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Islam and Violence

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Originally from http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!

What most Muslims will say:

Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

Arabic translation الترجمة العربية

See http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for more.

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1549   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2020 Oct 18, 4:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This one speaking in Dutch, with English subtitles.

1550   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2020 Oct 18, 4:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I backpacked around Israel and Palestine about 20 years ago. Each morning, read the print edition of the local English paper with my coffee. Usually that was the Jerusalem Post.

There was a small article about a police story from an Arab village somewhere in the country. The story is about "Arab Israelis".

The article said local police were having a difficult time solving a crime in one of those villages. A young lady was burned to death in a public gathering place. The story said police were following leads from rumors that the young lady had done something to dishonor the family. The problem was, nobody in the village knew anything about anything, even though the murder happened in a public place: not even the family had any information to share.

It was, after all, the Jerusalem Post, which in those days seemed to have a Fox-News sort of right-wing bias. Maybe it was biased reporting.

When I got home to Silicon Valley, I asked a colleague, young engineer who immigrated from Egypt about this. I asked him, if in a liberal democracy with rule of law like Israel, such things happened, or was it a story embellished by the biased media?

Do such things really happen nowadays? His response: ..."...well for me to answer that question, I would have to know what she did to dishonor her family.."....

Sheesh.
1551   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 18, 5:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Note that every such case is Muslims.

Middle Eastern Christians never do these things.

It's Islam that turns people into murderers.
1552   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 18, 8:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://thedonald.win/p/Hrcyt9rm/the-chechen-refugee-who-decapita/c/

The Chechen refugee who decapitated a French history teacher in a Paris suburb on Friday after he showed a caricature of the prophet Muhammad to his pupils was initially refused asylum by Poland.


Poland is right to refuse Muslim immigration.
1553   Blue   ignore (0)   2020 Oct 19, 12:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Poland is right to refuse Muslim immigration.


Polish turns out to be more smarter than the rest.
1554   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 27, 5:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.france24.com/en/20121025-france-muslim-opinion-poll-survey-exposes-french-anxieties-over-islam-mosque-far-right

The role of Islam in France was once again under the spotlight on Thursday after right-wing daily Le Figaro published the results of an opinion poll that suggested 43 percent of French people believe the religion is a “threat” to national identity.

Six out of ten French people believe the influence of Islam in France is “too big” and 43 percent see the religion as a “threat” to national identity, according to the results of an opinion poll published on Thursday.


They are right about that threat, but one should also keep in mind the threat of being murdered by Muslims because they are Muslim.

Islam demands the murder of all who refuse to convert or pay the jizya ransom, as well as all who tell the truth about Mohammed's crimes, even if they quote the Koran and Hadith to tell that truth.

Mohammed robbed caravans, raped captives, and murdered anyone who spoke out against him.
1555   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 29, 8:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/world-leaders-condemn-knife-attack-in-nice-france/

An elderly woman who had come to the church to pray was beheaded around 9 a.m. local time Thursday, BBC News reported, while a man and woman were also killed in the attack.


Islam is the religion of murder.

Islam does not belong in the West at all.

Every mosque is a foreign military base.
1556   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 29, 5:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/former-malaysian-pm-muslims-have-right-be-angry-and-kill-millions-french-people

Former Malaysian PM: "Muslims Have A Right To Be Angry And Kill Millions Of French People"
by Tyler Durden
Thu, 10/29/2020 - 11:35

Update (1130ET): Twitter says part of the thread from Mohamad violates its rules on glorifying violence.. no shit!

Why is he not banned permanently for this kind of genocidal encouragement?

As Summit News' Paul Joseph Watson reported earlier, the former Prime Minister of Malaysia reacted to a series of Islamic terror attacks in France by tweeting, “Muslims have a right to be angry and to kill millions of French people for the massacres of the past.”

Yes, really.

Three people were killed and several injured near a church in the Notre-Dame area of Nice this morning, including one 70-year-old woman who was decapitated. The culprit was a jihadist who yelled “Allahu Akbar” throughout the attack.

Meanwhile, in Avignon, a man wielding a knife while also shouting “Allahu Akbar” was shot dead after trying to attack police officers who were patrolling the street.

In Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, a French guard at the French consulate was also wounded by an attacker.

The attacks followed the beheading of school teacher Samuel Paty in Paris earlier this month by a Chechen jihadist who sought revenge for Paty showing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad to pupils in his class.

Mahathir bin Mohamad, who served twice as the Prime Minister of Malaysia from 1981 to 2003, and again from 2018 to 2020, reacted to the attacks by suggesting that they were completely justified because of France’s colonial past.

“Muslims have a right to be angry and to kill millions of French people for the massacres of the past,” tweeted Mohamad.

The former PM also tweeted, that killing “is not an act that as a Muslim I would approve,” but by suggesting the brutal attacks on innocents in Nice and Paris were somehow understandable, Mohamad is totally excusing them.

“While I believe in the freedom of expression, I do not think it includes insulting other people. You cannot go up to a man and curse him simply because you believe in freedom of speech,” said Mohamad.

2. The killing is not an act that as a Muslim I would approve. But while I believe in the freedom of expression, I do not think it includes insulting other people. You cannot go up to a man and curse him simply because you believe in freedom of speech.
— Dr Mahathir Mohamad (@chedetofficial) October 29, 2020

This is an interesting remark because it basically mirrors what the Pope said after jihadists slaughtered Charlie Hebdo cartoonists in 2015.

Instead of completely condemning the attack, Pope Francis semi-justified the atrocity by commenting, “If my good friend Dr Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch.”

He added: “It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”
1559   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Nov 2, 12:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This will happen over and over and over forever as long as believing Muslims are in the West.

Islam demands the subjugation or murder of all non-Muslims.
1560   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2020 Nov 3, 11:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I say nuke all these Islamic terrorist pigs. Thankfully, the US is not like Europe. The attacker who killed 4 in Vienna was in prison for trying to join ISIS (he is technically Austrian). These idiots released him early, now he thanked them with an attack leaving 4 dead and several injured. This wont happen here unless the radical left gains power.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-1-terrorist-run-1-dead-after-vienna-attack-killed-4
1561   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2020 Nov 3, 11:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
This will happen over and over and over forever as long as believing Muslims are in the West.

Islam demands the subjugation or murder of all non-Muslims.


exactly
1562   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Nov 7, 6:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://spectator.us/best-response-islamism-christianity/

The Christian idea of natural human dignity provided the slogan ‘Am I not a man and a brother?’ for the largely Evangelical-led campaign against the slave trade and then against slavery itself. The radical Enlightenment, on the other hand, ended in the massacres of Robespierre’s Reign of Terror.
1563   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2020 Nov 11, 11:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Potential terror attack in London, Palestinian style car ramming, potential bomb

https://twitter.com/UK_UNIFICATION/status/1326611178060197889?s=20

Amazing how fast we've gone back to the early 2010s. The BBC/Scotland Yard will call it a mental breakdown
1564   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2020 Nov 11, 12:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Europe keeps releasing Jihadis from prison. You cant fix stupid.
1565   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Nov 12, 5:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://news.sky.com/story/reading-knife-attack-khairi-saadallah-pleads-guilty-to-three-murders-12130097

A Libyan refugee, who killed three men in a knife attack in a Reading park, has pleaded guilty to murder.

Khairi Saadallah, 26, launched a two-minute stabbing spree on a group of friends in Forbury Gardens, Reading, shortly before 7pm on Saturday 20 June.

Witnesses reported hearing him shout "Allahu Akbar" [God is great] as he chased two men in the Berkshire park, before turning his attention to a group of five friends sitting nearby.


Refugee my ass.

Islam does not belong in the West at all.

Islam demands the murder of all who do not submit.
1566   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 27, 1:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://reclaimthenet.org/teacher-school-mohammed-protests/

British teacher who showed students cartoons of Mohammed is in hiding after outrage protests form ...

A school teacher from Batley Grammar School in West Yorkshire, England, allegedly showed cartoons of Mohammed to his class, resulting in a protest from Muslims outside the school that was spurred on through social media chatter.

The protest has gathered national attention as thoughts went to last year’s incident in France where a teacher, Samuel Paty, was beheaded after Muslim parents thought a teacher had showed cartoons of Mohammed to his class. (It was later revealed that a student had made up the incident.)

Fears were further heightened when social media users and activists protesting against the West Yorkshire school named the teacher involved on social media – something that had been described as a “thinly-veiled threat” and reported to West Yorkshire Police.


Do we have the right to give our opinion of Islam or not?

Same question: Do we have free speech or not?
1568   just_passing_through   ignore (7)   2021 Mar 28, 5:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Refugee my ass.


He's kind of scrawny. I wonder why none of those guys was able to stop him? He had a knife yeah, but 5 on 1.
1569   gabbar   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 30, 3:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

In killing terrorists, you will only kill the worker bees. The queen bees are the preachers, who teach a deviant form of Islam in schools and Islamic centers, who capture and twist the minds of the young. - Lee Kuan Yew, Prime Minister of Singapore
Source: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/lee-kuan-yew-on-islamic-terrorists/
1570   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 30, 8:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I agree, except that it's not a "deviant" form of Islam at all which teaches murder. It's pure original Islam exactly as Mohammed lived and taught it.

ISIS and the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia are one and the same, and they are correct in their study of Islam and its teachings. Can you find any contradiction between the Koran and Hadith and the actions of the terrorists?

The ultimate problem is the US military guarantee to defend the Islamic Dictatorship of Saudi Arabia no matter who they kill.
1571   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Mar 30, 9:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Do we have the right to give our opinion of Islam or not?


New Woke Tactic: Use "Behavior" instead of "Opinion" or "Speech". That was it sounds less "Censorship"
1572   just_passing_through   ignore (7)   2021 Mar 30, 9:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
I agree, except that it's not a "deviant" form of Islam at all which teaches murder. It's pure original Islam exactly as Mohammed lived and taught it.


This clip (sorry its screwyoutube) describes a European sneaking into Mecca 500 years ago for the first time. He knew he was risking his life and lied his way through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnSUrHO8INw

The way that last guy sounds who took him into his house. Just as crazy ass islamofuck as we hear of today, you're right Pat.

Most of those videos are quite complementary of the culture being visited. First Japanese in Portugal. First Roman in China. Not this one. Well, yes, the city is pretty or whatever.
1574   Rin   ignore (8)   2021 Apr 14, 3:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

gabbar says
The queen bees are the preachers


Nearly a century ago, the founder of modern Turkey (post-Ottoman Empire), Ataturk, created a secular state, eliminating the Sultanate and limiting the power of clerics.

For some time, it appeared that he was almost on the verge of reforming an Islamic majority country, into a modern republic where all religions were equal under the law and the whole WWI sidelining (and genocide) of Turkish Christians, Greeks, Armenians, etc, would come to an end.

Well, in recent times, Erdogan came in and unleashed all those clerics (from preaching quietly) and Turkey's gone back nearly a full century. Ataturk's experiment, while noble and forward thinking, was a failure. The reason for that is that Islam, as a religion, can't be reformed.

It's based around the conquests of Mohammed, within the Saudi Arabian peninsula and thus, have its origins as a story of being an outcast and seeking war and retribution as a way of making things right. If anything, the story encapsulated in the Koran is that of an angry channeller/mystic, who took the way of the sword than in finding peace. In other words, this was not the story of Lao Tzu or the Buddha. The Rashidun Caliphate, Mohammed's successor Abu Bakr along with Khalid Ibin Walid and Umar, invaded both the Persian and Byzantine Empires, conquering much of the near east, making many ppl convert under pressure.

Centuries later, another Islamist, but of Turkic-Mongolian ethnicity, Timur, arose from Central Asia, called himself the 'Sword of Islam', not too unlike his Arabian predecessors and in effect, eliminated Nestorial Christianity, Buddhism, and Zoroastrianism from the region forever. His death count was in the millions, the Joseph Stalin of the middle ages.

So the above is Islam in a nutshell, a religion founded and perpetuated by psychopathic Imams and/or Warlords, usually both.
1575   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 14, 5:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.themideastbeast.com/saudi-arabia-celebrates-pride-month-by-hanging-gays-with-rainbow-noose/

Calling it a momentous step towards recognition of the LGBTQ+ community, Saudi Arabia announced that all homosexuals executed during pride month would be hung from a rainbow noose or beheaded with a rainbow-colored ax.

Though human rights activists said much further process remains necessary, the announcement marks a major step forward for gay equality in the kingdom.
1576   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 22, 10:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9500539/Man-NYC-subway-pipe-bomb-fizzled-gets-life-prison.html

A Bangladeshi immigrant convicted of setting off a pipe bomb strapped to his chest during rush hour in New York City's Times Square subway station in 2017 has been sentenced to life in prison.

Akayed Ullah, 31, was sentenced in Manhattan federal court on Thursday after a judge slammed his crime as a 'barbaric and heinous' plot to kill as many people as he could.

He had detonated his homemade pipe bomb during rush hour in New York City's busiest subway station on December 11, 2017.

The bomb materials had come from a nearby construction site where Ullah worked as an electrician.

Ullah, who is married and has a 3-year-old son, largely failed when the bomb attached to his chest barely exploded and left him with severe burns and injuries.

No one died but four other people were injured in the explosion.


Sad that taxpayers will be paying for him for the rest of his life.
1577   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 22, 11:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A terrorist, who admitted to helping to plan bombings that resulted in the deaths of over 200 people, was released from prison because of Covid.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55275997

With a left wing judge, this guy will be out in 2-3 years for good behavior.
1578   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 22, 12:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Misc says
A terrorist, who admitted to helping to plan bombings that resulted in the deaths of over 200 people, was released from prison because of Covid.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55275997

With a left wing judge, this guy will be out in 2-3 years for good behavior.

This judge must be thrown into prison.
1579   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 22, 12:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Misc says
A terrorist, who admitted to helping to plan bombings that resulted in the deaths of over 200 people, was released from prison because of Covid.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55275997

With a left wing judge, this guy will be out in 2-3 years for good behavior.


Un-fucking-believable how stupid europeans are when it comes to muslim terrorists.....I have seen/heard those stories before from Germany. Release the guy until he slaughteres another victim. Just be happy that we dont have mass immigration from the fuckin middle east.
1580   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 22, 1:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Blue says
Misc says
A terrorist, who admitted to helping to plan bombings that resulted in the deaths of over 200 people, was released from prison because of Covid.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55275997

With a left wing judge, this guy will be out in 2-3 years for good behavior.

This judge must be thrown into prison.


Don't you realize yet, that our government is colluding with terrorists?

Look, intelligence agencies murdered Seth Rich - do you think if they have a fuck about the welfare of citizens this guy wouldn't mysteriously end up dead? Poisoning him is simple, random stabbing is easy.

The western governments ARE the terrorists.

You are hitting cognitive dissonance in thinking our governments don't encourage terrorism. Why do you think nobody in Antifa and BLM ever seem to go to prison? The leader of BLM is a corrupt scumbag that has 4 luxury homes and that organization has been looting and murdering for 9 months. She's a terrorist.
1581   farmer2021   ignore (10)   2021 Apr 22, 1:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bitcoin says
Misc says
A terrorist, who admitted to helping to plan bombings that resulted in the deaths of over 200 people, was released from prison because of Covid.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55275997

With a left wing judge, this guy will be out in 2-3 years for good behavior.


Un-fucking-believable how stupid europeans are when it comes to muslim terrorists.....I have seen/heard those stories before from Germany. Release the guy until he slaughteres another victim. Just be happy that we dont have mass immigration from the fuckin middle east.


Does west have death wish?
1582   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 22, 1:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
The western governments ARE the terrorists.

You are hitting cognitive dissonance in thinking our governments don't encourage terrorism. Why do you think nobody in Antifa and BLM ever seem to go to prison? The leader of BLM is a corrupt scumbag that has 4 luxury homes and that organization has been looting and murdering for 9 months. She's a terrorist.


Yes, the leaders of BLM/Antifa/socialist parties are scammers and you can call them terrorists. Yes, the US fueled issues in the ME through some of the military actions.
But, islamic terrorism is against anyone that does not want to convert to islam. That's a real threat in Europe and they kill thousands of europeans (non-muslims). Hope we dont get a high influx of muslims to this beautiful country.....you cant really fix that either....they will always hate us because we are not muslims.
1583   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 22, 2:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

@Bitcoin ... uhhhhh....that was a US judge that let terrorist go free
1584   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 22, 2:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bitcoin says
they will always hate us because we are not muslims.

I think Islam is shit. But we also poke the beehive as much or more than they do. They'll just kill themselves if we get out of the way.
1585   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 22, 2:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Misc says
@Bitcoin ... uhhhhh....that was a US judge that let terrorist go free


thanks...even more shocking....i dont mind hanging muslim terrorists....why spend tax payer money on housing them in jail and feeding them?
Kill em.
1586   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 22, 2:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Bitcoin says
they will always hate us because we are not muslims.

I think Islam is shit. But we also poke the beehive as much or more than they do. They'll just kill themselves if we get out of the way.


as long as we dont let them in here, yes. If we let them in, we are fucked. See Europe.
1587   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 22, 2:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bitcoin says
WookieMan says
Bitcoin says
they will always hate us because we are not muslims.

I think Islam is shit. But we also poke the beehive as much or more than they do. They'll just kill themselves if we get out of the way.


as long as we dont let them in here, yes. If we let them in, we are fucked. See Europe.

I'd agree. Left to their own devices, muslims will just kill themselves anyway. I don't want that toxicity here either.
1588   Rin   ignore (8)   2021 Apr 22, 3:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Bangladeshi immigrant


The saddest part of this story is that many Americans will think he's just an Indian guy when it's clear that no Hindu nor Sikh would plant a bomb, stateside, for the sake of jihad.

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