fantasies about the left, to keep them backing Trumpigula.

If anti-trump people were being banned on youtube/google/fB or arrested in Europe, or had bricks thrown at their heads every time they tried to speak out... you'd definitely be singing another tune.

The fact that you cant even admit how bad the censorship and oppression already are is very telling. This is proof that people just dont care until it effects them directly. At that point it will be too late.

marcus says

If you look into the little rough protests they've had, those were mostly outsiders, not Berkley students

First hand reports contradict this.

marcus says

I think some of the Trump protesters are paid too. By the right. It keeps the right wingers from giving up on Trump.

Despite the fact that WE KNOW team hillary paid trolls, you choose to project this onto the right w zero evidence. Dude, you havent addressed a single issue, you simply deflect into this "but what about them there bad R's..." meanwhile your team is inciting ALL the violence, doing ALL the oppressing, ALL the censoring, and ALL the MSM lying.

Im sure CNN agrees w you so you must be right though. Right guys? Right?

This is weak man.

CBOEtrader says

They are taught that different opinions equals violent hate speech. They are taught that white privilege and the patriarchy are to blame for all their problems. They are taught that they are interesectionally oppressed. They are taught that the ethically responsible response to this oppression is violence to shut down free speech.

You want to back that up with some facts or is it true because you believe it should be true. I've got 2 kids in school and it's not happening in any public school I've been in.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.html
http://www.theblaze.com/podcasts/matt-walsh-parents-hollywood-wants-to-brainwash-your-kids-dont-let-them/
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/26/drexel-university-professor-says-the-only-thing-he-wanted-for-christmas-was-white-genocide/
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/2/6/berkeley-free-speech/
http://www.salon.com/2017/04/28/sportscenter-anchor-suggests-espns-massive-layoffs-due-to-networks-liberal-agenda/
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tv-executives-admit-taped-interviews-193116
http://www.salon.com/2017/04/28/sportscenter-anchor-suggests-espns-massive-layoffs-due-to-networks-liberal-agenda/
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2011/05/31/is-sesame-street-spreading-left-wing-propaganda-exec-admits-yes/
http://www.businessinsider.com/proof-of-liberal-bias-in-hollywood-media-and-academia-2014-11
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4194048/KATIE-HOPKINS-liberal-brainwashing-schools.html
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/what-explains-the-idiocy-of-the-liberal-elite-its-their-education/
http://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-k-8-school-teaches-white-students-theyre-born-racist/
https://www.amazon.com/Campus-White-Men-Transformation-Indoctrination/dp/1944229620
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8590/state-university-now-offers-stop-white-people-pardes-seleh

Do you want more?