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Having had some time to think about these articles, the statistic that really leaps out at me is the comparison between Freedom House scores and Muslim population.

"Freedom House publishes an annual report on Freedom in the World, which ranks 210 countries and territories on political rights and civil liberties on a scale of 1 (most free) to 7 (least free) and assigns a composite rating of “Free,” “Partly Free,” or “Not Free.”

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Of the 132 countries with 20 percent or less Muslim population, 62 percent are considered free and only 14 percent are deemed not free...Only four [of the 86] countries ranked “Free” have a Muslim population in excess of 20 percent."

In other words:

Muslims less than 20% of the population, 62% free

Muslims more than 20% of the population, 5% free

That dramatic disparity reflects what I consider the Weimar threshold: when the Nazis got to be more than 20% of the population, they achieved critical mass and took over. The combination of vigilante violence, plus outnumbering and permeating the police and military and government, proved too powerful to resist.

Remember also that 100k European Muslims, including substantially all eligible Bozniaks, joined the Nazi SS citing the similarities among their beliefs. Remember when the Clinton administration bombed our Serbian allies to protect the Bozniak Muslims, including Hillary Clinton claiming (falsely) to have landed under fire at Tuzla airport? The Clintons sided with their corporate and Saudi clients, and against America's allies.

On present trend, France and Belgium will hit 20% Muslim within one generation. The people trying to import Islam into NATO countries are bringing on WWIII, and they are on the Nazi/Muslim side.

curious2 says

On present trend, France and Belgium will hit 20% Muslim within one generation

So obviously that is a big problem. I agree that too much of anything too soon will overwhelm the culture. I am sure the English in western Virginia abhorred the polish and Czechs coming in massive waves to mine the coal. Same with the Southern US border - or even one generation ago in Miami with little havanna. Likewise, if we had a real threat of even - 10% of our population - 30 million MENA immigrants arriving in the next 20 years - I would go apeshit.

However, I think we are a long way from that - at least as far as the US is concerned. The first group I noted above is mostly assimilated - (but you do find "hollers" where the old folks speak Hungarian to each other) and I think the others are on their way to that as well - albeit we adopted theirs in part with tex-mex cuisine and mufongo. That said, I would watch Deerborn MI and other clusters like that like a hawk - but for the guys I know, some who are the 1.5 generation and 2nd generation muslims, the fervor to kill the infidels - dies off when you have al the distractions of western culture at your disposal.

somecrappynumber says

or the guys I know, some who are the 1.5 generation and 2nd generation muslims, the fervor to kill the infidels - dies off when you have al the distractions of western culture at your disposal.

I wish it were so, but no.

http://www.islam.ru/en/content/news/second-generation-dutch-muslims-becoming-more-religious
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/denmark-muslims-218-percent-more-criminal-in-2nd-generation-than-first

There's even a movie about this phenomenon:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/my_son_the_fanatic/

rando says

I wish it were so, but no.

http://www.islam.ru/en/content/news/second-generation-dutch-muslims-becoming-more-religious

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/denmark-muslims-218-percent-more-criminal-in-2nd-generation-than-first

There's even a movie about this phenomenon:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/my_son_the_fanatic/

Exactly. Omar Mateen was born in the USA, and had been to Orlando Pulse more than a dozen times before he went full Muslim and murdered 50 people, injuring 50 more. One of the San Bernardino murderers was also born in the USA. Note the many similarities between those two Islamic family plans even though they happened 3,000 mles apart.

In the UK, the dole subsidizes polygamous families (but only if they're Muslim), with the result that extremely religious Muslims are over-represented at every generation. In Birmingham, now 21% Muslim, state schools are already censoring the standard curriculum to remove anything un-Islamic, and discriminating against non-Muslims. The terrorist who blew himself up at an Ariana Grande concert was born in the UK. Young British Muslims are much more likely to demand Sharia than older "Muslims" who emigrated from Islamic Pakistan partly to get away from Islam.

In Germany, the Muslim who murdered 10 people at a mall while shouting "Allahu Akbar" had been born in Germany. This happens around the world.

In SF, I see a growing number of young women in hijabs and even full length Islamic dress, usually with babies, and even young girls are dressing that way. Government and media encourage them to celebrate Islam and they teach their children to do that, but Islam says what it says.

Islam differs fundamentally from the other cultures listed above. It's a totalitarian doctrine that commands imposing a religion and conquest. It's a mistake to equate that with dietary and linguistic preferences, e.g. German sausage & beer vs Mexican tacos & tequila.

rando says

somecrappynumber says

or the guys I know, some who are the 1.5 generation and 2nd generation muslims, the fervor to kill the infidels - dies off when you have al the distractions of western culture at your disposal.

I wish it were so, but no.

So what would you call the people like the ones in my office that don't wear hijabs - and drink alcohol - and sometimes intermarry - and complain about the "fucktards" who blow shit up but call themselves "muslim"? Moreover, what about the nation of islam guys who have been in the US for 85 years and who also call themselves "Muslim"? The latter group does have a history of hate and violence - yet why aren't they (and my employees) strapping on suicide vests or hijacking trucks of peace and killing American infidels en masse?

Civilians, and carriers. Most Nazis didn't join the luftwaffe or kill people in concentration camps. Most were civilians who did the ordinary work of supporting and spreading Nazi doctrine.

BTW, Nazi-era Muslim leaders and the founding Nazis agreed their doctrines were very similar, and 100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS for that reason.

Most Muslims are decent human beings in spite of Islam.

It's the ones who take it very seriously and literally that you have to watch out for.

And they aggressively recruit from the decent folks, instilling the butthurt anger taught by the Koran when those decent guys are feeling rootless or depressed.

curious2 says

Of the 36 countries with 80 percent or more Muslim population, just two (6 percent) are ranked as free and 56 percent are considered not free. Of the 132 countries with 20 percent or less Muslim population, 62 percent are considered free and only 14 percent are deemed not free...Only four countries ranked “Free” have a Muslim population in excess of 20 percent.

There are 54 Islamic nations that are part of the UN, with more to come. And they all have one goal.....To obey the will of Allah and Islamize the world.
There is no other goal of Islam.

somecrappynumber says

So what would you call the people like the ones in my office that don't wear hijabs - and drink alcohol - and sometimes intermarry - and complain about the "fucktards" who blow shit up but call themselves "muslim"?

I would call them good Muslims. I would call them even better Muslims if they gave up Islam altogether.

somecrappynumber says

Moreover, what about the nation of islam guys who have been in the US for 85 years and who also call themselves "Muslim"? The latter group does have a history of hate and violence - yet why aren't they (and my employees) strapping on suicide vests or hijacking trucks of peace and killing American infidels en masse?

You hire people who have a history of hate and violence?
Something tells me you are a Muslim that supports the sharia laws and thinks a pedophile is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

rando says

Most Muslims are decent human beings on spite of Islam.

It's true. I had no problem getting my car done with an Iraqi family owned business, and rental home repairs with another Mid Eastern business owner.
They were honest, gave me good prices, did a great job, and I would gladly refer them to anyone. I wish them well.
But Islam is the breeding ground of terrorists, and must be kicked out of this planet once and for all.
I did notice the auto guys were reluctant to give me their real names. I know they were afraid of prejudice. I will never ever discriminate anyone except for the very religious Muslims. Because it's the religious Muslims who breed terrorists, hate America, and wish us hell. Fuck them.

somecrappynumber says

I agree that too much of anything too soon will overwhelm the culture

Time to drag this out again that I've posted before--this is just a portion of it, but it covers the percentage you talked about:

"When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam Mohammed cartoons). Guyana Muslim 10% India Muslim 13.4% Israel Muslim 16% Kenya Muslim 10% Russia Muslim 10-15% After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia Muslim 32.8% At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Bosnia Muslim 40% Chad Muslim 53.1% Lebanon Muslim 59.7%"

That excerpt comes from Peter Hammond's book Slavery, Terrorism, and Islam, and is also excerpted in a post on Google Groups (of all places):

"How Muslims conquer the world

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris -- car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons."

curious2 says

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims

then start killing each other for a variety of reasons."

It's the only good quality they have.

curious2 says

Peter Hammond's book Slavery, Terrorism, and Islam

Thanks for the source, I'm going to read it.